UK General Election Debate! My take!

Sadly, maybe, I missed David Cameron's part in the debate...


Completely slipped my mind that the Debate was tonight.




However I saw Ed Miliband...
& I was quite impressed.



Didn't back down when they asked abut his brother...

Rightly so, even brothers are not cloned in the mind to think the Country should be run the same way as each other...
He stood strong under such pressure, and actually did well answer wise saying it was time to move away from New Labour...



Said he would not go for a pint with Cameron, I'll buy him one for that...



Admitted the past mistakes of the Labour party instead of glossing over them...


Dealt with the obnoxious Jeremy Paxman quite well too imo.

Was called wimpish (paraphrasing)...
Vehemently stood by his decision to battle Energy Companies, Bankers, Murdoch...
& Cameron and Obama on an invasion of Syria...
Doesn't get more steadfast than that imo...
For a politician anyways


Got until the 20th of April to register my vote...
Still torn on that...


But if I do, it'll be a Labour vote.

Screw an SNP coalition, I love my Scottish roots...
But the SNP are not my cup of tea...

Screw another 5 years of Cameron...
I'd rather move...

Screw any coalition with UKIP...
I'd rather move even further...

The Greens are a wasted vote for a half hearted operation imo...

& the Lib Dems...
Eurgh... They slept with the Tories and wanted to Invade Syria...
Yuck...
All their credibility with me that grew as I got older just disappeared in this coalition...




I know, Miliband is "weak", and puts too much trust in Ed Balls...
The party itself is bigger than Ed Balls... & I while I agree he's not every bodies cup of tea...
I fully disagree that Miliband is a pushover...
And the overall policies are much closer to my heart than anyone else available...





This has been a party political broadcast for...
No-one...

Vote with your heart...
Don't tell others what to do...


Have a decent debate...



And any talking over each other...
Just imagine that Speaker Bercow is screaming "ORDEEERRR".



Have a good evening...

& good luck Britain, we may need it in the next decade!
Let's be Great again!!!

Question Time's audience is filling me in on David Cameron's part of the Debate....


Sounds like he was the same loser we all know him to be!

*shakes head*


Looks like you have fallen into a two party mentality like our American cousins.


Labor is very little better than conservatives.


Tony Blair and Gordon Browns reign almost destroyed the UK!

Do you realize how near to bankruptcy the UK came in 2010?

Do you know how close we can to ending up like Italy or worse Greece?

Blah blah blah NHS blah blah blah welfare.

You do realize that if the UK went bankrupt we would not have them full stop even in cut form?


Yes the torys have a mountain of there own problems.

But come on charlie your a bright lad! don't kid yourself Labor hardly have a track record of competence!

a reply to: crazyewok

In all fairness Brown & Blair are long gone...
Thank the Lord...



And we nearly went bankrupt because of every political party that sided with the banks...

Which was all except the parties who cannot change a thing and the Lib Dems, who can't change a thing...





My policies rely on the here and now, not 2008...

That was a one off that'll never happen again...
The risk was taken, it failed, and it's been detriment to growth...



But in all honesty, two party politics...

10 party politics...



Only one had a majority of my views as part of their campaign...



You're bright too, ty for the kind words...

But I don't compare Miliband's potential to Blair's...
And hindsight is something we don't have at the moment...


With Blair we would have destroyed Syria too...
With Cameron and Clegg we nearly did...


Miliband scores a goal in that circumstance imo.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

Let's be Great again!!!

Ha!
With what may I ask?
All the people of this country have left is debt and ...er...more debt!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: crazyewok

In all fairness Brown & Blair are long gone...
Thank the Lord...



And we nearly went bankrupt because of every political party that sided with the banks...

Which was all except the parties who cannot change a thing and the Lib Dems, who can't change a thing...





My policies rely on the here and now, not 2008...

That was a one off that'll never happen again...
The risk was taken, it failed, and it's been detriment to growth...



But in all honesty, two party politics...

10 party politics...



Only one had a majority of my views as part of their campaign...



You're bright too, ty for the kind words...

But I don't compare Miliband's potential to Blair's...
And hindsight is something we don't have at the moment...


With Blair we would have destroyed Syria too...
With Cameron and Clegg we nearly did...


Miliband scores a goal in that circumstance imo.

I wont vote for any career politician.

Nor will I vote for any Politician that was part of the old establishment.

I started a thread here on how I will vote.

I think on the grand scale milliband or Carmon is does not matter.


I will vote on my local level and who has done a good job in my constituency and that is a conservative mp. she pretty honest and upfront, voted against Syria and keeps the area running smoothly and she is not a private schoolgirl and part of the "establishment".

If I lived a few miles down the road I would likely be voting labor as the conservative mp there is a class A twat.

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

Let's be Great again!!!

Ha!
With what may I ask?
All the people of this country have left is debt and ...er...more debt!

Potential cousin...


Potential...


There isn't a better country in the world...
And potentially we are untouchable.



People are not flocking here because it's the best of a bad lot...
It's an amazing place, for the most part...




Debt, yeah, no doubt... Can't be denied...
As with every other nation on the Planet barring a few Tyrannical Oil hoarders.
So let's use the potential we have to scrap that with our youth and willing workers.

a reply to: crazyewok

That's all good at local elections...

But their budget depends on who becomes the Prime Minister in May...


Of course vote with your heart...

Or abstain of course...

But your local MP isn't running for PM.

Unless they are then go for it buddy!



Edit: LOL @ Class A Twat! 😂😂😂😂

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: crazyewok

That's all good at local elections...

But their budget depends on who becomes the Prime Minister in May...


Of course vote with your heart...

But your local MP isn't running for PM.

Unless they are then go for it buddy!



