Afghan Mob Beats and Burns Woman

a reply to: beezzer

Afghanistan isn't a nation of laws quite like we are. I think they're more a loose confederation of tribes with an entity that purports to be a government.

a reply to: toktaylor

Except you are only brainwashing the children in another way.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

How many slave owners were Christian, NON

Those who practiced this were not Christian they were slave owners, Amazing Grace is a famous song written by a former slave ship captain who had a very close call with death and an experience, he became a Christian and became a leading abolitionist who campaigned for an end to slavery and it was because of him that Britain became the first imperial power to ban the practice and later even patrol the ocean's with her ship's even on occasion sinking American Slavers, Abraham Lincoln WAS a Christian and that is why he stood against slavery, there are not and never will be any Abraham Lincoln's in Islam as it is fully allowed in there law, Muhammad had a Christian as a Slave while it is fundamentally against Christian faith, the least shall be the greatest and the greatest shall be the least.

He also married a six year old child called Aisha and known as the Rose of Damascus, the oldest versions of the sura's (there are newer REVISED versions) recall how she brought her toy's with her and how all her hair had fallen out the next day (shock induced Trauma), he never touched her again until she was NINE when her hair began to grow back, there religion founded in the late seventh century also repeatedly blasphemes Christ even saying he killed a little boy for interrupting him while he wrote in the sand with his finger and denying he was crucified, yet were are the TRUE educated Christians calling for them to be struck dead or rampaging in a mob after them.

The time of the crusades nearly all the supposed Christians' were illiterate and had no knowledge of what was written in the bible or the new testament, the first crusade was called though after a young pope heard how Celjic turks were killing Christian pilgrims on the way to the holy land, the Celjic Turks were horse back nomad's and would slit the Christian pilgrims stomach open pulling there intestines out then nail them to a tree and whip the Christian around it so they ran in a circle until they dropped dead there intesting wrapped around he tree.

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

"A Great Many" or the Westboro Baptists who are a pitiful few, mostly from one family? I think you greatly exaggerate the numbers of protesters.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Oh, believe me, I see it here and I recognize the pattern. We are raising empty children who look to fill themselves. Materialism isn't enough for many and that leads to drugs (whether prescribed or illicit), sex or some great cause. And yes, we are seeing the trend toward radicalism with kids heading for ISIS.

I think I've remarked on this here in many threads before.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Not exactly socialist as most people think though. Christ wanted people to do it freely, of their own will. Their is no choice when someone (or the government) compels. You cannot institute a socialist paradise on earth through government fiat and force and think you have made a Christ-system. It must be something where all share what they have of their own free will. There is nothing like it on earth, not on a national level.

a reply to: ketsuko

It must be something where all share what they have of their own free will. There is nothing like it on earth, not on a national level.

Why is it that you think that? Or rather: Why do you think that?

WHY do you think "there is nothing like it on earth" when there clearly is?

And I don't mean 'what is your source for that statement' as if I want you to explain your premise, I mean why do you come to that conclusion and present it as though you think it is the truth?

(yes, there is "something like it on earth." But, it is in advanced societies like those in Scandinavia..Switzerland...Canada...etc. ...all of which you perhaps have not heard of or researched. Or, alternatively, in primitive societies that all share everything.)

a reply to: ketsuko

Christ wanted people to do it freely, of their own will. Their is no choice when someone (or the government) compels.

Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.

I can't imagine Jesus complaining about governments implementing his teachings on a grand scale, using" Caesar's" money.

a reply to: ketsuko

I will go with that, of there free will but the basis and idea's were there and it was not invented by Marx but date's back at least to Christ so I would call him the father of true socialism, the first church's were actually more like a Kibbutz with a communal wealth and each member receiving as they needed but all working for the common good, some even lived together especially when persecution started though most used House Church's which were simply that a house in which members met and broke bread discussing the good news.

Jesus recognized there were rich but just people and that is why he spoke about the eye of the needle though he also pointed out that it is easier for a camel to pass though the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.

So no earthly rich men in the church at that point, though later corruption led to selling salvation before Martin Luther ruined there little scam and as well as giving rise to the protestant branch's of the faith also actually caused a reformation inside the church but as we know the Vatican mafia are a hard stain to get rid of though many including reformist popes (who often died after very short reigns) have tried to fix that problem.

A true church is were there are believers regardless of denomination who are gathered in the name of Christ to listen to his word, to discuss it and to carry it out.

A few born again Christian churches are probably the only one's today that live up to this.

a reply to: beezzer

Is it against the law to burn a copy of the Koran?

If so, what is the punishment?

Would burning the Koran counts as desecration ? If so :

Respect for the written text of the Holy Quran is an important element of religious faith in Islam. Desecrating a copy of the Quran is punishable by imprisonment in some countries (life imprisonment in Pakistan, according to Article 295-B of the Penal Code) and has been punishable by death in Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan.[3][4]

Quran Desecration

Peace

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

no it doesn't forbid burning people alive, in fact it says to do exactly that to unbelievers.

Surely those who disbelieve in Our signs -- We shall certainly roast them at a Fire; as often as their skins are wholly burned, We shall give them in exchange other skins, that they may taste the chastisement. Surely God is All-mighty, All-wise.

but then again burning is one of the proper ways to destroy the quran when it can no longer be used or read in islam.

a reply to: Seed76

Thank you!

