History May Seem Random But Its Not, I found The Fixed Point.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Hi moderator :-)

What I'm claiming to know about God is a % of all there is. Who can understand a being who spits stars out of His mouth but what I'm claiming is I know His plan for mankind only and no that's no arrogent.

God told us about Jesus in one bible and the rest He explained to me over 20 years. I know Gods plan for Jesus and the chosen only up till the end of history with regards to the clock which will stop but as for eternity (a very very very long time measured in moments) who can tell the details of what the chosen will do with TRUE free will as opposed to the illusion of free will we have now?

No mortal has Gods knowledge of eternity. For now only clues but the clues are intreging. Point is to be chosen follow God, live like Christ (a mystery) and accept that whatever happens you had no choices to make and in the end you will live forever or live no more.

I'm a chosen one. I love Jesus and behave like Christ. I will eat fruit of eternity. I wish you were chosen too. Are you?

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

I wouldn't doubt that what we think of as "free will" is not very free at all -- I like your thought experiments, and wish you the best of luck. The wold would be a very boring place if we didn't exercise our brains.

Perhaps if we don't have free will, what you thinking now about it was already pre-determined!

Religion is so boring.

a reply to: olaru12

I don't know Gods mind only the little concerned with the himan race. God created a universe to us the size of a flea to those already out there and he has named every star in the flea sized universe. No I can't say I know His full mind but I know His Human mind and that helps.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

I agree but religion needs a dose of God. Religion without God = dead\boring.

Religion with God =excitingt\alive.

RELIGION needs God!

originally posted by: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND
a reply to: olaru12

I don't know Gods mind only the little concerned with the himan race. God created a universe to us the size of a flea to those already out there and he has named every star in the flea sized universe. No I can't say I know His full mind but I know His Human mind and that helps.

Oh, in your previous post and OP, you seemed to lay out the complete scenario of Gods plan. Now you seem to be backtracking away from your "fixed point" theory.

Sorry amigo, I'm calling "cheeze"...... Crank and religion is a dangerous combo.

I agree but religion needs a dose of God.

Hummmm, Interesting choice of words!

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Everything is predetermied. Nothing is not predetermined. This will end one day and I havnt even explained true free will to you yet.

Live long.

a reply to: Answer

show him endless love and admiration in order to be rewarded after death or 2) endure torture for eternity. He gave us the gits of logic, reason, and a highly-inquisitive nature but then made it so we'd go to hell if we use those abilities.

He also made sex feel amazing but told us we can only do it with one person, he made alcohol enjoyable but we can't get drunk, and the list goes on and on.

loool, sex feels amazing but we should only do it with one person...

Yeah shooting some people might feel amazing too, doesn't mean we should do it.

Sex is just the physical component of making love, which was the original intention. Doing it with your partner/ spouse for the sake of bringing both together intimately and increasing the bond and of course procreating and creating a stable family. Otherwise you can just replace sex with your right hand.

God sounds suspiciously like a psychopath. "LOVE ME AND SHOW ME ATTENTION OR YOU'LL REGRET IT!!!" Did he create an entire race of beings just to rule over them mercilessly and torture them by making all of their inherent desires punishable by eternal suffering?

God being needy? Has god left you a voicemail asking why you haven't called? Has God asked anything of you in your life despite giving you things, like life? Why is god needy? There is no logic in god the higher entity needing you or anything from you for whatever reason.

These are the questions you should be asking yourself. And as for god ruling over us? God hasn't done anything of the sort, you are free to go do whatever you want, he isn't holding your hand in anyway or holding you back from anything. You got the brain and the limbs he gave you to go about your business.

Should you need God, yeah you can leave a voicemail.

Except the bible's false and God is non-existent.

