BREAKING: LAPD shooting homeless man

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: doompornjunkie

If you said they were saying it to give him/her a label then sure.

You were the one that said they were going out of their way to call him a homeless man, I just said that he was what he was.

I'm just trying to deny ignorance, be it factual ignorance, perceived ignorance, mathematical ignorance, emotional ignorance, etc.

I (strongly) feel that you are using emotional ignorance to sway opinion in your direction.

How does the man being homeless address what happened?

You can say you are just (paraphrase) repeating the headlines, but shouldn't we be better than that?

Trying to victimize a provocateur is only worthy of the Yahoo message boards, lawyers, and politicians.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

I'm over this, the only time I even brought it up was just to point that he was in fact a homeless person.

How is it ignorant to call him what he was?

a reply to: windword

swatting at ghosts and what not. It's a crazy, bat sh$T crazy, place!

Those cops brought the crazy. They probably think like you, all fraidy cat all the time.

a reply to: Sremmos80

What does it matter who or what he was?

All that matter is what he did. Anything else, especially his socio economic status is to promote bias.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

It only mattered to you so far.
All I said was yes, he was in fact a homeless person.

I already said that fighting with the cops is a bad idea and that if he went for the gun then fine.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: doompornjunkie

It only mattered to you so far.
All I said was yes, he was in fact a homeless person.

I already said that fighting with the cops is a bad idea and that if he went for the gun then fine.

Incorrect, I'm just the only one so far that has called it out.

Homeless, black, teen, mother, etc are all used to generate a reliable outcome for a story, but in reality have no bearing on said story.

It said that the officers were responding to a robbery call, but it does not say whether this guy was a suspect or involved, only that supposedly, he was fighting in a tent with someone, they tased him and dragged him out, then the fighting started, and then they shot him. If the dude did indeed grab the cop's gun, then he pretty much sealed his fate, and I can't fault the cops for shooting him. To be honest, there is really not enough information here yet to really come to any conclusions, so I shall reserve judgement until more information is available and confirmed.

The questions I would want answered before passing any judgement would be the events that led up to the moment the video started recording, if the cops had already been chasing him for another crime or did they just happen upon him and decided to do something then, whether or not he had serious mental illness like schizophrenia, the relationship of the woman in the video to the man, ect. Granted, while grabbing a cop's club and holding it like that is asking to get tackled, if the man was say a close friend or relative, I could see her instinctively wanting to protect him, even from cops.

Anyway, I'll hold off on judgement till more info comes along. Too early.

Oops wrong thread

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Ya took a listen and still don't hear that, hear get off my gun.
And doom, he is what he is, a homeless man.

He definitely fought with the police, and we all know that is a death sentence

According to the LA Times article in the edited OP, he just got out of spending 10 yrs in a mental facility. As we all know mental patients and police get along very well. My guess is, he fought so hard because he thought they were coming to take him back, or God knows what was running through his brain. They woman may have been trying to protect him and may not be all there herself. Hopefully they'll follow up on that.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

Ya called out some fantasy point that they are going out of their way to call him homeless to gain sympathy.
Again, the man was homeless that is a fact in the story.

Also, last time I checked, homeless people don't garner that much sympathy these days so not really sure your point there.
They are usually seen as miscreants that are a burden on society.

a reply to: Anyafaj

That does shed some light on things, gives some context on why he may have acted in the way he did.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: doompornjunkie

Ya called out some fantasy point that they are going out of their way to call him homeless to gain sympathy.
Again, the man was homeless that is a fact in the story.

Also, last time I checked, homeless people don't garner that much sympathy these days so not really sure your point there.
They are usually seen as miscreants that are a burden on society.

Funny.. I could find you about a dozen threads demonizing the rich, but only about 0 naming the homeless as burdening miscreants.

Have any facts to back that statement up? Like a general poll of how the people feel about the homeless?

It wasn't a 'fantasy point', it was obvious bias. Your statement "doom, he is what he is, a homeless man" makes absolutely no sense other than to bias. It has no real meaning other than to victimize. It's pure, smelly, sticky, BS.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Anyafaj

That does shed some light on things, gives some context on why he may have acted in the way he did.

Don't worry for some, that makes it worse. Now he's even lower than low and definitely deserved what he got. Watch.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

You can't find 12 threads demonizing those on social programs on this site? I highly doubt that.
And that is one step above, even in some eyes, from being homeless.

www.alternet.org...

We have demonized homeless people so much over the last 30 years that passersby don’t think they can ever end up on the street because they’re not crazy, they’re not drug addicted, they’re not alcoholics and they’re not stupid.”

Here was just the first thing that came up in google

I said what I said in response to this

As for the 'homeless man' ( always have to use terms to make the person sound more weak/innocent/victimized)

You are implying they are going out of their way to call him homeless.
I simply said that he is what he is, homeless.

Agree to disagree, sad day a guy decided to fight cops and die.

Yeah i always wonder why four guy can't hold a guy and handcuff him. Instead the stand around pinch and kick for a while first. If they would subdue the guy instead of beating on him. If would not escalate. Come on four guys really? Only takes two to have control. One to take him down and hold him. The other to cuff. They need better training. And yes i am that skilled to handle a situation. Been there many times. If they can't handle the training they should not be in the job, period. Now this crap out there where they don't have to know the laws they are arresting you for. BS. To much protecting them from criminal prosecution. Not above the law. I think actually they should serve more time if caught. Just for being hypocrites too. Supposed to uphold the law but break it. Knowing better than others what the laws are. GUILTY.

How long until the riots?

originally posted by: BerenstEiner
How long until the riots?

Want to see how cynical I've become? Depends, what color was he? No one riots over a white dead mental homeless guy.

I wonder what the guys crime was before the Police got involved. ?

originally posted by: BerenstEiner
How long until the riots?

Tick Tock.

originally posted by: Mikeyy
Sounds like during the scuffle the Homeless guy took one of the officers guns. So Yeah at that point they have to shoot him.

Also that lady deserved to be arrested also, that was just retarded.

Why do people get so up in arms about these dummies that have run in's with the law? They are stupid, it's why it happens to them.

The homeless guy had total control over how far this was going to go. he decided to test out Darwin's theories and paid the price.

If you have 4 cops tacking and fighting with you, then you are doing something very wrong, and need to just stop, and let it get settled when everybody calms down.

I never hope that one day somebody who you know has a run in with the law, has done nothing wrong and resists arrest - the weapon drops near him and then the police assume your friend/family has tried taken it and then shoots him dead in cold murder.

Bet you wouldn't be sayign the same thing about these "dummies"

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