Israel's Netanyahu declares victory in tight race

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MrSpad
Palestian territory

Is there such a thing? Didn't they win the 1967 war?

The vast majority of original Palestinians were people the Hashimite kingdom of Jordan and also Syria had boxed up in refugee camps at their borders because they were extreme trouble makers. when the mandate was about to happen there were few Arabs living in the area created by the mandate. Jordan and Syria basically pushed their Palestinians into the area to counter the mandate. In short the majority of Palestinians were never native to the contested (mandate) area in the first place.

That is what I thought as well.

Every Arab nation treats the Palestinians like that.

To this day Gaza is still walled off on the Egyptian side.

If the Palestinians aren't just out to cause trouble why do all the other Arab nations shun them?

Such a thing is unprecedented in my experiences.

There is always a nation of similar ethnicity that will take in refugees.

But not one will allow the Palestinians.

They are a placeholder forced to stay there by the defeated Arabs in hopes one day to reverse the consequences of the wars they started and lost to Israel. Iran is making a play to dominate and the Sunni are too with Islamic State. Whoever wins will wage war with Israel as they promise every day in their rhetoric.

Palestinians will be butchered by the Caliphate if they win for being Apostate Muslims or Iran will turn it into ground zero uninhabitable if they win. All the people are taught there that Allah will save them in the mushroom clouds and fallout so that they will not be touched, they keep them brainwashed pretty good.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: stormbringer1701

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MrSpad
Palestian territory

Is there such a thing? Didn't they win the 1967 war?

The vast majority of original Palestinians were people the Hashimite kingdom of Jordan and also Syria had boxed up in refugee camps at their borders because they were extreme trouble makers. when the mandate was about to happen there were few Arabs living in the area created by the mandate. Jordan and Syria basically pushed their Palestinians into the area to counter the mandate. In short the majority of Palestinians were never native to the contested (mandate) area in the first place.

That is what I thought as well.

Every Arab nation treats the Palestinians like that.

To this day Gaza is still walled off on the Egyptian side.

If the Palestinians aren't just out to cause trouble why do all the other Arab nations shun them?

Such a thing is unprecedented in my experiences.

There is always a nation of similar ethnicity that will take in refugees.

But not one will allow the Palestinians.

They are a placeholder forced to stay there by the defeated Arabs in hopes one day to reverse the consequences of the wars they started and lost to Israel. Iran is making a play to dominate and the Sunni are too with Islamic State. Whoever wins will wage war with Israel as they promise every day in their rhetoric.

Palestinians will be butchered by the Caliphate if they win for being Apostate Muslims or Iran will turn it into ground zero uninhabitable if they win. All the people are taught there that Allah will save them in the mushroom clouds and fallout so that they will not be touched, they keep them brainwashed pretty good.

You are absolutely right about the brain washing.

The circular logic they use to uphold their faith is unbelievable.

I don't know how so many can believe half the stuff they are told.

Some of their leaders say things exactly the opposite as is stated in the Koran, but the people still believe it is Allah's will.

Can they not read? Are there reading comprehensive
Skills really so low?

Or is it that they are so brow beaten from birth to believe what they are told without question, they just do it?

originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: Xtrozero

Technically speaking there is no "Palestinian land" . That portion of Israel was ceded to them .
At last people that actually know the history of the region are starting to comment here

I think the "Palestine" were nomads that roamed across about 5 countries of today. I do not know why people do not blame the Brits and French for all the issues in the Middle East. If after WWI they did it right there would be 3 countries where Iraq is now and what we see as the "Palestine" would have been integrated across those countries, AND more importantly most were already integrated with Jordan. I also do not know why people do not blame Egypt from not fixing the issue back when they controlled that land too.

The Jews were handed a bag of crap that NO other Arab country would touch with a 10 foot pole, but today it is all their fault...geez...

To suggest that a 20 by 5 mile stripe of land should be a country is ignorant to how all those countries were actually formed in the first place.

Sounds official: Netanyahu Soundly Defeats Chief Rival in Israeli Elections

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yes , you do have the correct outlook on that whole mess and the history of the region . It was put together too quick as a knee-jerk reaction instead of a well thought out , well planned and executed organized process .. That led to the situation we have now. Act first , think and plan later (also ,try and cover up if possible)

Cant wait for people to wake up and realize theve been killing each other for centuries over imaginary guy in the sky.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Cant wait for people to wake up and realize theve been killing each other for centuries over imaginary guy in the sky.

