Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

originally posted by: Kryties
Basically all I am seeing in this thread is a bunch of hard-asses moaning about one of their soldiers, who woke up on the battlefield and decided enough was enough and that he was fighting a war that was wrong, getting to come home and face a trial for desertion. Apparently he deserves to die in horrible ways, according to many posters on this thread, without a trial and because he "dared" to have an individual thought.

It's disgusting, hypocritical garbage that I am reading. Why, however, am I not surprised?

the real irony is they're judging bergahl on the basis of what the MSM and the BIG.GOV tells them
known and proven liars and worse.

***SNIP***

this is nothing but the usual matador tactics:
a red rag is being waved
and the bovines can't help but rush at it...
and the sword lying in wait hidden behind it

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: macman

Yes reduced rights, but they still have them.

Never disagreed with you on that.

Now who is splitting hairs.


Rights are reduced because the UCMJ does in fact supersede Rights.

originally posted by: beezzer
People should keep in mind that this, while unusual, is probably not that uncommon.

Bergdahl only is in the spotlight because Obama put him there.

Levenworth is full of Bergdahls.

Leavenworth is not full of men who actively and successfully attempted to free leaders of terrorist organizations..

hell if I ever got caught out (accidentally) by the bad guys.. just leave me to die.. my life, no life is worth such a cost.. and I will tell you now no one should do anything to free terrorists to save my life..

and for those who walk right up into enemy hands IN ORDER to aid and abet those terrorist organizations instead of their own damn country they can rot in hell in the bed they made for themselves...

originally posted by: OpinionatedB

originally posted by: beezzer
People should keep in mind that this, while unusual, is probably not that uncommon.

Bergdahl only is in the spotlight because Obama put him there.

Levenworth is full of Bergdahls.

Leavenworth is not full of men who actively and successfully attempted to free leaders of terrorist organizations..

hell if I ever got caught out (accidentally) by the bad guys.. just leave me to die.. my life, no life is worth such a cost.. and I will tell you now no one should do anything to free terrorists to save my life..

and for those who walk right up into enemy hands IN ORDER to aid and abet those terrorist organizations instead of their own damn country they can rot in hell in the bed they made for themselves...

In addition, good men died looking for this jerk.

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: beezzer
*gads*

I hate doing this, because it might appear like I'm defending Obama, I'll need a shower after this post but here goes. . . .


How many times did we swap traitors and typical scum for soviets during the cold war?

I'm guessing alot more than Bergdahl and the 5 butt-clowns from tally-ban.

(running to the shower. . . eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee)

We didn't strut around in front of the cameras and have press conferences with their parents and proclaim them to be honorable soldiers who served with distinction did we?

Cause those vermin Obama and Rice did that.

Point taken. Obama is an idiot. Not going to argue that point one bit. But the fact remains that we did do this quite a bit. Ask any old fart.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB

originally posted by: beezzer
People should keep in mind that this, while unusual, is probably not that uncommon.

Bergdahl only is in the spotlight because Obama put him there.

Levenworth is full of Bergdahls.

Leavenworth is not full of men who actively and successfully attempted to free leaders of terrorist organizations..

hell if I ever got caught out (accidentally) by the bad guys.. just leave me to die.. my life, no life is worth such a cost.. and I will tell you now no one should do anything to free terrorists to save my life..

and for those who walk right up into enemy hands IN ORDER to aid and abet those terrorist organizations instead of their own damn country they can rot in hell in the bed they made for themselves...

I'm not arguing the right or the wrong of the act.

It was disgusting.

I agree with everything you state.

But it did happen alot. With all types.

a reply to: beezzer

we need to stop - absolutely and 100% stop - negotiating with terrorists. be merciful if possible and drop a bomb if we think we know the location of hostages, but the fact is that when we negotiate our men and women become worth something, it's a price of their heads. Its unacceptable to negotiate because by doing so we endanger Americans.

plus, by negotiating we allow terrorist sympathizers such as Berghdahl to infiltrate our ranks in order to aid and abet the enemy as we saw.. if we stopped negotiating that would at least be one less way to commit treason against this country

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: beezzer

we need to stop - absolutely and 100% stop - negotiating with terrorists. be merciful if possible and drop a bomb if we think we know the location of hostages, but the fact is that when we negotiate our men and women become worth something, it's a price of their heads. Its unacceptable to negotiate because by doing so we endanger Americans.

plus, by negotiating we allow terrorist sympathizers such as Berghdahl to infiltrate our ranks in order to aid and abet the enemy as we saw.. if we stopped negotiating that would at least be one less way to commit treason against this country

I agree. There are so many things that we SHOULD DO, but don't.

Sometimes I do believe the talk that hate is perpetuated on all sides because people just can't live in peace.

OK, haven't posted in a while...here goes...

I originally believed the Obama administration would force an exoneration. Sadly, I was wrong, but i knew that would happen - it had to be for political reasons. The argument against Bergdahl was too strong (thankfully!)

