No, You are NOT a Warrior/Operator/Revolutionary!

a reply to: projectvxn

I completely see your point. But it sounds like the point of view of the city boy, there are hillbillies in just about every state that would be able to handle theirselves well in a SHTF situation. Many have lived off the land longer, grown proficient with their firearms and know the terrain better than you everwould.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
All I see is a fomentation of an "us versus them" mentality. Its counter productive. Instead of hating or insulting these folks, perhaps it would be prudent to offer actual advice or practical experience? It does no good whatsoever to further the already vast gulf between civilians and military/ law enforcement. This is simply my opinion, however.

That's the thing. These people, and they are a particular kind of person, does not care about practical application, practical knowledge, and actually putting in work.

a reply to: projectvxn

Last December my heat pump went out and the guy they sent over had seen my gun safe in the garage and proceeded to talk tactical hypothesizing SHTF scenarios and telling me how he is teaching his 10-year-old how to shoot a 1911 in case someone breaks in while he isn't there.

I just wanted him to fix the damn heat pump and couldn't wait for him to leave. I am not all that interested in that stuff anymore, I lost sight in my right eye from an IED many years ago. I still like to shoot now and then retraining with my left eye, but I just feel like walking away when conversations turn to that sort of thing.

I like your rant.

a reply to: Greathouse

Oh I know that for a fact.

But again...as the preface of the post implies, this is targeted at the tacticool wannabes.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: projectvxn

So anyone who isn't ex military is a worthless piece of #? Nice...

Have you ever ran around in "full battle rattle" (100 lbs of gear) in the summer all say in live fire exercises?

After 5 hours we got a break, I opened my flak vest up to cool off, the heat from my chest hit me in the face and I puked.

At the time I ran 2 miles in 13 mins flat, every time.

Not the best but very very good by any standard.

I was in peak shape for over 90% of adult males.

I couldn't have been an operator if I had to.

I saw and trained with some of those guys.

Sure physically I was in the top 10% easy.

They were 3%ers....even when everyone around me would fall out, I had plenty more, when I was falling out, they still had a lot more.

If you haven't done it, you can not understand it.

There is no video no movie no book that can make it so, only doing it can give you the ability to understand.

a reply to: projectvxn

Growing up hunting with my old man he used to tell me "a new gun isn't gonna shoot them birds any better". I had a little Ithaca single shot 20 gauge that was all beat up and had gouges in the stock but he wasn't kidding, she shot true and I bought her myself for only $50.

Well moral of th story my dad began to push me at the end of summer to start putting on "that fall muscle" and I tell you what... It helped a lot. Just being alert and not exhausted improved my hunting ability %1000. We could trek to further swamps and get the birds all the weekend warriors were to afraid to dig out. After a couple years it was a common thing to head home early all limited out, with that little $50 dollar single shot.

Now im not trying to compare grouse hunting to combat but next to maybe elk or some other high mountain game it's pretty close. You walk in patrol lines and sweep across the woods. Barrel discipline is a must, you always have t be aware of where everyone else is. Obviously the birds don't shoot back but if you want them enough the adrenaline gets a little drip or 2 when they take off. Being able to focus enough not to shoot your buddy in the 2 seconds you have to shoot this exploding bird is something that is MUCH MUCH EASIER To do when your not exhausted and alert.

In the end being in good shape and having a problem solving oriented mindset without a single weapon makes you better then being armed with all the latest gear but are unable to use it. Weapons can be made/found... Brains/physical prowess cant be had at short notice.

a reply to: projectvxn

Well it seems that you have an intimate knowledge of all these people. I'll leave you to it then.

a reply to: projectvxn

I agree I was talking to one of those prepper types on day while looking at a bow for my brother and he was spouting off about this and that and we got on the topic of his fantastic prepper locker and all his guns. I asked him what his exit strategy was to leave the city, he didn't ever think about how he would leave. He working at a sporting good store couldn't tell me the most common round in my town, thats important to know when purchasing a weapon for shtf why? Well if your going to need ammo why not have a weapon where the ammo would be most abundant around here his 5.7 won't do him well in the long run. also if you cant carry it on your back and be mobile you don't need it.

a reply to: mindseye1609

Thank you for being among the few that get it.

Lots of people have lashed out. Many more will continue to curse my name for exposing the people who do the kinds of things I posted about.

It isn't about being a man. I know plenty of women that could well outperform these jokers. It isn't about the military, guns, or even the gear.

It's about the effort.

a reply to: johnwick

Precisely.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
All I see is a fomentation of an "us versus them" mentality. Its counter productive. Instead of hating or insulting these folks, perhaps it would be prudent to offer actual advice or practical experience? It does no good whatsoever to further the already vast gulf between civilians and military/ law enforcement. This is simply my opinion, however.

Militsry /civie gulf small...military civie/ LEO gulf is like the pacific.

LEO respects nothing but other LEOs or rich or politicians.

a reply to: carlosdanger

I didn't see you at sand hill when I was at Benning.

Probably because we weren't at Benning at the same time.

B 2-46 INF. Sand Hill.

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: projectvxn

I completely see your point. But it sounds like the point of view of the city boy, there are hillbillies in just about every state that would be able to handle theirselves well in a SHTF situation. Many have lived off the land longer, grown proficient with their firearms and know the terrain better than you everwould.

I do agree here.

My upbringing in the sticks taught me more about "making it" than the military.

I went in with a very proficient ability in small unit tactics marksmanship and work ethics attitude.

I was great at being a soldier, now if I could just be great at being a person IRL, that would help.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: carlosdanger

I didn't see you at sand hill when I was at Benning.

Probably because we weren't at Benning at the same time.

B 2-46 INF. Sand Hill.

I learned how to do "drive by shootings" there lol mobile operations in urban terrain you guys have some nice training facilities there. I remember one sgt asking my plt sgt why the hell are the Marines there

a reply to: projectvxn

I gotcha sorry if I misunderstood. Your more or less are addressing this to city boy survivalist and Peckerwood posers survivalist that moved to the country.

a reply to: Brotherman

I sure do miss Sand Hill.

Everyone is there now.

Basic for Armor got moved to Benning, and it is no longer a male only training facility.

I was the last group of all male Joes to go through.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: projectvxn

Last December my heat pump went out and the guy they sent over had seen my gun safe in the garage and proceeded to talk tactical hypothesizing SHTF scenarios and telling me how he is teaching his 10-year-old how to shoot a 1911 in case someone breaks in while he isn't there.

I just wanted him to fix the damn heat pump and couldn't wait for him to leave. I am not all that interested in that stuff anymore, I lost sight in my right eye from an IED many years ago. I still like to shoot now and then retraining with my left eye, but I just feel like walking away when conversations turn to that sort of thing.

I like your rant.

Dry to hear that!!!!

Have you tried to make muscle memory using the other eye?

It does take a lot of time and effort( so I am told, no personal experience here, but I was born left eye dominant right hand fire. I adapted early in life to using my right eye to shoot, I can qualify expert with either hand, I have in fact.) to do this in adult life.

a reply to: projectvxn

We trained there with you guys for not only joint ops but also because at the time Lejuene didn't have a "HEET" trainer yet, it was pretty awesome for me, my dad is a former Green Beret and it was nostalgic to be at a place I knew he was when he was my age to do the same thing, train for war. I was at his old command in Brag just passing through and got a pic for him damn near made the old timer cry. And BTW thanks for serving!