Whether Or Not Homosexuality Is A Choice Is Irrelevant

a reply to: kaylaluv

Like a said, depends on the context of the study's abstract.... Exactly how they measured effectiveness.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Perhaps if you actually dealt in what others say rather than your own improvisations, your posts might make more sense.

Oh, and ...

Other viewpoints include that of Hans Eysenck, who believes that Freud set back the study of psychology and psychiatry "by something like fifty years or more", and that of Malcolm Macmillan, who concluded that "Freud's method is not capable of yielding objective data about mental processes". Morris Eagle states that it has been "demonstrated quite conclusively that because of the epistemologically contaminated status of clinical data derived from the clinical situation, such data have questionable probative value in the testing of psychoanalytic hypotheses". Richard Webster considers psychoanalysis perhaps the most complex and successful pseudoscience in history.

Allan Hobson believes that Freud, by rhetorically discrediting 19th century investigators of dreams such as Alfred Maury and the Marquis de Hervey de Saint-Denis at a time when study of the physiology of the brain was only beginning, interrupted the development of scientific dream theory for half a century. In a 1915 essay for The Journal of Abnormal Psychology, noted dream psychologist Lydiard H. Horton dismissed Freud's dream theory as "dangerously inaccurate" and claimed his approach to dream psychology "infinitely refined the guesses of earlier generations of thinkers as to the relationship of sleep-fancies to the waking life."

Karl Popper, who argued that all proper scientific theories must be potentially falsifiable, claimed that Freud's psychoanalytic theories were presented in unfalsifiable form, meaning that no experiment could ever disprove them.

Source - Sigmund Freud

But, hey, what do all these sciency-know-it-alls have to do with anything?

Amirite?

/yawn

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Messages is probably the wrong word... It's more about the impacts of different family structures.

EDIT... I'm thinking family dynamics might be a phrase to use but that still implies an element of determined motivation, which throws off the scent a little.

originally posted by: TheJourney

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
By saying 'a person', as oppose to 'a homosexual', you are evading the topic and desensitising readers from the actual issue.

Dear lord...'these homosexuals aren't people like us'...now I've heard it all...Im glad we always have members who are able to be caricatures of 'the problem' on these threads...you do as much to discredit your own argument as anyone else could...saying we shouldn't call homosexuals people...lmao...

Let me clarify for you as you missed the point I was trying to convey.

You are quoting out of context as well, I was alluding to the point that homosexuality cannot be categorised along with race, political persuasion, religion or ethnicity in the context of parenting and raising a child due to the consequences of same sex parenting and the negative impacts that come a long with it.

A homosexual is stll a human being the last time a checked, with the opposite sexual preference to a heterosexual.

originally posted by: MKMoniker
Homosexuals as parents is very controversial. But the "proof" is out there:

www.investigatemagazine.co.nz...
CHILDREN RAISED IN GAY AND LESBIAN HOUSEHOLDS SUFFER

www.theinterim.com...
STUDY SHOWS LINK BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALITY AND PEDOPHILIA
A new study confirmed what police and psychiatrists have known for decades: a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia.

www.lifesitenews.com...
LINK BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALITY AND PEDOPHILIA

www.amazon.com...=cm_cd_asin_lnk
OUT FROM UNDER: THE IMPACT OF HOMOSEXUAL PARENTING

Dr. Timothy Daily of the Family Research Council . . .

Enough said right there.

SPLC: www.splcenter.org...

a reply to: flammadraco

I have several friends who are gay. They are not my friends because they are gay - they are my friends because they are warm, caring, fun people who I love to be around. They are people who I am proud to say - have my back. They just happen to be gay. (I also have a friend who happens to be a red-head, and several left-handed friends too).

It just makes me sad and mad as hell to see this kind of mindset from people who probably have never really spent any time with someone gay - or someone that that they even knew were gay.

Are there gay people who aren't very nice? I'm sure. Are there gay people who aren't warm, caring and fun? Of course. But to classify a whole group of people as evil sexual predators - that's just pure hatred and ignorance. There's just nothing else to say.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Whatever you say, you've gone far off-topic and I hoped that a moderator would show up long ago.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: MstWntd

Whats your view?.. will throwing babies at same sex couples lead to a future where homosexuality is accepted?..

First of all, who is throwing babies?

Did you fail to see my descriptive use of "throwing babies"? I can't say much on your understanding of English.

Second: Who is stomping their heads in?

I dont believe I eluded to any stomping.. are you referring this to someone else?..

Third: And who is carrying them around after they die because mom doesn't know how to put them down?

Erm.. after who dies?.. what is up with these vague questions being fired off?..

Fourth: What about the babies that the natural parents didn't want - you know, the babies brought into this world because laws prohibit the mother from making a decision about whether to have them at all and can legally take care of a potentially life-threatening (in many ways) situation before the zygote can feel anything at all? WAY before it is even 'gender-specific', or 'thinking', or even has a heartbeat?

Finally something sensible.. like I have stated.. a) the child has rights to hetrosexual necular family and b) theres plenty of hetrosexual couples wanting to take them.. moving on this isnt about the stupid abortion laws in the US..