My 2 cents....

I believe Berdahl's actions, while reprehensible, were based on exactly what I believe...which goes against everything most Americans believe. The war in Afghanistan was - and is - futile...ask the Russians, the British, or the Huns, or Alexander...or anyone else who tried to invade Afghanistan.

Turning to modern times, the only reason we are fighting against a bunch of primitive cavemen with cell phones is because we brought it on ourselves. We were the ones, vis a vis the neo-cons who decided that it was time to conquer SW Asia. What an idiotic move. Now, we are paying the price with an administration that is not only ineffective, but completely oblivious of the ramifications of its actions. Obama is leading us into oblivion with his State Department approach of talking for hours and saying nothing, in the hopes that it will placate everyone.

Bergdahl deserves his punishment, although I'm sure it will be reduced as a result of political pressure.

Now, let's review history a bit and remember that the good ol' USA is not the ruler of the universe. We must move on and deal with cultures as they are supposed to be dealt with....from the perspective that we are all human beings occupying a piece of # world that we call home. There is no need for the amount of war we are suffering. There is no need for the average person to blindly follow a set of rules dictated by the few. Remember why we are on this planet - whatever you believe.

"The future is too good to waste on lies and life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong."

I hope Bergdahl spends the rest of his days contemplating his actions in jail. I sincerely hope Obama's regime wakes up to their idiocy of trading 5 (I repeat FIVE) Taliban F****ers for his life. But most of all, I hope that everyone else can see through the BS we've all been put through and begin to make decisions base on morality, decency, humility and the perseverance of life.

If we lose that, we lose everything...

a reply to: beezzer

I agree with you - just trying to ease the slime factor a little

originally posted by: beezzer
Prediction right now. . .

Obama heard about Bergdahl's desertion on the news. Never heard about it before.

Fox news!! There I edited it for ya! Im surprised Obama even let them charge him with desertion beings how he is commander n chief.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: macman

The point is that the UCMJ can in no way trump the bill of rights.
We all know the constitution is the highest form of law in the USA, nothing is above it
So yes, by the letter of the law they do have their free speech but we all know that isn't how it goes.

Military members absolutely have the same rights as citizens when push comes to shove.

Actually no, they don't.

Congress was given the power to enact specific laws pertaining to the conduct and discipline of land and naval forces, by the Constitution.

The Framers recognized the need for a stricter set of laws, as well as more draconian enforcement and punishment for the military.

That's why you can still be sentenced to reduced rations in the military, and that's even without a court martial.

a reply to: Excallibacca

Beau Birddog is the poster boy of the Obama Era.

I bet he's even transsexual.

I think he should be executed.

originally posted by: Excallibacca

Eugene Fidell, Bergdahl’s attorney, told The Washington Post that his client was handed a charge sheet on Tuesday. Army officials announced they will provide an update in his case at 3:30 p.m. at Fort Bragg, N.C., but declined to discuss new developments ahead of the news conference.

Bowe Bergdahl, once missing U.S. soldier, charged with desertion

Without trying to start a fight, I can just say it's about time they decided what to do with this guy. Are you happy with the charges? I'm sure some will feel it's not quite enough.

In addition to Desertion and Misbehavior before the Enemy, he needs to be charged with murder for all six service members who died trying to get his sorry ass back. Then they need to line him up against the wall and shoot him.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: macman

Answering a question with a question.
Fantastic.

Does the UCMJ supersede the Constitution?
Simple question.
I have no problem with your reduced rights angle that you are pushing.
But at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, a US citizen is covered by the bill of rights.

Now again, lets keep this in context of how this started.

This man had the right to a trial, by both sets of laws, he is now getting that and once convicted we can call him a guilty man.

So let's see, by your playing around in the gray area that means all that nonsense libs drivel about Bush being a war criminal are unfounded. He was never found guilty so he must not have done any wrong while he was Prez. Got it. I guess Hitler wasn't truly guilty of slaughtering the Jews either because he had no trial. Benjamin Netenyahu hasn't committed any war crimes because he hasn't been convicted either I guess. I guess we will never know for sure if Lee Harvey Oswald ever shot John F. Kennedy because he didn't make it to trial. I guess those cops never truly beat Rodney King ever since they were acquitted of all charges.

originally posted by: Kryties
Basically all I am seeing in this thread is a bunch of hard-asses moaning about one of their soldiers, who woke up on the battlefield and decided enough was enough and that he was fighting a war that was wrong, getting to come home and face a trial for desertion. Apparently he deserves to die in horrible ways, according to many posters on this thread, without a trial and because he "dared" to have an individual thought.

It's disgusting, hypocritical garbage that I am reading. Why, however, am I not surprised?

Smdh* I don't know what the administration was thinking swapping him out for not 1, but 5 terrorists! There were so many indications that this dude was bad news.