I hate UK politics & politicians...

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: flammadraco

My dad always says that Ed stabbed his brother in the back...

Your dad is correct. David was winning by a land slide, but Ed promised the Unions everything under the Sun and so the Unions backed Ed over David despite nearly all the Labour membership wanting David.

Sad state of affairs when the unions dictate who runs the country!

a reply to: flammadraco

Ok thanks, still have no clue what's what or who is who. But nice to know.

But man sure seems like you have a lot more people on the payroll. Not sure if that is better or worse.

a reply to: ObjectZero

If you're from the States...

Labour are like the Democrats...

Conservatives are like Republicans...

UKIP are like the Tea Party...


& the rest would probably fall under the Independent bracket...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

At least Osbourne's figures generally add up. Balls and Milliband can't even managae that. They have been consistently wrong about pretty much everything over the last 5 years, they front a campaign last week (Balls) that even he admits he doesn't believe, the cost ofliving arguement (basically the entire Labour manifesto) is rubbished by independent bodies, NHS spending is up,

I could go on but how anyone can even consider Milliband is just beyond me. The guy is a complete joke, so much so his own party is even turning on him. He has absolutely no credibility.

Osbourne is a git but at least his figures make sense - quite a key point for a Chancellor.

a reply to: flammadraco

The topic at hand:

A member who fervently rejects the idea that US citizens should wield what little power they still have over their government is ranting about how he doesn't like his government...

I'm basking in the irony of this thread.

How much further would the US be down the road if we didn't wield the 2nd? Using force and having force are different. One makes you a martyr, the other accomplishes a goal.

a reply to: ObjectZero

Its mainly just the Conservatives and Labour which is the equivalent to the US Democrats (Labour) and Republicans (Conservatives). The other parties other than Lib Dems (which will fail miserably at the next election) are much much smaller with only 1 or 2 MPs in Westminster out of the over 600 MPs that make up the House of Commons.

The US has far more folk on the payroll in Government in comparison, I believe your (assuming your in the US) House of Representatives is our House of Commons and your Senate would be our House of Lords (except in our House Of Lords is full of folk that were not elected and were born as Lords, or placed there as favours by which ever government is in power at the time, very undemocratic)

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: flammadraco

The topic at hand:

A member who fervently rejects the idea that US citizens should wield what little power they still have over their government is ranting about how he doesn't like his government...

I'm basking in the irony of this thread.

How much further would the US be down the road if we didn't wield the 2nd? Using force and having force are different. One makes you a martyr, the other accomplishes a goal.

What on earth are you talking about?

When have I "fervently rejected the idea that US citizens should wield their power"???


Clear off you liar!

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
You need to concentrate on policies and not the people. Just my view.

a reply to: paraphi

I do both...

Because the person who puts forth the policy needs to be scrutinised to know if the policy is actually part of the persons plan.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Politics: “Poli” a Latin word meaning “many”; and "tics" meaning “bloodsucking creatures”.

It's all just show business for ugly people and should be treated as such.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

Total rot.

America has not prevented its government from being usurped by interests other than the will of the electorate, and this process has been evident for a great deal of time. Where is the resistance to that, which is enforced by the armament of the people of the United States? There is not any, is there? And lets not be distracted by the recent, very recent changes to the law on that point in the various states! This has been going on for decades, decades in which firearms ownership rules have been much more relaxed than they are these days, and so new laws and legislation are no excuse for the LAXITY of the population of the United States in dealing with their leadership class.

Utter dross and not at all relavant. I think the Second Amendment is a great bit of legislature, but the British rules on the right to bear arms are nothing to do with what is going on here.

Now, CharlieSpeirs is RIGHT to be so angry about the state of our politics in this country. The fact is that the parties which are put forward for selection into government, are roundly and utterly incapable of representing the people, telling the truth, and being honest about their intentions going forward. They are not run by people who have ever HAD the problems that the rest of the people have had, like being destitute, growing up poor, having to spend more than they CAN earn, just to maintain a home, heat, and a full belly. The people running our country, and indeed the entire political establishment, is populated with people who are unfamiliar with hard, physical work, with living a life worthy of being called such, and as a result, the leadership class have no familiarity with, nor anything in common with, the great mass of the people, who are hard working, and looking not to become staggeringly wealthy, but to merely get their children a good start in life, put food in their bellies, clothes on their backs, and provide for their education. These are SMALL ambitions, and everyone in this country should expect that at a minimum.

However, wages are poor, the public sector is already decimated and only seems likely to become even more devastated by events, if the Chancellors recent act of economic terrorism is anything to go by. The parties which seek our votes in the next election are all obsessed with cutting this, and tweaking that in terms of spending, to one extreme or the other. None of them however are prepared to isolate the poorest people in the country from being effected by these measures, none of them are intent on taking on big businesses stealing money from the taxpayer, and over charging government departments, BEFORE even DARING to negatively effect even a single pound of a regular persons income....

In short, the entire political establishment, whether that be the usual suspects, or indeed the outliers and no hoper parties, have NO intention of behaving properly toward the people of this country, and not a single one of the bastards deserves our vote, or our respect. They are uniformly persons who have gained their positions by way of making deals with money, rather than making headway in improving the lot of regular British folk. They make me sick.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Miliband is tearing the Tories apart...



And they keep jeering and booing over him to dodge what's being said...



I should have called this thread I Hate Tory politics and Tory politicians.




Get in Ed!



"The liberal democrats are at the boots of the Conservatives"....



Nick Clegg's head dropped after that and he's spent ten minutes looking at the floor!!!

