What is a more extreme position? Conspiracies don't happen or Conspiracies always happen?

What is a more extreme position? Conspiracies don't happen or Conspiracies always happen?
What is the more extreme position? Believing everything is a conspiracy or believing conspiracies never happen?


What has history shown us about conspiracies and about the people that conduct the conspiracies?

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Can't they both be equally extreme?

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Given the extreme difficulties it takes to pull off most conspiracies I see being talked about, I would say it's more extreme to suggest that conspiracies always happen.

We know that conspiracies do happen, but for every magnitude greater they get, it gets that much harder to believe so many people could willingly stay silent for so long. The best, most believable conspiracies are also the smallest.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Both positions are equally extreme, in my opinion. Like most issues, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I almost left this site completely awhile back because EVERY single item in the news is deemed a conspiracy by some of the people here. Sometimes, # just happens.

While I do believe that conspiracies have occurred in the past and continue to occur today, I don't view every single item in the news as some sort of social control scheme cooked up by "The Powers That Be". It's important to differentiate between random events or events in which evil simply occurs because it can, and the broader more organized "conspiracies".

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Both positions are equally extreme, in my opinion. Like most issues, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I almost left this site completely awhile back because EVERY single item in the news is deemed a conspiracy by some of the people here. Sometimes, # just happens.

While I do believe that conspiracies have occurred in the past and continue to occur today, I don't view every single item in the news as some sort of social control scheme cooked up by "The Powers That Be". It's important to differentiate between random events or events in which evil simply occurs because it can, and the broader more organized "conspiracies".

Yes, but....

We know "conspiracies" happen (even if they are a made-up hoax).
To state is not extreme, it is simple a mater of fact.

But where there is a hoax, there is also an agenda waiting to exploit the hoax.
Those who gain POWER with FEAR stand to gain by every "conspiracy" even
if they did not happen, and even if THEY did not "conspire" (dream it) up.

Agenda's happen.

a reply to: wasaka

Yes, but an agenda is NOT a conspiracy.

I know that the media has their agendas. But everyone should know that by now. If everyone knows it, it's not a conspiracy which are by their very nature, hidden and secret.

Yeachh! Not even sure how that got to be a double post.

Please delete.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Both are equally unlikely.

Well conspiracies happen...

& they have throughout all of history...


So clearly it's more extreme to say they never happen...



Because conspiracies do always happen...



That doesn't mean everything is a conspiracy though...

Which is the alternative I think you were really trying to highlight...

Which is extreme...
But not impossible.


So not as extreme as "never happen".

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Both positions are equally extreme, in my opinion. Like most issues, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I almost left this site completely awhile back because EVERY single item in the news is deemed a conspiracy by some of the people here. Sometimes, # just happens.

While I do believe that conspiracies have occurred in the past and continue to occur today, I don't view every single item in the news as some sort of social control scheme cooked up by "The Powers That Be". It's important to differentiate between random events or events in which evil simply occurs because it can, and the broader more organized "conspiracies".

What do you think is a real conspiracy?

I want to know.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I have to disagree. It is more extreme to say that everything is a conspiracy because it is impossible for everything to be a conspiracy. There are some things that are just too big in scope to effectively be a conspiracy.

Think about 9/11. Logistically speaking, it's pretty impossible to imagine that being a conspiracy the way some talk about it. In some circles, you have an entire airline full of disappeared people out there, or at least all the people who "helped" them disappear ... You think you can easily keep all those people quiet and effectively hide all that? It strains believability.

It's easier to believe in events like Waco and Ruby Ridge. They feature less people in the loop. Easier to keep it quiet. Or the Kennedy assassination.

Or the idea of shadowy world cabals ...

The bigger it is, the harder it's going to be to hide for long.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes, but an agenda is NOT a conspiracy.

Yes, but all conspiracies ARE driven by an agenda.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Both positions are equally extreme, in my opinion. Like most issues, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I almost left this site completely awhile back because EVERY single item in the news is deemed a conspiracy by some of the people here. Sometimes, # just happens.

While I do believe that conspiracies have occurred in the past and continue to occur today, I don't view every single item in the news as some sort of social control scheme cooked up by "The Powers That Be". It's important to differentiate between random events or events in which evil simply occurs because it can, and the broader more organized "conspiracies".

What do you think is a real conspiracy?

I want to know.

- JFK being shot in Dallas.
- Boris Nemtsov being shot in Red Square.
- Any such assassination...

a reply to: real_one

That's a useless statement all people's actions are driven by agenda. Everyone has an agenda. All groups have an agenda. It gives them direction and purpose. Having an agenda isn't necessarily a bad thing.

a reply to: ketsuko

Why do you need to hide a conspiracy when you can leave it out in the open?


What if you kill/threaten all the people involved and monitor them?

Would that keep them quiet?

What about compartmentalizing the conspiracy so that only the very small amount of administrative planners/strategists and pointmen know whats really going on? I see corporations doing this one all the time to thwart corporate espionage and IP/Trade secret theft.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Both positions are equally extreme, in my opinion. Like most issues, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I almost left this site completely awhile back because EVERY single item in the news is deemed a conspiracy by some of the people here. Sometimes, # just happens.

While I do believe that conspiracies have occurred in the past and continue to occur today, I don't view every single item in the news as some sort of social control scheme cooked up by "The Powers That Be". It's important to differentiate between random events or events in which evil simply occurs because it can, and the broader more organized "conspiracies".

What do you think is a real conspiracy?

I want to know.

The creation of the war on drugs.
Iran Contra
Nixon Watergate scandal

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

What do you think is a real conspiracy?

I want to know.

People over analyze the meaning of conspiracy and automatically think it's something sinister. There are many types of conspiracies.

If me and a group of friends conspire to play a joke on another friend, we have formed a conspiracy to proceed and and action what we've conspired.

If a co-worker and I conspire to make the current task last longer to make our day a little easier, that is a conspiracy, is it not?

So it's not too far fetched to consider our elected officials who conspire against us on a daily basis to be conspirators, no?

In my opinion, the people who deny every conspiracy are the extreme. I mean really, I've seen people on here say conspiracies do not exist. Even though that day they probably participated in some sort of conspiracy without even knowing it, regardless how minor the conspiracy is.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's a useless statement all people's actions are driven by agenda.

This is your misguided opinion, not a fact, and it's irrelevant to what I posted.

Everyone has an agenda.

You have made that quite clear, very clear to be exact. What's your agenda in regards to intentionally misrepresenting what I posted?

All groups have an agenda.

Is this another one of your misguided opinions or do you have facts to back this up.

It gives them direction and purpose.

Forget "them", whats the purpose behind your agenda?

Having an agenda isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The first thing in your post that actually made sense

a reply to: real_one

I really don't know where your disagreement lies since you didn't elaborate on why you think I am wrong. Why do you disagree that all people have an agenda? Would you not consider that someone practicing guitar everyday would have an agenda to become proficient in guitar? Would you not consider that someone going to work everyday has an agenda to further their career and make more money? I fail to see how you can make a rational argument that not all people or groups have agendas and that agendas. The only thing you agreed with me on is that agendas aren't necessarily sinister.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: ketsuko

Why do you need to hide a conspiracy when you can leave it out in the open?

Fabian-style socialism did just that with the help of H.G. Wells and (what he called) his most important book: "The Open Conspiracy: Blueprint for New World Order" (1928)