I want the Most Intriguing government / astronaut + alien conspiracy theories you have ever read

Hello ATS.

I'm currently working on a movie script and would like to hear your most intriguing / interesting / absurdly believable *** NON DEBUNKED ***
conspiracy theories that you have come across which include Aliens (&/or UFOs) in correlation with the Government / other authority organizations.

i need a research-able theory where there's either:

a government cover-up involved,
a believable - yet dismissed source / informant,
or a secret cult or following that conspires with alien life forms..
etc... etc...

Some really cool - deep thought through theories that may be based on some real facts which can be looked at under different lighting if you know what i mean.

if you could post your favorite, theories, & preferably a link and/or title of that theory
that would be awesome.

can't wait to hear form you all

a reply to: Archon23

I used to think the Tunguska Event back in 1908 was pretty intriguing until science ruined it for me.

Fun Fact: The first Ghostbusters movie references this event but gets the year wrong. They say 1909.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Archon23

I used to think the Tunguska Event back in 1908 was pretty intriguing until science ruined it for me.

Fun Fact: The first Ghostbusters movie references this event but gets the year wrong. They say 1909.

I had forgotten about that, I always intended to look into it but never got round to it.

For anyone that does not have the time to read the whole article here are some of the different theories put forward as an explanation.

"The behaviour of meteoroids in Earth's atmosphere was less well understood during the early decades of the 20th century. Due to this, as well as the paucity of relevant data resulting from Soviet secrecy during the Cold War, a great many other conjectures about the Tunguska event sprang up, none of which are accepted by the majority of the scientific community.
Fragment of near-earth object 2005 NB56

One study "suggests that a chunk of 2005 NB56 caused the 5–10 megaton fireball, bouncing off the atmosphere and back into orbit around the sun". The scientists involved in the study claim that the object that caused the event will pass close to Earth again in 2045.[49]

However, the orbit of 2005 NB56 has been computed on the basis on an observed arc of only 17 days, and it is therefore impossible to predict its position in 1908 with sufficient accuracy to verify the possible connection.
Natural H-bomb

In 1989, Serge J.D. D'Alessio and Archie A. Harms suggested that some of the deuterium in a comet entering Earth's atmosphere may have undergone a nuclear fusion reaction, leaving a distinctive signature in the form of carbon-14. They concluded that any release of nuclear energy would have been almost negligible. Independently, in 1990, César Sirvent proposed that a deuterium comet, i.e., a comet with an anomalous high concentration of deuterium in its composition, could have exploded as a natural hydrogen bomb, generating most of the energy released. The sequence would be the first time a mechanical or kinetic explosion triggered a thermonuclear reaction. These proposals are inconsistent with our knowledge of the composition of comets and of the temperature and pressure conditions necessary for initiating a nuclear fusion reaction.Studies have found the concentration of radioactive isotopes in the blast region to be inconsistent with those expected following a nuclear explosion, fusion or otherwise.[27]

Edward Drobyshevski has suggested that the event was caused by the explosion of the hydrogen-saturated part of the nucleus of a comet that struck Earth's atmosphere, with most of the remaining comet nucleus surviving, and possibly continuing to orbit the sun.
Black hole

In 1973, Albert A. Jackson and Michael P. Ryan, physicists at the University of Texas at Austin, proposed that the Tunguska event was caused by a small (around 1017 kg to 1019 kg) black hole passing through Earth.This hypothesis is considered flawed, as there was no so-called exit event—a second explosion occurring as the black hole, having tunnelled through Earth, shot out the other side on its way back into space. Based on the direction of impact, the exit event would have occurred in the North Atlantic, closer than the impact event to the seismic recording stations that collected much of the evidence of the event. The hypothesis also fails to account for evidence that cosmic material was deposited by the extraterrestrial body, including dust trails in the atmosphere and the distribution of high-nickel magnetic spherules around the impact area.
Antimatter
Main article: Antimatter comet § Tunguska event of 1908

In 1941, Lincoln LaPaz, and later in 1965, Clyde Cowan, Chandra R. Atluri, and Willard F. Libby suggested that the Tunguska event was caused by the annihilation of a chunk of antimatter falling from space. As with the other hypotheses described in this section, this does not account for the mineral debris left in the area of the explosion.
Nikola Tesla

In popular literature and on conspiracy theory websites Nikola Tesla is pointed to as the cause of the Tunguska event, either as a result of running his Wardenclyffe tower wireless power transmitter or from testing his death ray.
Geophysical hypothesis

Astrophysicist Wolfgang Kundt has suggested the Tunguska event was caused by the sudden release and subsequent explosion of 10 million tons of natural gas from within Earth's crust. The similar verneshot hypothesis has also been suggested as a possible cause of the Tunguska event."

originally posted by: Archon23
Hello ATS.

I'm currently working on a movie script and would like to hear your most intriguing / interesting / absurdly believable *** NON DEBUNKED ***
conspiracy theories that you have come across which include Aliens (&/or UFOs) in correlation with the Government / other authority organizations.

i need a research-able theory where there's either:

a government cover-up involved,
a believable - yet dismissed source / informant,
or a secret cult or following that conspires with alien life forms..
etc... etc...