When you say centuries you mean like 30 right? ...hehe

originally posted by: Snarl
Sounds official: Netanyahu Soundly Defeats Chief Rival in Israeli Elections

It is interesting his chief rival was from "Zionist Union alliance' As much as people talk about the evil Zionist what does this mean....

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Snarl
Sounds official: Netanyahu Soundly Defeats Chief Rival in Israeli Elections

It is interesting his chief rival was from "Zionist Union alliance' As much as people talk about the evil Zionist what does this mean....

Yepperdinkledeeodle. If one brand name doesn't suit ya ...

I think the whole beef has something to do with a successful segregation program, and _that_ is simply not politically correct. If this whole thing is about the poor poor Palestinians, why aren't their neighbors looking out for their better interests? I've already seen it amply/aptly addressed in-thread. Waxing rhetorically is not my strong suit.

originally posted by: xuenchen

Now What Happens ?

If Netanyahu is re-elected, Israel has a Europe problem

Nobody ever thought the window for a two-state solution would ever truly close — or be closed. Benjamin Netanyahu just declared it so in a last-ditched attempt to rally his base ahead of elections.

Forget whatever temporary crisis Benjamin Netanyahu created with the United States in his campaign speech on the Hill. If Netanyahu is re-elected on Tuesday, Israel is going to have a much more serious problem with Europe.

In an interview with Israeli news site NRG one day before elections, the prime minister made clear what he has only hinted at and skirted around for years.

The interviewer wasn’t going to have it. “If you are prime minister, a Palestinian state will not be established?” he asked.

“Indeed,” responded Netanyahu.

And therein lies the problem. The very foundation of Netanyahu’s strategy vis-a-vis the Palestinians and the international community has been to stall, to muddle, to talk the talk but not walk the walk.

His strategy has paid off thus far. Nobody in the world fully believes that Netanyahu ever earnestly went all-in to peace talks, but as long as the process continued, as long as there was a chance, the gravest consequences of Israel’s intransigence have been held at bay.

In Brussels last year senior EU bureaucrats crafting Europe’s policy in the Middle East made clear to me that the ongoing peace process was the only thing stopping them from implementing what can only be described as sanctions.

But if the Israeli government were to declare officially that two states were off the table and if the peace process were to be declared definitively dead, then there would be no more “business as usual.”

Last year, the idea seemed fantastical. No-one — neither diplomats nor analysts — believed the Israeli side would ever say say ‘game over.’ But things have changed.

And it is important to note that Europe is Israel’s largest trading partner, which gives it tremendous influence.

Netanyahu’s declaration, should he be re-elected, would also provide the Palestinian Authority with reasons beyond reproach to move ahead in the United Nations and other international institutions.

This will make things a bit awkward for the United States. How can it continue to veto anti-settlement resolutions in the UN Security Council if the Israeli government’s official position is that Palestinian statehood is off the table — that the West Bank belongs to Israel and not the Palestinians?

Would an International Criminal Court investigation into Israeli settlements as a war crime be emboldened by a newly unabashedly settler government?

We’ll find out in a few days.

originally posted by: MrSpad
If Netanyahu stays in power it is going to dark days for Isael and the US is going to have to make some hard choices. Israel is going to face a global boycott and unless the US blocks them santions. How far is the US willing to go to back up Israel when Israel keeps moving more and more into Palestian territory. That is going to place the US at odds with everybody. And if the US walks away Israel is going to find itself under heavy santions. One by one Israels hard line has driven its friends away. Maybe it is time to for the US to step back and let Israel deal with the world instead hiding behind the US.

ITA, All this Big Bad warmongering talk and posturing on somebody else's Dime. One of the funniest lines to me from his infamous speech to congress " Even if Israel has to stand alone, Israel will stand. But I know that Israel does not stand alone, I know that America's stands with Israel"

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MrSpad
Palestian territory

Is there such a thing? Didn't they win the 1967 war?

Palestinian territories do exist, and the UN considers them (Gaza, the West Bank and the often disputed East Jerusalem) to be officially occupied by the state of Israel.

Israel is an occupier of lands which do not belong to it.

The Israel election decided by one vote

Now that the role of the people is over, the election will be decided by one man: President Reuven Rivlin.

