Scientists at Large Hadron Collider hope to make contact with PARALLEL UNIVERSE in days

a reply to: lagnar

Oh come on! Titor was a very obvious (and bad!) hoax.

This act will just open the gates of hell, and not a new-age non-sense parallel universe.
It's a trick, careful.
Some references were mentioned about that act in ancient books, mentioning that based on my own memory - hoping I didn't loose it yet since I moved to the Middle-East.

originally posted by: laughingdog
Glad I could entertain you, look, science is just a tool, and I don't worship it.

All I did was express my opinion. You are still allowed to express your opinion on this site?

I know enough science to understand it's dangers.

Sure you can express an opinion, but not all opinions are born out of logic and knowledge, and since you understand science and the dangers, maybe you might want to, actually understand what has been said by many many people and maybe learn something.

It is my opinion that people who believe in this 'danger' are absolutely wrong

Just great! I suppose this will mean even more aliens coming across the borders and competing for our jobs...and these dudes are like, from another dimension or something. Either that or you'll see American companies setting up their base of operation in the other dimensions to get even more unheard of tax breaks. It all comes down to less jobs to further tank our economy. Dang you Cern and your stupid collider! Just shut it off, already.

originally posted by: RedAmnesia
This act will just open the gates of hell, and not a new-age non-sense parallel universe.
It's a trick, careful.
Some references were mentioned about that act in ancient books, mentioning that based on my own memory - hoping I didn't loose it yet since I moved to the Middle-East.

I pray you're right.

Oh, I almost forgot, who is John Titor?

originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: johnwick

Here comes another one.....you stated how much power it consumes , not how much energy is released. As they have only smashed photons together (and not nearly as many as were released), the energy output is tiny.

Also, the mosquito comparison really only related to the kinetic energy of the particles in the beam. The energy released by the evaporation of generated particles, the magnetic containment fields and the magnetic acceleration fields are not part of this particular equation. The actual physical proton/proton collision energy and the kinetic energy of those remaining in the beam are all that apply.

originally posted by: Eunuchorn


Oh, I almost forgot, who is John Titor?

John Galt's second cousin.

originally posted by: ObjectZero
a reply to: BlueMule

Thanks, for looking in to it. Saves me a couple hours of making sure. Now I can just be worried and hopeful at the same time. While I'm all for great leaps in science, this seems a little risky. They call it a "mini Black hole" But in all truth we have no clue what a black hole core size is really. They could all be at the scale we're about to try and make. We don't know cause anything we throw at them never comes back. I guess we can try and measure it and call it a mini based on it's gravity. But this number is still a guess since we still have no real data on them.

If they pull it off and do make on, and it does not blow up in all our faces. We'll be looking at data we couldn't even fathom having be for. It could shepard our race in to space. That is of course nothing goes wrong.

Ok, hang on, let me drag this dead horse out of the barn and beat it some more...
'Mini' black holes would be, indeed, 'mini' because of the incredibly minute amount of mass they would be composed of. Outside of extreme proximity to the 'event horizon' , or beyond it, a black hole acts like any other gravitationally attractive body. From the surface of the singularity out to infinity, it's gravitational force decreases at the same inverse square rate as does every planet or star's. Therefore we can estimate its mass based on the force its gravity exerts on other objects in its vicinity.
The truly strange physics do not begin until the point at which even the most energetic photons cannot escape it's gravitational pull.
For example, if the entire mass of the sun were to collapse into a black hole right this instant, very little would change with regards to the orbital dynamics of the solar system. This doesn't mean if a black hole the size (volume) of the sun appeared. That would mean the singularity's mass was astronomically larger, and thus it's gravitational force would be as well.
The potential quantum-scale singularities of the LHC collisions would still have a near negligible total gravity. The velocities of all the other particles generated in the collision would prevent them from succumbing to that attraction. Also, most collision-generated particles have the additional benefit of ~microsecond lifetimes and less once freed from their usual metastable states. So, were a singularity to be borne of a collision event (and there have been some observations indicating that it's already occurred), the factors involved in its creation preclude it from influencing or disrupting anything else before it fizzles away into history.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
I'd wish they open a portal and offer us a free ride! Enough with earth's madness already!

Or at least maintain the portal clearly enough to stream data back and forth. I'm dying to check out some Nth dimensional Netflix.

originally posted by: Variable
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I sure am glad they discovered the higgs boson, makes my life a lot better. Well done LHC!

lol that was sarcastic, right?

