Jesus' house discovered

I detect a lot of hate in posts repudiating they found the house Jesus suckled in as a baby.

According to the story they had to abandon their home and seek refuge in Egypt, the whole killing off every firstborn atrocity to try to eradicate him. Seems today something is still trying to eradicate that he existed.

originally posted by: Unity_99

originally posted by: roth1

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: Kantzveldt

This is great evidence that Jesus is real. Did they find any ancient writings in the house or area?

What evidence? An old hose in a village from back then that might have been his. You are assuming him first and attributing the house to him.

This is the thing. A house is found, the rest is just wishful thinking.

At last , a voice of reason.
well put , my friend .

There is no hate. Even if I was still a practicing Christian, and like Christians more than the other two Judaic religions, the leap in logic from finding A HOUSE, to deciding who lives there when there is nothing to tell us that, is not logical, not scientific, not factual in the least. A HOUSE doe not uphold all the scriptures by its discovery. Millions upon millions of people lived in houses in those days.

originally posted by: Unity_99
There is no hate. Even if I was still a practicing Christian, and like Christians more than the other two Judaic religions, the leap in logic from finding A HOUSE, to deciding who lives there when there is nothing to tell us that, is not logical, not scientific, not factual in the least. A HOUSE doe not uphold all the scriptures by its discovery. Millions upon millions of people lived in houses in those days.

Keep telling yourself that.
This is no ordinary house, as evidenced by its historical context throughout the ages which they clearly documented in the story.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

That means that the holy family likely only lived there for a year or two max. That really isn't much time to remember who lived in the house 30 some years later when he was supposed to have become famous or 100+ years later when the gospels were supposedly written.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
This is no ordinary house, as evidenced by its historical context throughout the ages which they clearly documented in the story.

...well, can't say that either. No evidence has emerged that constitutes proof of any connection to Christ.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Why assume anyone lied...?


a reply to: TinfoilTP

It is a bit strange that people can't accept Jesus lived in a house and this is probably it...

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

It is certainly a nice claim to investigate, but it isn't definitive proof of anything. Sure, there is a possibility that these claims are real, but with the evidence we have there is equal possibility that they are lies. We can't know for sure and to definitively say that it is the house of Jesus because you want it to be is intellectually dishonest. When studying history, we want REAL history not history that makes us feel good.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

That means that the holy family likely only lived there for a year or two max. That really isn't much time to remember who lived in the house 30 some years later when he was supposed to have become famous or 100+ years later when the gospels were supposedly written.

Why? After he had a following those people would have been very interested in anything related to him after he was gone. Think of how easy it is to find the dwelling of any famous person from lets say the Civil War era in the US. Take Abraham Lincoln for example, we can easily find where he lived. Or the house of George Washington.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Why assume anyone lied...?

Why assume that they are telling the truth? Why assume anything? I am just giving a possibility that could be true with the given evidence. There isn't enough evidence to say that it was Jesus' house. There are local claims, but they could be lies, so without evidence they mean squat.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
I detect a lot of hate in posts repudiating they found the house Jesus suckled in as a baby.

According to the story they had to abandon their home and seek refuge in Egypt, the whole killing off every firstborn atrocity to try to eradicate him. Seems today something is still trying to eradicate that he existed.

Nah mate.
Just some of us refuse to believe in fairy stories.

How many people have died in the name of religion ?
How many have killed to protect their beliefs ?
Wars have been fought and millions have died and for what ?

Religion has no place in any decent , logical thinking society and should have been left where it belonged.....In the dark ages.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

It is certainly a nice claim to investigate, but it isn't definitive proof of anything. Sure, there is a possibility that these claims are real, but with the evidence we have there is equal possibility that they are lies. We can't know for sure and to definitively say that it is the house of Jesus because you want it to be is intellectually dishonest. When studying history, we want REAL history not history that makes us feel good.

Did I not say that?

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

That means that the holy family likely only lived there for a year or two max. That really isn't much time to remember who lived in the house 30 some years later when he was supposed to have become famous or 100+ years later when the gospels were supposedly written.

Why? After he had a following those people would have been very interested in anything related to him after he was gone. Think of how easy it is to find the dwelling of any famous person from lets say the Civil War era in the US. Take Abraham Lincoln for example, we can easily find where he lived. Or the house of George Washington.

George Washington lived in a HUGE house and there are public records of him doing so. There are also public records of where Lincoln lived along with private writings. These are all primary and secondary sources that would corroborate local communities' claims that these people lived there. There are literally ZERO records of where Jesus lived. No writings, nothing. Just claims from people who lived hundreds of years after Jesus in allegedly the same town he was born.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Unity_99
There is no hate. Even if I was still a practicing Christian, and like Christians more than the other two Judaic religions, the leap in logic from finding A HOUSE, to deciding who lives there when there is nothing to tell us that, is not logical, not scientific, not factual in the least. A HOUSE doe not uphold all the scriptures by its discovery. Millions upon millions of people lived in houses in those days.