Some really cool - deep thought through theories that may be based on some real facts which can be looked at under different lighting if you know what i mean.

if you could post your favorite, theories, & preferably a link and/or title of that theory
that would be awesome.

can't wait to hear form you all

I think you are going to struggle by including non debunked in your criteria.

If your looking for an all encompassing holywood worthy tale then I think MJ12 has to be up there.

MJ12 Info

Disclaimer: I in no way admit to agreeing with any of the information in this link and refuse to be rightfully ridiculed for it's inclusion in this thread.

One mystery that always found interesting was the Dyatlov Pass Incident. The Dyatlov Pass incident was an event that resulted in the death of nine skiers in the northern Ural Mountains on the night of February 2, 1959. There is a lot of speculation and scientific facts discovered. Some say it was exposure, others thinking it was more..supernatural.

Denver airport.. something we need to understand, what is it really ?

a reply to: dollukka

The Denver Airport is a good one, so much speculation into what the airport has underneath it.

Neil Armstrong was an alien. It's even in his name. His first name plus first letter of his last name, spelled backwards: NEIL Armsrtong = ALIEN. And it's never been debunked.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Neil Armstrong was an alien. It's even in his name. His first name plus first letter of his last name, spelled backwards: NEIL Armsrtong = ALIEN. And it's never been debunked.

Do you have any more information other than an anagram?

I have a free afternoon and love a good yarn!

a reply to: Archon23

The Solway Firth Spaceman is another fun story, though it is likely that the "spaceman" was really just the girl's mother standing with her back to the camera and out of focus.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: UnBreakable
Neil Armstrong was an alien. It's even in his name. His first name plus first letter of his last name, spelled backwards: NEIL Armsrtong = ALIEN. And it's never been debunked.

Do you have any more information other than an anagram?

I have a free afternoon and love a good yarn!

No, unfortunately all I have is an anagram. I just thought it would make a good basis for a tall tale. Of course, there are plenty of stories where he supposedly encountered an alien presence on his supposed trip to the moon. I use the word supposed because there are plenty of people who question whether it happened in the first place.

"Did Neil Armstrong Encounter an Alien Presence on the Moon?"

In 1979, Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now."

Soviet scientists were allegedly the first to confirm the incident.

"According to our information, the encounter was reported immediately after the landing of the module," said Dr. Vladimir Azhazha, a physicist and Professor of Mathematics at Moscow University. "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But his message was never heard by the public-because NASA censored it."
theobjectreport.blogspot.com...

Maybe you should look into Skinwalker ranch. And how the national institute of discovery sciences(NIDS) failed miserably at trying to use science to explain the hotbed of paranormal activity going on at the ranch for decades. Everything from various types of ufos, cryptids, cattle mutilations, creatures of various unidentified origins and the list goes on and on.

Now owned and controlled by bigelow. Owner of bigelow aerospace. The only company allowed to bring weapons into space. The FAA used to also redirect ufo sighting calls from the public to his NIDS organization.


Checkout the book The Hunt For The Skinwalker I believe it's called. It'lll blow your mind. I could write pages about the things that have gone down there, witnessed by scientists and civilians alike. Additionally, remote viewing sessions have uncovered deep ties to government black projects underground at and near the ranch.

No links I'm afraid but a while ago Skeptic Overlord offered the suggestion that the Roswell incident was staged propaganda by the CIA to try and fool the USSR into thinking that the USA had aquired advanced miliatary technology.

That would make a pretty good story in my opinion and as far as I know has never been debunked.

a reply to: Archon23Space time travel earth to moon in 90 minutes. I would think that if it where possible NASA would have a bigger budget than they have now. Every rocket launch has been recorder, I do not think anyone has missed one of those.
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A guy called James Jesus Angleton may interest you the things he oversaw make me wish I had known a lot more about him and what he must have encountered
www.ufoevidence.org...

originally posted by: nonspecific

I think you are going to struggle by including non debunked in your criteria.

If your looking for an all encompassing holywood worthy tale then I think MJ12 has to be up there.

MJ12 Info

Disclaimer: I in no way admit to agreeing with any of the information in this link and refuse to be rightfully ridiculed for it's inclusion in this thread.

I really like the MJ12 project, very intriguing and contains lots of information - thanks

i'll give this page another day and then narrow down my options a lot of interesting stuff though having a blast reading these

originally posted by: astra001uk
A guy called James Jesus Angleton may interest you the things he oversaw make me wish I had known a lot more about him and what he must have encountered
www.ufoevidence.org...

that's awesome, perfect character.

a reply to: nonspecific

Interesting.

The CIA was formed is September of 1947 and the Roswell incident happened in July of 1947 though.

Either way that is an interesting view on the entire thing.

originally posted by: Razmijix
a reply to: nonspecific

Interesting.

The CIA was formed is September of 1947 and the Roswell incident happened in July of 1947 though.

Either way that is an interesting view on the entire thing.

As I say it was sceptic overlord that suggested it, It may not have been the CIA it could have been the miliatary.

Interesting timing if thats the case though?

a reply to: nonspecific

Yeah,no doubt it is very interesting.

originally posted by: Razmijix
a reply to: nonspecific

Yeah,no doubt it is very interesting.

What makes it more interesting is that I contacted him after reading it and although he got back to me he was a little vauge in his response.

Did they get to him, has he been silenced?

the plot thickens...