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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: StoutBroux
Why ridiculous?
There is no evidence that homeopathy works, anywhere. Unless you have some handy link to research which suggests otherwise?

Hmmm - then why do to the English Royals use it nearly exclusively?

I've had very good results from homeopathic remedies for myself and honestly don't care if it is a placebo effect or not as long as it works.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: StoutBroux
Why ridiculous?
There is no evidence that homeopathy works, anywhere. Unless you have some handy link to research which suggests otherwise?

Hmmm - then why do to the English Royals use it nearly exclusively?

Have you heard the tripe that comes out of Prince Charles's mouth?

Regardless, who cares? This is an appeal to authority fallacy. Or an appeal to royalty... something I thought you Americans would be weary of

How can anyone claim that the British royals use homeopathy exclusively?
ATS never fails to surprise me.

a reply to: FyreByrd

originally posted by: GetHyped

Have you heard the tripe that comes out of Prince Charles's mouth?

Regardless, who cares? This is an appeal to authority fallacy. Or an appeal to royalty... something I thought you Americans would be weary of

No it wasn't an appeal to authority - just a rhetorical question.

As I said, I've seen excellent results from homeopathics and will continue to use them knowing that it could be a comepletely placebo effect - either way - if it works don't fix it.

originally posted by: Atsbhct
How can anyone claim that the British royals use homeopathy exclusively?
ATS never fails to surprise me.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Read what I actually said: nearly exclusively - two words, the first modifying the second.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: anticitizen

The more and more we learn about the world, the less and less magical beliefs are required to explain nature. I'm not exactly holding out for future scientific discoveries validating magic water. Cool appeal to ignorance fallacy, though.

Do you know what an 'appeal to ignorance' fallacy is?

Definition: An appeal to ignorance uses lack of evidence (for or against) as the basis of the argument. For example, if something can’t be disproven, it must be true!

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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: anticitizen

It's not a matter of "will science ever explain homeopathy?".

We don't need to understand the mechanism behind it (magic, unicorn farts, whatever), we can easily demonstrate whether or not it actually works.

It doesn't, mechanism be damned.

So: not only is the explanation a bunch of magical hokum, it doesn't even work.

This is really interesting. If this were a meta-study about the effects humans have on global warming the very people who are praising the wonders of scienticfic analysis instead would be crying 'foul' and 'conspiracy'.

Got love the inconsistacy.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: StoutBroux
You do actually understand how 'small' these doses are in homeopathy yeah?
Active ingredients in medical drugs are vastly higher, so I still don't see your claim standing up.

After reading the replies from most of the people who are defending homeopathy I think it is safe to say that the vast majority of them have no clue as to what it is.

This isn't surprising news to you is it?

Nope

The only thing that's surprising me is that some still haven't looked up what it is.


Should I tell them its only water?

Don't forget about the spiders! *shudder*

" Homeopathy is an alternative form of medicine that uses very small doses of harmful substances—which may cause symptoms in a healthy person—to treat those same symptoms in someone who’s ill. Some think that the “memory” of the original substance (usually chemicals or plant and animal material) retained in the highly diluted preparations will help provoke the body into action. Others say homeopathy is not only ineffective, it’s dangerous, especially when used as a substitute for approved treatments with a good record of safety and effectiveness."
That sounds similar to chemo therapy. I suppose the difference is they just blast it through your veins. Seems reasonable. Why not?

a reply to: FyreByrd

Er... what? Is it national "make up an argument and attribute it to someone else" day?

a reply to: FyreByrd

Yes, which is why I used it to describe that post. Any further questions?

originally posted by: FyreByrd
Hmmm - then why do to the English Royals use it nearly exclusively?

What makes you claim that?

This is so accurate

a reply to: DjembeJedi

The one thing I hate more than anything is the way organic remedies get lumped in with homeopathy--they are two completely different things.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: StoutBroux
Why ridiculous?
There is no evidence that homeopathy works, anywhere. Unless you have some handy link to research which suggests otherwise?

Hmmm - then why do to the English Royals use it nearly exclusively?

I've had very good results from homeopathic remedies for myself and honestly don't care if it is a placebo effect or not as long as it works.

ONE English Royal (Charlie) and he's as mad as a box of frogs.
edzardernst.com...

The others benefit from having their health looked after by real health professionals using real medicine.

originally posted by: Flesh699
" Homeopathy is an alternative form of medicine that uses very small doses of harmful substances—which may cause symptoms in a healthy person—to treat those same symptoms in someone who’s ill. Some think that the “memory” of the original substance (usually chemicals or plant and animal material) retained in the highly diluted preparations will help provoke the body into action. Others say homeopathy is not only ineffective, it’s dangerous, especially when used as a substitute for approved treatments with a good record of safety and effectiveness."
That sounds similar to chemo therapy. I suppose the difference is they just blast it through your veins. Seems reasonable. Why not?

No, the difference is that chemo has been proven to work and can be reproduced.
It's mechanism of action can be described too.
Neither of these can be said for homeopathy.

In fact there is no-one who can exactly describe the mechanism of action for homeopathy using the scientific method.

Is interesting to see that the main issue here is not about homeopathy and already criticized report, the thread has turned into a thrashing bashing back and forward discussion.

People would fall flat on their butts trying to tell others how bad their choices are, hell if you don't like something don't do it, don't eat it, don't use it, but stop bashing those that swear by it and are not pushing it on you.

Only those that complain the most about what others do or not are the ones that have the most to lose when it works for others.

Homeopathy works for some and they are happy with it, so what is to any that keep repeating, that is magic, crap and junk, why the percussion.

I would challenge anyone who wants to disprove homeopathy, try this. next time you have a blunt trauma and a bruise, get some arnica montana homeopathic cream. Draw anything you like on the bruise the first day of it showing up. An s, a cross, cover half, whatever, and the next day that part will be drastically lighter or gone, while the rest of the bruise remains the same. I had surgery twice for two different right inguinal hernias. The first time I used no remedy. There was bruising, dark purple and black, for about 2 weeks. The second time I used the arnica cream on the bruising..... The interesting thing was, I just applied it like an ointment, thinking I covered the whole thing....interestingly there were streaks in the bruise where I had missed it with the cream, and yet all the rest was almost completely gone by the second day. Its a simple and cheap experiment, try it yourself. Or don't, I don't really care, but works for me, and I will keep using it.

originally posted by: marg6043

Only those that complain the most about what others do or not are the ones that have the most to lose when it works for others.

Keep telling yourself that...

a reply to: marg6043

Usually you are grounded so I just want to make sure you know what you are advocating here. I say that because you claimed acupuncture was part of Homeopathy earlier in the thread but it really isn't. I am thinking that you may be operating from a mistaken definition of Homeopathy.

Naturopathic physicians are licensed acupuncturists.

Homeopathic physicians mix water drops together and call it medicine.

Homeopathy claims that dilution of a substance like 1 drop of opium in 1,000,000,000,000 drops of water is the highest potency because they believe water has a memory dilution makes it stronger.

That type of dilution means it is only water.



Please tell me you simply mistook Homeopathy for Naturopathy they are two distinctly different things however they do sound the same.