Keep telling yourself that.
This is no ordinary house, as evidenced by its historical context throughout the ages which they clearly documented in the story.

Is this some kind of giant psy op, trying to see if people are so mind glazedly stupid, they will accept something that has no proof or facts related to it.

Could see this going down the road to finalizing the finding of an old building, to it being most definitely the actual home of a famous person, though there is absolutely no proof, to it being taught in history and to people accusing you of athiesm if you challenge the official facts, and god forbid, if we go back in primitive times with extremist theocracy, being killed for challenging something that is LUDICROUS.

Do TPTB really think we're that tiny pea brained?!!!

They are, you shrink love and compassion and ritually sacrifice people your soul shrinks in size.

To find something and declare it most definitely as a home of an ancient figure, is not professional, not done by any professional.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Sorry, lot's going on in the thread. If you were agreeing with me my bad.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Sorry, lot's going on in the thread. If you were agreeing with me my bad.

No probs....but watch the video for context. It's even funnier if you have any familiarity with the Inuit, or the politics surrounding Franklin.

originally posted by: Gideon70

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
I detect a lot of hate in posts repudiating they found the house Jesus suckled in as a baby.

According to the story they had to abandon their home and seek refuge in Egypt, the whole killing off every firstborn atrocity to try to eradicate him. Seems today something is still trying to eradicate that he existed.

Nah mate.
Just some of us refuse to believe in fairy stories.

How many people have died in the name of religion ?
How many have killed to protect their beliefs ?
Wars have been fought and millions have died and for what ?

Religion has no place in any decent , logical thinking society.

So you hate religion. Think of how many people were comforted in their last days because of religion, or how many people religion takes in and provides real help in desperate moments. Millions upon millions of undocumented acts of kindness all happened and continue to happen because of religion. It is only the marriage of State and Religion that you are referring to, which is a bastardization of any religion.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TinfoilTP

That means that the holy family likely only lived there for a year or two max. That really isn't much time to remember who lived in the house 30 some years later when he was supposed to have become famous or 100+ years later when the gospels were supposedly written.

Why? After he had a following those people would have been very interested in anything related to him after he was gone. Think of how easy it is to find the dwelling of any famous person from lets say the Civil War era in the US. Take Abraham Lincoln for example, we can easily find where he lived. Or the house of George Washington.

George Washington lived in a HUGE house and there are public records of him doing so. There are also public records of where Lincoln lived along with private writings. These are all primary and secondary sources that would corroborate local communities' claims that these people lived there. There are literally ZERO records of where Jesus lived. No writings, nothing. Just claims from people who lived hundreds of years after Jesus in allegedly the same town he was born.

At the time when they marked the house as special, lets say even one hundred years later, the people of the time would have known the significance of the house, and that significance is documented in the story.
Two thousand years from now the paperwork on Lincoln's home will not exist either, but the archeological dig at his home site will show it was treated differently than other sites of the same era.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Gideon70

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
I detect a lot of hate in posts repudiating they found the house Jesus suckled in as a baby.

According to the story they had to abandon their home and seek refuge in Egypt, the whole killing off every firstborn atrocity to try to eradicate him. Seems today something is still trying to eradicate that he existed.

Nah mate.
Just some of us refuse to believe in fairy stories.

How many people have died in the name of religion ?
How many have killed to protect their beliefs ?
Wars have been fought and millions have died and for what ?

Religion has no place in any decent , logical thinking society.

So you hate religion. Think of how many people were comforted in their last days because of religion, or how many people religion takes in and provides real help in desperate moments. Millions upon millions of undocumented acts of kindness all happened and continue to happen because of religion. It is only the marriage of State and Religion that you are referring to, which is a bastardization of any religion.

You are very wrong . You ASSUME I hate religion when in reality I really don't care for fantasies.
Religion is just a crutch for the weak and the people terrified of their own mortality.

Each religion is intolerant , greedy , bigotted and murderous. This by far outweighs any chartitable deeds.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Again, there is PLENTY of contemporaneous evidence explaining where Lincoln lived including his own writings. But, if after 2000 years none of this evidence survives then the historians of that era would be just as intellectually dishonest in pointing out Lincoln's house as we would be trying to say that this place is Jesus' house. You cannot inference a fact based on shaky evidence. If the evidence doesn't exist to make a definitive claim then you just leave it ambiguous even if the the claim is in reality true.

Your reasoning is just a bunch of justifications for your confirmation bias. Drop your confirmation bias then look at the evidence and see what it says.