Edit: LOL @ Class A Twat! 😂😂😂😂

And my point is it does not matter who is PM.

They are both career politicians and part of the old establishment.

Both parties overall are not fit for purpose.


We need to root them out. Kick em out Tory and labour.

Infact anyone who was a mp before 2010 should get the boot.

If We do that we can transform both pArtys
And that can only be done at local level.


Find out who your local MP is?

Ignore the parts label
Are they public or private school?
Are they pre 2010?
Did they vote for Syria or any ME war?
We're they involved in expense scandals?
Are they supporters of Israel?
Have they covered for pedos?
Are they serial liers ?
Are they siciphantic supporters of there party and can't think for themselves?
Are they linked to big business ?


If yes I would serously consider voting them out.

That's the only way to root out corrupt MP,s

a reply to: crazyewok

I'll be doing some homework on those questions with my local representative.
I think it's a Labour MP atm...

I'm sure they won Hammersmith & Fulham last year.

Great idea.

I'll update the thread with the answers, maybe even the thread you shared.

Remember the PM is not like the US president.

They hold very little executive power. Its the MP around them that give them power.

The establishments wants you focusing on the dog and poney show of milliband verse camron.

That way you dont focus on were the real change happens which is in your local constitancy.

As long as they can keep everyones attension focused away then they can garentee that what ever party gets in they can fill the cabniet with old school politicians who play by the rules the banks set down.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: crazyewok

I'll be doing some homework on those questions with my local representative.
I think it's a Labour MP atm...

I'm sure they won Hammersmith & Fulham last year.

Great idea.

I'll update the thread with the answers, maybe even the thread you shared.

Great idea


Found out too how your constitancy weathered the reccesion compared to surrounding areas too.

Personally I will only vote in a general election, I never bother with the local elections, as to a certain extent it doesn't matter in my opinion.

For example, my kids school are refusing to subsidise their school trip on the grounds of insufficient funding, that funding was agreed at the national level, not local.

In fact most of the issues I have a vested interest stem from central government.

So it's voting year, not that I think my vote will count for much, sadly I predict the Tories will win another four years, they will let their perceived popularity go to their heads and cut deeper and harder than ever before...because that's what they do and for some inexplicable reason there are people out there who will vote for this!

Remember every vote for a minor party (Ukip et al) is one vote closer to Cameron's self-fulfilling prophecy that he will not stand for a third term.

The man needs to be put down!

originally posted by: solargeddon
Personally I will only vote in a general election, I never bother with the local elections, as to a certain extent it doesn't matter in my opinion.

For example, my kids school are refusing to subsidise their school trip on the grounds of insufficient funding, that funding was agreed at the national level, not local.

In fact most of the issues I have a vested interest stem from central government.

So it's voting year, not that I think my vote will count for much, sadly I predict the Tories will win another four years, they will let their perceived popularity go to their heads and cut deeper and harder than ever before...because that's what they do and for some inexplicable reason there are people out there who will vote for this!

Remember every vote for a minor party (Ukip et al) is one vote closer to Cameron's self-fulfilling prophecy that he will not stand for a third term.

The man needs to be put down!

You talk about cuts.

But at the end of the day the UK cannot deficiet spend.

If we continue to do this we go bust and then everything does not just get cut its goes completly.

The choice is deciding were the cuts land.


This means labour will have to make cuts or jack taxes up.

Unless they want to run us into tne ground like in Italy or worse greece.

a reply to: crazyewok
The cuts enacted by the Tory party were almost entirely ideologically driven and have held back economic recovery in the UK. The really sad thing is that the UK electorate is not getting a choice in this as Labour are commited to maintaining the cuts.
Also worth pointing out that at no point was the UK near bankruptcy, another Tory myth that has no basis in reality.

Mr. Spiers,

I want to formally ask you to stop hitting enter so many times between paragraphs. One or two lines are enough, and it would be great if you could keep the spacing uniform throughout a post.

Even though we seem to disagree frequently, I have a great deal of respect for you. Please don't take this as a personal attack or anything.

I missed Cameron's questions and was quite impressed with ed. On The whole he probably came out better, he handled paxman well. To be honest, Milliband has such a poor public image all he has to do was turn up and look like a human to improve his image. This is why cameron wanted to avoid the debates. The right wing press have done such a job on Milliband that simply to prove he isn't a plasticine character was all ed had to do.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
And we nearly went bankrupt because of every political party that sided with the banks...

No, we were nearly bankrupt because the Labour party had increased the national debt massively. We were spending more that there was income from tax. Crazy.

You may not like austerity, but that was the only way to rebalance the books.

I fear that Labour will go back to spend, spend, spend and sod the rest. The only honest party seems to be the Tories, as they are the only ones saying that the work to balance the books must continue. Fools get into debts.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: crazyewok
The cuts enacted by the Tory party were almost entirely ideologically driven and have held back economic recovery in the UK. The really sad thing is that the UK electorate is not getting a choice in this as Labour are commited to maintaining the cuts.
Also worth pointing out that at no point was the UK near bankruptcy, another Tory myth that has no basis in reality.

Sorry but we were deficient spending.

That is always a road to bankruptcy.
The UK might not have gone bankrupt the next year but 10 years down the road we would have.
In the meantime we would have ended up in economic limbo like Spain and Italy.


It simple effing mathematics.

Money going in has to equal or surpass money going out.

Our deceit in 2009 was something like 150 BILLION!


Any government that does not commit it self to reducing the deficit are IDIOTS.

And the only way to do that is via tax hikes or spending cuts!

a reply to: paraphi

Labour are certainly an untrustworthy bunch of self-serving eejits.

But the Tories honest?

I really never heard them specifically say that they would #### the vulnerable.