Breaking: Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

a reply to: BRDAKUT
According to reports the military aircarft arrived too late. If the pilot who crashed the plane had not done the descending in a normal peacful way, external alarm bells who'd have gone off almost immediatly

Why does everyone blindly take what these officials are saying as truth? It's all second hand info, truth is we will never know.

a reply to: FistOfFreedom

That is true but it also true for practically all of life, from immunisations, things taught in schools, medical advice etc.

I have a few suspicions about the incident though unless it can be proven it is speculation.

A few years ago when I was talking about a certain conspiracy my phone line was cut right outside my front door during the night. This morning after I wrote on the other thread that it was possibly deliberate when the information about the door filtered, when I went to make calls and work online this morning, my phone line had been cut again which meant no calls or internet until it was fixed, thankfully before lunchtime. On the day it happened some person had switched off the water supply from the outdoors meter. It all adds to the intuitive unease I have about the incident though I prefer not to speculate.

a reply to: theMediator

And in addition this co-pilot was addicted to sport. His social environment denote him as friendly and funny person. Does a depressed and psychopathic person react like this?

Here is something fishy.

a reply to: Brucee

I suffered from depression for years. If you asked anyone that knew me then, they would tell you that I was quite happy and well adjusted. Most people that have depression hide it, some incredibly successfully.

originally posted by: Brucee
a reply to: theMediator

And in addition this co-pilot was addicted to sport. His social environment denote him as friendly and funny person. Does a depressed and psychopathic person react like this?

Here is something fishy.

The fact that he was breathing normally up until the very impact tells me that he was asleep. Nobody, however determined, would remain entirely silent and breathe calmly when you see an impact, with you in the front seat, about to happen.

That, or he was one of those determined, deeply religious, hardcore German Lutheran bible-thumpers (there's a strong element of irony in here).

a reply to: Zaphod58

I'm personally very adept at hiding suicidal ideation and depression. Frighteningly so, if I look at this situation and think of myself at my worst. I personally wouldn't/couldn't do something like this, but I have rehearsed scenarios, played luck-based games of chicken with myself, and hidden all of it under sheer force of personality and pretending everything was fine. That was 10 years ago and I'm no longer hiding. I learned to conceal my feelings as a child and it became instinct.

Full disclosure there, don't hate on me.

For "normal" folks - think of times you've pretended to be happy and magnify one thousands of times.

Also, many psychopaths are able to project very happy and well-adjusted exteriors in spite of what may be happening in their minds.

People can be EXCELLENT liars, if only about certain things.

a reply to: FireflyStars

It is instinct. I did similar things myself. A person that's dealt with it for years can hide it from anyone, even people that are close to them.

a reply to: FireflyStars

I see absolutely NO reason why anyone should 'hate on you' for that post.
Thanks for sharing it.
A star on that post.

a reply to: butcherguy

Thank you. It's still scary to hold up the torch, I cannot imagine what it is like for a psychopath, which is a scary word to us - but they are born naturally and created by us.

I am sad this happened, but I can't hate him for what he did without knowing why. That's why we have a plea option for insanity.

I wanted to add - If he was psychopathic or suffered from another mental disorder, he should NOT have been flying a plane and I'm not condoning it.

He will go down in infamy as a mass-murderer. Pedophiles shouldn't run kindergartens and psychopaths shouldn't fly planes. We hate these people, why would they step forward and ask for help...? Many of them never act on their thoughts, just as mothers with postpartum depression do not kill their children.

Alcoholism and drug use went through similar phases of acceptance. Those are blameless, though. A substance creates the problem, therefore the human being is not responsible. We have a hard time accepting we're flawed and need assistance overcoming it. If it's not visible, not a pandemic, it will be swept under the rug, or sensationalized.

He killed those people. I believe he had suicidal tunnel vision, though many things could have caused it.

This IS a problem. It's the same reason our jails are overcrowded... It will probably always be a problem. But if we fight mental illness as children grow up, instead of blaming vaccines, it'd pretty much solve every problem, ever. Blame and shame are ultimately at fault.

a reply to: jimmyx

That's part of what I was thinking in my first post. Today's why looking through the passenger list is important.

originally posted by: Iamnotadoctor
a reply to: TheGreazel
Wow. They were dumb. Smh.

Thank you for your amazing compliment have a great day!

a reply to: FireflyStars

A psychopathic personality is going to hide it as well as or better than a person with depression. My mother was a psych nurse. She had patients that had psychopathic tendencies tatty she said if you met them on the street, you'd say they were as nice as could be.

Didn't go through all the pages, so apologies if someone mentioned this already.

I just overhead a coworker talking about this.

Something along the lines that the black box recording was so sensitive that it caught the heartbeat of the pilot locked up in question.

So this is just very very strange.

Obviously, if the guy was committing suicide, having a stroke, heart attack, or whatever illness it maybe, wouldn't that elevate the heart rate to very very fast speeds?

Interesting to hear that his heart rate was normal but just wouldn't open the door.

Can anyone verify a source that claims the pilots' heartbeat was recorded?

I mean, if he's just sitting there, not responding to the knocks, sounds awfully like a suicide mission to me.

a reply to: truthseeker84

It caught his breathing, not his heartbeat. They're not that sensitive.

a reply to: neoholographic

Is it just me or anything that immediately looks out of place has to be a damn act of terrorism??

I've noticed that everytime there is a major catastrophic event the politicians always seem to find a way to make it look like a terrorist act and as a result they end up being re-elected.

Sometimes, more times than one would wish, a plane crash is nothing more than just a plane crash.... Human error has become a clever politician's way to become re-elected.

Undesirable, and yet elected by some of us, politicians rush into conclusions assuming that it was a terrorist act in the hopes we'd buy it and perpetuate their agenda.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: truthseeker84

It caught his breathing, not his heartbeat. They're not that sensitive.

Do you have a source link for that? Anyway, that's great to know.

So they recorded his breathing. I don't think it was erratic or something, so I don't think he had a heart attack or stroke. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

I don't think he fell sleep either, because the recording supposedly caught the co-pilot knocking on the door so hard that it seemed as if he tries to knock it down.

a reply to: truthseeker84

He said the voice recorder showed that the co-pilot had been breathing until before the moment of impact, suggesting that he was conscious and deliberate in bringing the plane down and killing 144 passengers and five other crew members on Tuesday.

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