I appreciate the find.

It does, for me, put things into context.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It is what is uppermost in your heart that is most important. If you prize your wealth most, then you are in trouble. And it is difficult to have wealth and want to gain wealth and be willing to just walk away from it. Part of the drive that makes so many wealthy is an excess of greed, but there are also a few who have wealth who would give it up and do share it freely.

Some of the disciples were wealthy men, and Christ never asked them to give their wealth up. I think He trusted and knew, as indeed God knows all our hearts that they would give it up and walk away from it in a heartbeat if that was what was called for. And since they were following Christ and not at home with their wealth, I guess He knew them best.

And while I'm not going to go looking at the moment, there is also a bit of scripture where it's made clear that while we are to help those who need help, we are also told to work with our hands so that we need not be a burden to anybody. so the clear implication is that the community helps those who need it but ought not feel an obligation to support those who will not work as they do not need help like the unfortunate or the sick or the disabled would.

Hold in highest regard those who work hard, warn the idle and disruptive, encourage the weak, and be patient. It doesn't sound to me like the lazy are to be tolerated. So the idea of sitting on the couch playing video games while everyone else works to make up your portion isn't the Christian ideal.

originally posted by: skalla

originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO
a reply to: skalla

lol that is africa, a land of madness.

Surely you are not implying that we can discount the murderous activities of Boko Haram as being related to Islam as it all takes place in the whirling cauldron of instability that is much of Africa?

I think someone pointed out early that you can't count Africa because it a country of mad men. If life started there, it certainly hasn't moved on much.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I don't know what you want me to say, you either have to rewrite your OP to make it NOT sound like Christians are so great and get bashed over the head for nothing and to say Islam is NOT backward and sucks and instead say that ALL societies hide behind their given religious banners to commit atrocities.
or leave it.

*Shrugs, I can't change your thread my old friend, not can I change my interpretation of your wording. I still adore you regardless.

How about this:

You seem to perceive Islamic extremism as burning women alive and Christian extremism as not baking cakes. I fail to see how the two incidents are in any way comparable. But in your head there is no difference.

It's like saying that shop lifting a piece of candy is just as bad as murder.

You said that, not me.

I listed equivalent atrocities by Christians. Didn't mention cakes. Why would you pretend the recent Christian atrocities don't exist?

I can't stand any criminal maniacs in the name of religion, I don't care which ridiculous religion they stand by.

I can't believe you brought in the christian gay cakes debate and made a comparison to the murder of this woman, what is wrong with you?.... *shakes head at the sad sad stupidity of what you just said.

a reply to: LABTECH767

that last bit is not even correct, first off it's seljuk turks, second the first crusade happened at the request of byzantium who was being pushed out of asia minor by the turks and the reconquest bit was a secondary objective in the beginning.
in the end the crusades were probably what lost the christians the last bit of greece and anatolia and also ended the last remnants of the roman empire for good.

as for the intestine bit, that wasn't the turks who did that or even that time period it was revolutionaries in the phillipines who did that to american soldiers during our invasion and conquest the the islands in 1898 when we went to war with spain.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

You're the one who replied to the OP.

Otherwise you are trying to compare things that happened in over a hundred years in the past or hundreds of years (or more) with things that are going on right now.

You are comparing a dead Christianity, one of armored knights on horseback and medieval castles and feudal lords, to modern day Islam in Afghanistan. While the two cultures may exist at similar levels of advancement, one is long, long dead. It's modern descendants commit atrocities by refusing to bake cakes.

It's rather like trying to claim that whites should pay blacks reparations even though no one who was alive when the actual offense was committed is still alive.

That Christian church is long dead along with those Christians and the only people who refuse to let it rest are people like yourself who seem to think that the rest of us have forgotten our past and can't wait to start burning people at the stake again.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: LABTECH767

that last bit is not even correct, first off it's seljuk turks, second the first crusade happened at the request of byzantium who was being pushed out of asia minor by the turks and the reconquest bit was a secondary objective in the beginning.
in the end the crusades were probably what lost the christians the last bit of greece and anatolia and also ended the last remnants of the roman empire for good.

as for the intestine bit, that wasn't the turks who did that or even that time period it was revolutionaries in the phillipines who did that to american soldiers during our invasion and conquest the the islands in 1898 when we went to war with spain.

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“They destroy the altars, after having defiled them with their uncleanness. They circumcise the Christians, and the blood of the circumcision they either pour on the altars or pour into the vases of the baptismal font. When they wish to torture people by a base death, they perforate their navels, and dragging forth the extremity of the intestines, bind it to a stake; then with flogging they lead the victim around until the viscera having gushed forth the victim falls prostrate on the ground . . . What shall I say about the abominable rape of women? To speak of it is worse than to be silent. On whom therefore is the labor of avenging these wrongs and recovering this territory incumbent, if not upon you? . . . If you are conquered, you will have the glory of dying in the very same place as Jesus Christ, and God will never forget that he found you in the holy battalions . . . Soldiers of Hell, become soldiers of the living God![9]

a reply to: ketsuko

OK you obviously did NOT read my posts that negates your 'its ok 'cause there been nothing over a hundred a years ago' premise. Therefore bye bye.

There is one thing about all those male dominated, God wears pants religions that I can not get my brain around, and that is why women anywhere would proclaim their allegiance to them. Just weak minded I suppose.