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Messages is probably the wrong word... It's more about the impacts of different family structures.

Please expand on that. What is the problem with a child learning that "the family structure" is more about love and growth rather than the the genitals of the parents? What might they learn about the "family dynamic" that frightens or concerns you?

a reply to: MKMoniker

its amazing what people will do if they think it will get people to like them.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

I only copied and pasted some stats from a youtube poster

Oh.....well then.
/sarc
wow.

And I know my date is a french model - because it was on the internet. They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.

Good Gawd.....*facepalm*

originally posted by: MKMoniker
a reply to: flammadraco

While you "flame" about fundamentalist Christians as your main religious target, I'd like to educate you a little about how all the world's Great Religions think about homosexuality:

www.answering-islam.org...
SHARIA SURE AIN'T GAY - MUHAMMAD AND THE HOMOSEXUAL

answers.yahoo.com...
DOES HINDUISM CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALITY?
In general, "twice-born" Hindus are prohibited from homosexual acts (maithunam pumsi), such as in Manusmrti 11:74, which mentions both men and women.

www.evangelical.us...
BUDDHISM AND HOMOSEXUALITY
The Dalai Lama has stated that homosexuality is not allowed in Buddhism. The Buddha states that those who openly express cross-gender features or strong homosexual desires and actions, may not become a monk. Homosexuality is also not allowed among Buddhist lay people.

www.theguardian.com...
RUSSIA PASSES LAW BANNING GAY PROPAGANDA

www.nytimes.com...
COURT RESTORES INDIA'S BAN ON GAY SEX
The Indian Supreme Court reinstated a colonial-era law banning gay sex, ruling that it had been struck down improperly by a lower court.

www.newser.com...
AUSTRALIA STRIKES DOWN GAY MARRIAGE, AFTER 5 DAYS

Go Aussies!

Again, stop wasting your time telling me what different religions around the world think about homosexuality. IMHO I look at folk like you as if you have a mental illness for believing something that is based on scripture written by shepherds who believed the Worlds was flat and the Sun was magic. Nothing you have to say to me will deviate me away from that thought!

Using your scripture or any other religious scripture against me in an argument is a complete waste of your time as I could have a "Theological Debate" with you and I'd whoop your A';0s in the process and i'd do it by using your own scripture against you!

IMHO I think having religion in the home is far more damaging to the Child's up bringing than having Gay Parents.

originally posted by: MstWntd

Finally something sensible.. like I have stated.. a) the child has rights to hetrosexual necular family and b) theres plenty of hetrosexual couples wanting to take them.. moving on this isnt about the stupid abortion laws in the US..

Wait, a child now has rights to live in an family of zombies?

I really do learn something new everyday on ATS.

PS: Great Understanderer of English ... it's nuclear family, not necular or necromantic, or necrotic.

(I wouldn't pick on your grammar if you weren't trying to attack the competency of others so foolishly.)

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Also, beware of the phenomenon of "internet inches."

Reality has an interesting way of inflicting itself on fantasy.

(By the way, thanks for your light-hearted contributions to so many threads, including this one. Your comments often call me out of taking this stuff so seriously!)

a reply to: MstWntd

Ah....nice edit. You learned something today!

No worries - it's a start.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Your comments often call me out of taking this stuff so seriously!

Hey, man. It's spring.

I've been feeling rather weepy and disoriented myself. But just today I was thinking I was glad I don't take myself so seriously as some take themselves. I know the feeling, by the way......but - the sun is shining, and I'm excited to have just entered my 56th spring season!!

We never know how many springs we will get to experience.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

The intentions are love and growth, these are put into action by all good parents, gay or hetero. But there's something that makes itself evident in offspring's behaviour/personality that leads people to believe different family structures have different results... Influenced not by parental intentions but the resulting dynamics of different family structures.

I posted some links in a previous thread to support some of this, I'm on my tablet so linking is a chore but page one of this thread I think I linked to it. Over the weekend I'll post some thing more relevant to other family structures and effects.

Note I'm only focusing on same sex or single parent families in these threads because of the context. Battery low.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: MstWntd

Just for your avoiding future embarrassment the phrase is "moot points" not "mute points."

Safe for that.

You're the one that posited the "rights" of the child to choose its birth and family circumstances, not me. I agree completely that it's a pretty silly comparison.

Silly to a certain extent.. look the point here is why does the kid who has nothing to do with these people.. why should this child cater to their needs by giving up his right to have a male father and female mother?..

So, it's okay for the parents to inflict a system of superstition which will likely cause some level of confusion and discomfort for the rest of the child's life, while the child is still non compos mentis and cannot defend herself or himself from indoctrination by parents?

I was wondering if i had to attach a disclaimer saying "As long as this does not infringe the physical and mental health of the child" but then I thought "come on who in their right mind would need me to say that?!".. evidently it was needed..

Wow, and here I thought you were advocating for the child's rights!

Yup, only me.

Honestly it truly seems like that people are thinking "if we get enough children raised by homosexual couples, we can have a future where homosexuality is accepted, encouraged and normal"