With all due respect to the millions of people who gave up time on their vacation day to cast ballots, it was clear from the start that the election would be decided by one man: President Reuven Rivlin.
When the polling stations closed at 10 p.m. Tuesday, so did the irrelevant part of the election when the people had their say. Now the important part of the election begins.

Polls in The Jerusalem Post and elsewhere have found that the people of Israel do not want a national unity government. In past elections they did, but this was the “it’s us or them” election, in which everyone pushed for their own team.

Perhaps now that the election is over, the people will change their minds and favor unity again. But it does not matter, because the role of the people in the election is over.
It’s now Rivlin’s turn to take over, and Rivlin wants a unity government. It’s his job to bring about the strongest and most stable government, and he thinks that is a coalition of Likud and the Zionist Union together.

The leaders of Likud and the Zionist Union, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and opposition leader Isaac Herzog, will push Rivlin to give them a chance without the other. But Rivlin will push back for unity.
His associates say he won’t force a unity government, but he will encourage one. Anyone with a Jewish mother knows that sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between the two.

So a unity government is the most likely coalition. It would include the Likud’s 27-28 seats, Zionist Union’s 27, Kulanu’s 9-10, Shas’s 7, and United Torah Judaism’s 6-7 for a total of 76-78 mandates.
If Netanyahu gets his way and receives the right to form a right-wing government, it would include the Likud’s seats 27-28, Bayit Yehudi’s 8-9, Kulanu’s 9-10, Shas’s 7, United Torah Judaism’s 6-7, and Yisrael Beytenu’s 5 for a total of 62-66 mandates.

If Herzog gets the right to form a government, it’s more complicated. The haredi (ultra-Orthodox) parties say they won’t sit in a coalition with Yesh Atid, the Joint (Arab) List says it won’t join any coalition, and Yisrael Beytenu leader Avigdor Liberman says he won’t join a coalition with Meretz even if he is offered the title of president of the United States

The best Herzog could do is take his 27, Kulanu’s 10, Shas’s 7, UTJ’s 6, and Meretz’s 5. That’s only 55 mandates.
That brings us back to a unity government.

President Rivlin, the choice is yours. This election will be decided by one vote.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Are you serious? He hasn't done the things I've preached? Like what? Saying there will be no Palestian state under his watch or war mongering or accusing his enemies of making the bomb? Everything I've posted about him is complete fact. It is you who are painting him to be something he is clearly not!

But I agree to completely disagree.

Congrats on keeping the new age Hitler in power Israel!!! Now while De Fuhrer keeps wiping Palestine off the map you can cry about the Hamas charter that wants to wipe Israel off the map because the people you put in charge are nothing but hypocrites. So maybe Benny will finally grow the balls to attack Iran instead of whining to America trying to get us to do your fighting for you so practice your goosestepping now.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Israel has had the capability to wipe most of their enemies of the map. PERIOD. They haven't.The Israelis want a solution.

Yeah they want a solution that's why they keep breaking peace agreements and walking away from the peace table. If they had peace then they would lose all that free money they get for "defense" and that's the last thing they want.

Negotiations will occur. You can bank on it. Netanyahu has a mandate. The other side was waiting to see how this election went. He may have to get nasty, but negotiations will result.

Sorry but seeing how he already said there will be no Palestine and the illegal settlements will continue to be built just shows there will be no negotiations.

Remember Saddam's line when he was pulled out of his rat-hole? "I want to negotiate."

And when did this happen? After his nation had been destroyed. Israel has already said what they would do if Israel were overrun launch nukes in every direction.

Bull f***ing sh**....this is a clear voter fraud case! Your party doesn't win when tens of thousands of ppl gather against you. I can't believe it and I hope it's not true that he won. Why would any sane person want the genocide of another race? This guy promised that! I can't honestly believe humans are that evil.

a reply to: buster2010

Don't know where you've been but try reading the thread before making comments that show what you don't know.

originally posted by: Stylez1

Hey, don't BLAME Obama; THANK Obama. Barack Obama made this win possible.

Between Obama sending his advisers (at taxpayer expense) to 'council' Netanyahu's opponent Herzog and 'assist his campaign...and Herzog's Official Campaign Slogan 'CHANGE and HOPE' blatantly mirroring Obama's 'HOPE and CHANGE'...

In a landslide, the Israeli people wanted to avoid electing a leader just like Barack Obama.

THANKS, OBAMA!