Don't like the conservatives for their actions in Libya but I will vote tactically to make sure that Labour don't get in power again

So I will vote liberal or conservative to avoid another nightmare for this country


Having said that I admired some of the old school labour politicians but the new breed of Balls and co just push me away but I guess that's the normal with all parties now

Just look at when they have something to say,early radio and tv will report what they will say before they even say it giving time for the focus groups to get feedback and change the speech before they even say it!

To be honest mate we have not got a lot to vote for

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Parasites...

Scumbags...



Bloodsuckers...

I see where you're coming from but my local MP is an amazingly hard worker for my community so he will get my vote again. I am completely 'party blind' in this, it is solely for the person. I've dealt in a professional capacity with him and I know full well how many hours he puts in for the community. He takes on all government departments in an advocacy role for citizens and is like a dog with a bone when he see's any injustice. I know many many people he has personally helped.

All the other MP's may well be a bunch of #s but I can honestly say that mine does his job, well.
We're a forgotten region anyway in the SW of England as far as Westminster government is concerned though, so it generally makes # all difference to us here whoever governs the country from London. As long as the tourists keep coming in the Summer we'll still all make hay as the Sun shines, and as long as my MP works like a dog for my area, he'll get my vote.

My vote is totally for the man, not the political party.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

If i was enough of a twat to be as savaged by that useless knob Milliband as Osbourne was, it wouldn't be a difficult decision to throw myself under a train.

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

At least Osbourne's figures generally add up. Balls and Milliband can't even managae that. They have been consistently wrong about pretty much everything over the last 5 years, they front a campaign last week (Balls) that even he admits he doesn't believe, the cost ofliving arguement (basically the entire Labour manifesto) is rubbished by independent bodies, NHS spending is up,

I could go on but how anyone can even consider Milliband is just beyond me. The guy is a complete joke, so much so his own party is even turning on him. He has absolutely no credibility.

Osbourne is a git but at least his figures make sense - quite a key point for a Chancellor.

LOL!! How quickly people forget ....

I seem to remember the previous labour government's *Treasury's secretary's*

Liam Burns, left a note for the incoming minister David Laws which stated

"Dear Chief secretary I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left"

originally posted by: eletheia
I seem to remember the previous labour government's *Treasury's secretary's*

Liam Burns, left a note for the incoming minister David Laws which stated

"Dear Chief secretary I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left"

Lol, I remember that, was working for a welfare quango then and when funding was slashed by the incoming Conservatives I was made redundant. I knew full well it wasn't a sustainable welfare economy before it happened, Labour just poured the money away...retrained as a plasterer then (weary, after a decade+ of public service for a large percentage of people who expect the state to metaphorically wipe their arse even though their hands work fine) ...and I've been comfortably self employed ever since, despite a recession.

Too many people want to cling to the skirt-tails of government if you ask me though, disabled or elderly fair enough, but there are loads of lazy bastards here in the UK...I have always made my own life myself, regardless or in spite of government, I learned to rely on myself when I was a homeless (rough-sleeping) 16 year old many years ago for 6 months.
Too many people cry "The government should do something" these days instead of getting off their arses and doing it themselves.
Call me cold, I don't care, I would call you naive and a soft touch back at ya.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Miliband is tearing the Tories apart...



And they keep jeering and booing over him to dodge what's being said...



I should have called this thread I Hate Tory politics and Tory politicians.




Get in Ed!



"The liberal democrats are at the boots of the Conservatives"....



Nick Clegg's head dropped after that and he's spent ten minutes looking at the floor!!!

O god.......

If you think labour will do much better we are really done for......


The torys might be evil penny pinchers but at leadt they can do simple mathmatic.

Deficiet spendind is bad full stop.

Id make cuts in other places compared to the torys but at the end of the day the deficiet needs bringing down.

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: flammadraco

I wasn't discussing m855 until you said my point was irrelevant.

My initial point was that he might have had other options than just to rant on ATS had the citizens of the UK not already rolled over to their masters en mass.

Maybe there still are other options...

Publicly protest! His voice isn't very loud on here now is it?

So your point then is we Brits should take up arms against Westminster as they are announcing the Budget for 2015! Just like our American Cousins do when you announce your Budget! Got it!

You're still nuts!

Na American dont have a budget they just spend spend and spend.

Then they throw a tantrum when they have to raise the debt celling

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Parasites...

Scumbags...



Bloodsuckers...

I see where you're coming from but my local MP is an amazingly hard worker for my community so he will get my vote again. I am completely 'party blind' in this, it is solely for the person. I've dealt in a professional capacity with him and I know full well how many hours he puts in for the community. He takes on all government departments in an advocacy role for citizens and is like a dog with a bone when he see's any injustice. I know many many people he has personally helped.

All the other MP's may well be a bunch of #s but I can honestly say that mine does his job, well.
We're a forgotten region anyway in the SW of England as far as Westminster government is concerned though, so it generally makes # all difference to us here whoever governs the country from London. As long as the tourists keep coming in the Summer we'll still all make hay as the Sun shines, and as long as my MP works like a dog for my area, he'll get my vote.

My vote is totally for the man, not the political party.

Exactly.

My MP is the same and one of the rare good ones.

I will vote for her.

Ignore the party vote on there record.

a reply to: grainofsand


Read the following in my paper yesterday>>>>

A benefits claimant who has not worked for 25years was told to do
more to find employment or his benefits would be cut. At the interview at
the job centre he was aggressive and argumentative when told his
benefits could be cut if he didn't do more to seek work.
He stormed from the centre shouting and swearing that the centre should
be torched, and returned 45mins later running amok with a hammer with
which he smashed two windows. When the police arrived he pulled an
eight inch knife which he waved about before holding it to his wrist in
a 90 minute stand off with the police.

He like many others is quite happy getting by on his benefits,
supplemented by housing and council tax benefits, he has no aspirations
and NO INTENTION TO EVER WORK if he can get away with it!