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

** g/o/d the hebrew egotist came out of Brahman the non-personal un-comprehendable "transcendental" source of everything, which even astro-Physics and evolution Biologists dont (and never will) know what that was. god /the gods (alien spirit Cloners), later screwed up the Earth system and became the Original Sinners themselves. "they" ran off to try avoid their cosmic KARMA and put the blame on human "sinners". jesus came along to save Some humans >AS LONG AS< you FIRST believe that god /"them" was "perfect & right" and forgive all nasty creatures and gods ESPECIALLY forgive his own "father" who screwed the System in the first place. so in effect god OWES YOU say 10 million$ but he says thru jesus, i will give you 1000$ (eternal life - which is yours anyway if you keep your cool) PROVIDED you FIRST forgive the gods of the other 9999 thousand$ they technically owe you. that is the summary...... #kamanism calls it the Great Christ Deception (GCD). so you have a "choice", abandon your brains and take the 1000$ or tell "g/o/d" to FO. the 1000$ is genuinely tempting to real earth sinners, and then they run around praising the "christ" of pope Constantine (different from jesus Humanitarian). but if you know you are NOT a sinner (in this life at least) then the efforts of visibly evil spirits like osiris-the-masturbator (OTM) may keep you demanding a better deal than the mere 1000$. THEN you will see gods TRUE vengeful nature, when his army of hireling "reptile" spirits start attacking you.... not nice, but if you are a person who has been seriously offended > BY < god(s), such as innocent prisoners in torture camps, then you may prefer the FO reply ..... kaman

a reply to: olaru12

Its not drugs. I did a bit of marawana once but didn't like it. God is a mystery wrapped in an enigma as I get older and look into it more the more I see. Right now its Jesus space in history. I live I learn I grow.

Sorry I jaded you but you can see past that to this hey? I mean as a baby I went goo goo ga ga are you going to hold that against me?

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND
We have a certain amount of free will but society put limits to it like you daring me to do a puppet show in front of the white house. The secret services would have something to say about it and everybody here on ATS would have a laugh. People limits on free will especially when it encroaches on free will. The question is about god and predestination and how he controls us. Right off the bat Adam and Eve never had free will it was the devil that showed them and then god kicked them out of the garden and punished them and all of us with death.

originally posted by: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND


Sorry I jaded you but you can see past that to this hey? I mean as a baby I went goo goo ga ga are you going to hold that against me?

Friend, I became jaded a long time ago. And all I want for you, myself, and everyone is to find grace and peace in their life, no matter what path they chose.

I have found that feeling "special" is a quick way to getting your butt kicked by reality and life in general.

Sorry for my cynical and sarcastic attitude...are you going to hold that against me?

a reply to: Trueman

Have you READ the description of Ragnarok? It starts off with basically all of humanity descending into total anarchy and just killing and raping each other. If you are woman, you've become a whore.

Brothers will fight
and kill each other,
sisters' children
will defile kinship.
It is harsh in the world,
whoredom rife
—an axe age, a sword age
—shields are riven—
a wind age, a wolf age—
before the world goes headlong.
No man will have
mercy on another.[11]

Then immediately afterwards Odin blows some great horn and a giant battle of the heavens commences that literally tears the world apart. There is no salvation for humanity. The only survivors are two people who hide out in a forest and are the only ones meant to repopulate post-Ragnarok. The sun blackens, fires stretch to the heavens, and the earth sinks into the earth after Thor dies.

The gods then do battle with the invaders: Odin is swallowed whole and alive fighting the wolf Fenrir, causing his wife Frigg her second great sorrow (the first being the death of her son, the god Baldr).[15] Odin's son Víðarr avenges his father by rending Fenrir's jaws apart and stabbing it in the heart with his spear, thus killing the wolf. The serpent Jörmungandr opens its gaping maw, yawning widely in the air, and is met in combat by Thor. Thor, also a son of Odin and described here as protector of the earth, furiously fights the serpent, defeating it, but Thor is only able to take nine steps afterward before collapsing. The god Freyr fights Surtr and loses. After this, people flee their homes, and the sun becomes black while the earth sinks into the sea, the stars vanish, steam rises, and flames touch the heavens.[16]