Of course the best part of all of this is that if things do go cataclysmically wrong, nobody will be around to say 'I told you so'.

originally posted by: laughingdog

originally posted by: ErosA433

originally posted by: laughingdog
a reply to: Cobaltic1978 So many things can go wrong, dismantle it, sell the parts, recoup a fraction. Scientist need to wait until mankind is a bit more advanced and fully understand what they are dealing with.

This doesn't sit well with me. I have worried about this infernal contraption for sometime.

I guess they'll still throw the switch. Regardless.

Maybe you, and people with the same opinion should actually do some more science, and understand... you know... actually what is happening. We get showered every second of every day with particles hitting our atmosphere at energies ranging from the few GeV right out to EeV and more in other words, far in excess of what the LHC can do, and the physics of what is going on in those interactions is EXACTLY THE SAME. The Earth, and indeed every other planet with an atmosphere still exist after billions of years, no blackholes have destroyed them.

The whole blackhole creation thing started because a biologist took a passing interest in random papers from different fields of science... great right? Well yes and no. Yes because its good to know more, but NO because this paper was a random string theory paper. Now I am a particle physicist (Experimental rather than theoretical) and id say that string theory papers are very difficult to get through without a strong cup of tea/coffee, a day, and some backup reference material to read. So what this guy took away from this paper, was likely very little except... OMG black holes. Which rather than asking questions of physicists he wrote a sensationalist article to the media about turning on LEP (at CERN). And the whole black hole scare has been with us ever since.... LEP, Tevatron and now LHC.

You have worried about it for a while? Well that time was a waste really, why not worry about... the idiotic politics happening currently around the world. It should concern you more than what scientists are up to.

So please it is good to have an opinion, but clearly most of the people who share yours, quite clearly know nothing about the LHC or the physics going on there. BUT seem very confident in assuming scientists have the same 'clue' as you do and are somehow just there excitedly pressing buttons like it is a hollywood movie where all scientists are the 'Jurassic Park' style naive 'what can go wrong... OH NOOOOOOOO.... I never thought this would happen, I thought we could control it' types.... which you will also find is simply not the case.

*Rant over*

Glad I could entertain you, look, science is just a tool, and I don't worship it.

All I did was express my opinion. You are still allowed to express your opinion on this site?

I know enough science to understand it's dangers.

Knowing the possibility of danger is far from knowing the danger it's self. There is a perfectly viable danger that immediately after I post this, I could be killed by a meteorite originally blasted from the surface of Io 3 billion years ago. The probability of it actually happening, however, is low enough that spending my life's wages on the lottery would produce far more tangible results. Also, just knowing that there may be danger, without knowing it's potential nature or natural processes which mitigate it, is an alarmist viewpoint that will do nothing but raise your blood pressure. Were I to live my life in terror of the aforementioned meteor, it would be a wasted existence.
Please don't misunderstand me, I mean this as absolutely NO sort of attack on your intellect or beliefs. I'm just pointing out that being as informed as you can make yourself about these things tends to ease a lot of worries.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge

originally posted by: Zaphod58
As long as the guy in charge doesn't yell, "Hold my beer and watch this! " if he does, we're screwed.

LOL, While risky I really doubt any of those scientist have drank a beer in their life let alone have sex haha. Dr. Evil needs to have his LHC taken away from him before France is a black hole. They are going to unlock the bottomless pit and unleash a Demon horde before E.T. ever comes through rockin a goatee and a bud light.

I'd love to see the phenomena involved in making that prediction come to fruition.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge

originally posted by: laughingdog
a reply to: Cobaltic1978 So many things can go wrong, dismantle it, sell the parts, recoup a fraction. Scientist need to wait until mankind is a bit more advanced and fully understand what they are dealing with.

This doesn't sit well with me. I have worried about this infernal contraption for sometime.

I guess they'll still throw the switch. Regardless.

They would not spend this much money and waste the amount of manpower they have if they did not find the plans for this in an archeological dig somewhere. The thing is massive and what they are looking for is something very scary as no person in his right mind would try this on earth when it could open something they have no clue about. I do not buy the micro atom smashing deal, it has another purpose that they are not telling us.

I admit that it can be fun tossing out wild ideas about the hidden reasons behind this or that technology, but even a basic grasp of the science involved in the design and implementation of the LHC makes it obvious that it's exactly what it claims to be. From the CMS and ATLAS detectors to the cross section of the beam path, it is quite obviously designed and created to hurl "Large Hadrons" (read: protons) at each other at speeds approaching that of light, and then "Collide" them and analyze the results. Now, if the design didn't so obviously scream that this is the purpose, say, for instance, there was no discernable method of focusing the proton beams or detecting the results , but still utilized the incredible power consumption and electromagnetic infrastructure, I would shake my head and speculate right along with you.
But there's no mystery to it's purpose. The mystery lies in what it will eventually prove or disprove over its operating lifetime.

a reply to: Kandinsky that reminds me of an episode of the twilight zone where they showed the bickering and fighting of people on our planer, wars etc, or at least you thought it was till they kept panning out till what you thought was earth was a planet that was in a lab in a very big room.

I posted the following on ATS's Facebook thread....

Except that we're not contacting a parallel universe.. We're trying to make contact with one of the sub-dimensions within our own universe. We know that the visible universe exists in 3 spatial dimensions, and 1 temporal dimension. We also know that there are at least 7 other sub-dimensions which form the ultimate fabric of our universe. This experiment aims to break the boundary between our 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions and view one of the sub-dimensions (at random I might add..) If any Doomporn were to erupt from this, the most logical would be that we are trying to contact Heaven or Hell... Because that is the EXACT biblical parallel of what this experiment is... If heaven and hell exist, they exist in a sub-dimension in this universe, that's why we don't see Heaven or Hell. (I don't believe in this stuff, this is just the parallel that everyone is missing) So if Heaven and Hell exist in the sub-dimensions that we are trying to access, we can then conclude that CERN is trying to contact Hell (or Heaven).


As I stated above, I don't really believe this. It is important that we STOP thinking of this as trying to contact another universe, because that is NOT what is happening. We are exploring OUR OWN universe with this experiment. Very important in my mind, to make that distinction.

O REALLY? Just in time for April Fools Day? WOW what a coincidence!? NOT.
CERN took a dump on ON POSSIBLY 9 PAGES of hopes and dreams. Collapsed like a god damned unstable wave function!

Remember this maniacal post when they announce "we've reached the Xen dimension" & "we're sending in Gordon Freeman!"...

No, but exciting stuff it's not all for some APDay set up, cleverly disguised as a hot topic. But that wouldn't happen!

a reply to: Eunuchorn

Who is John Titor (without getting off the OP's topic too much)?

Well, If you are as interested in time travel, parallel universes or the possibility of a multi-verse as most of the scientific community on this planet (who were subsequently riveted to their computer desks by this "Bad Hoax"ter from Nov. 2000 to March 2001), you might be inclined to read his posts here: JohnTitor.com Even as just a VERY well thought out story with almost unfathomable eloquence and intellect from both us and him, you shouldn't be disappointed.

People seem to be stuck on his date discrepancies alone when discounting his predictions (thus stopping their violent, head-shaking denials), but personally, I think the reason for that was either the 1% divergence from his timeline (which he mentioned time and time again) that caused the dates to be wrong, or a reasoned but purposeful misinformation tactic employed by him to ensure that people of this timeline wouldn't knee-jerk, fly off the handle, take everything he said as gospel, and hunt him down, forcing his interaction with this timeline too great an impact, producing far more divergence than he wanted, or eventually harm him or his family living in this timeline. (i.e. he afforded enough doubt as to not have his family or his younger self dissected or taken too anomalously) As he said repeatedly, he didn't concern himself with being believed. And I think with good reason.

Anyway, this is where a large portion of us first heard of CERN and the LHC (back in the turn of the century), and most of us have been watching it intently, whether we admit it or not, simply because of how technical, logical and well-structured his posts were about what CERN was doing, and what they were to accidentally discover, while doing experiments such as the one in the Original Post, I might add.

There simply is no question of the parallels between his recollected timeline and ours, as they are too many to count. Has there been divergence, absolutely (especially within the dates of his predictions), but everything he mentioned STILL seems to be happening slowly but surely and almost one-at-a-time (though speeding up greatly). It very much feels like being a frog in a large pot of cold water on the stove, slowing coming to unconsciousness.

Looks like any CERN Doom porn can be delayed for a few days or even weeks. A short circuit in one of the many electromagnets is going to delay proceedings for a few days to possibly weeks due to difficulty of repairs - see article linked to below:
BBC News - LHC Restart: Short Circuit

Doorway opens up both ways!

You open it, better hope nothing is on the other side.

You open up a miniature black hole, in the middle of the Borg colony, what's gonna happen to us?

I mean...