The völva sees the earth reappearing from the water, and an eagle over a waterfall hunting fish on a mountain. The surviving Æsir meet together at the field of Iðavöllr. They discuss Jörmungandr, great events of the past, and the runic alphabet. In stanza 61, in the grass, they find the golden game pieces that the gods are described as having once happily enjoyed playing games with long ago (attested earlier in the same poem). The reemerged fields grow without needing to be sown. The gods Höðr and Baldr return from Hel and live happily together.[17]

The völva says that the god Hœnir chooses wooden slips for divination, and that the sons of two brothers will widely inhabit the windy world. She sees a hall thatched with gold in Gimlé, where nobility will live and spend their lives pleasurably.[17] Stanzas 65, found in the Hauksbók version of the poem, refers to a "powerful, mighty one" that "rules over everything" and who will arrive from above at the court of the gods (Old Norse regindómr),[18] which has been interpreted as a Christian addition to the poem.[19] In stanza 66, the völva ends her account with a description of the dragon Níðhöggr, corpses in his jaws, flying through the air. The völva then "sinks down."[20] It is unclear if stanza 66 indicates that the völva is referring to the present time or if this is an element of the post-Ragnarök world.[21]

In stanza 44, Odin poses the question to Vafþrúðnir as to who of mankind will survive the "famous" Fimbulvetr ("Mighty Winter"[23]). Vafþrúðnir responds in stanza 45 that those survivors will be Líf and Lífþrasir, and that they will hide in the forest of Hoddmímis holt, that they will consume the morning dew, and will produce generations of offspring. In stanza 46, Odin asks what sun will come into the sky after Fenrir has consumed the sun that exists. Vafþrúðnir responds that Sól will bear a daughter before Fenrir assails her, and that after Ragnarök this daughter will continue her mother's path.[24]

I don't care what you say. That is WAY more hardcore than anything Christianity talks about. Sounds like a pretty killer movie to be honest. Micheal Bay could direct it. He doesn't have to worry about plot since the story is already written for him. Just sit back and let him do what he does best, eye candy and explosions.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

you just like it because the whoredom part.

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

OR....

Man is the one who writes and plans history in advance, all while attributing their plan to a fictional god.

Prophecy is the blueprint, today's events are that blueprint being put into action by those in power. The bible is not here for salvation, it is here as an instruction booklet for those in power.

When Jesus supposedly came the OT prophecies were already put in stone by those who wrote it, all those in power had to do was create a tiny sliver of history that aligned with the prophecy that was already written down and preserved by those in power before them.

It's the long con. They have to keep the illusion/delusion going, it's the only way they can keep manipulating us and sucking us dry.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

There is nothing quite like the assumed power of someone who thinks they have a hot-line to God - for my money they need certifying for their arrogance. If one attributes the power to a being to build something as complex and gigantic as the universe and rthemn a lot of others also - can anyone honestly think they are soo important to such a being that it/he/she answers their imaginary telephone?

What gets me is that people don't actually think deeply about their beliefs accepting them as though they are so unimportant personally to them because its some infinitesmial being's business that they breathe or don't as the case may be..

originally posted by: Abednego
Sounds logical if you only stay on the Christian biblical side. But...

Only the Christians are saved, all others are burned up by an unquestioned fire.

Which Christians will be save?
Catholics, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Orthodox, etc...?

According to the New Testament anyone who believes Jesus died for their sins and accepts him. Doesn't matter what other label they have. Leper, prostitute, liar, hypocrite, JW, Democrat (haha).

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

I view it somewhat differently. God moves in a different space than we do. We have clues to this in statements like I AM that I AM and I am the alpha and omega.

He created the universe and set it all in motion, and He saw the end at the same time as the beginning because time is meaningless for Him. It moves differently or simply does not exist for God. So He knows it all, all at once.

We feel time and are chained to it. He knows how you will do what you are going to do, and He perceives the end because He's already there at the same time as He is here and He's still at the very beginning too. He is everywhere and everywhen all at once.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Do you like Game of Thrones? It's basically Ragnarok in fictionalized form.