An Israeli Insult

originally posted by: AnAbsoluteCreation
a reply to: flyandi

Ok. Forget the (as it obviously speaks for itself). And prove me wrong then. You can't. If you try to prove me wrong you will find that there is mo evidence to support you claim.

Stop talking and prove me wrong.

AAC

Let's start with this document: jcpa.org...

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

I've made my points.

You have made no points. You made influenced opinions.

If I have a choice between Iran and Israel, I choose Israel. Both in support...even to live there.

Ok.

It's not even close. Your Facts are B.S.. Simple.

Yet you can't be bothered to prove them wrong. Great mind you have there, Einstein.

Muslims live well in Israel.

Where the hell did you hear that?

Jew or Christians in Iran? Not so well. Nor women. Nor opposition parties.

Again. You post another fallacy. Jews sit on Iranian parliament. 6 years ago Israel offered to pay every Jew in Iran 40,000 and a place to live yo leave Iran and move to Israel. Not one Jew left. Yeah, they must have it bad.

Just another false reality you believe in.

seriously, how can you still be confident in anything you think anymore. It's all incorrect. Lol

AAC

Also this here:

www.google.com...

Check some of the bases, although some are used by the US as refilling stations, they are actually not US bases.

So you can't just say that the US have bases all around Iran because that's not true - if you want to convert that to a fact than you may just recognize that Russia has a military base in Cuba because they regularly refuel their planes there.

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

Good enough mind to know it's a waste of my time....

a reply to: flyandi

You posted a Jewish document. Seriously, I'm laughing my butt off.

Read this, from Washington post.

this should explain it for you.

The Facts
The firestorm started when Nazila Fathi, then the Tehran correspondent of The New York Times, reported a story almost six years ago that was headlined: “Wipe Israel ‘off the map’ Iranian says.” The article attributed newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s remarks to a report by the ISNA press agency.
The article sparked outrage around the globe, with then-President George W. Bush and other world leaders condemning Ahmadinejad’s statement. The original New York Times article noted that Ahmadinejad said he was quoting Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic revolution, but that aspect was largely overlooked.

Then, specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.

Cole said this week that in the 1980s Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.” But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.
Ahmadinejad slightly misquoted Khomeini, substituting “safheh-i ruzgar,” or “page of time" for "sahneh-i ruzgar" or “arena of time.” But in any case, the old translation was dug up and used again by the Iranian news agency, Cole says. In fact, that’s how it was presented for years on Ahmadinejad’s English-language Web site, as the Times noted in a somewhat defensive article on the translation debate.

But the story doesn’t end there. Karim Sadjadpour, an Iranian specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, notes that Iranian government entities began to erect billboards and signs with the “wipe off” phrase in English. Joshua Teitelbaum of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs compiled an interesting collection of photographs of these banners, such as one on the building that houses reserve military forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world,” the sign reads in English.

Teitelbaum’s report, while written from a pro-Israel perspective, includes a number of threatening statements about Israel that are similar in tone to Ahmadinejad’s controversial statement.

In 2000, Khamenei stated, “Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.” He went on to say in the same speech that “Palestinian refugees should return and Muslims, Christians and Jews could choose a government for themselves, excluding immigrant Jews.”

Sadjadpour, who has closely studied the statements of Khamenei, said that the supreme leader has spoken more on the question of Israel than any other issue, which is remarkable given that Iran shares no border with Israel and that the Jewish state has virtually no impact on the daily lives of Iranians. Sadjadpour said Khamenei has been consistent, stating repeatedly that the goal is not the military destruction of the Jewish state but “the defeat of Zionist ideology and the dissolution of Israel through a ‘popular referendum.’”

Of course, an Israeli might conclude that such an outcome would be the destruction of the Jewish state in any case.

AAC

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

P.S. then why do I have friends from Iran who are Jewish that now live in L.A.??

A bit more Absolute B.S.

Oh, yes. Iran just rejected Obama's ten year plan. Says Obama was rude....

Well now what????

BwaaHaHaHa

[* SURPRISE: Iran Rejects Obama’s 10-Year Nuke Deal *]

It’s news that will shock no one who’s actually paid attention to Obama’s give-them-everything-and-take-nothing negotiations with the nuclear ambitious leaders of Iran.

News broke Tuesday that Iranian negotiators have rejected what they’re calling an “excessive and illogical” demand by Obama to halt all nuclear activity for at least 10 years.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said Obama’s proposal was “unacceptable and threatening,” BBC News reports

a reply to: nwtrucker

Thank you for conceding to the fact that you cannot prove your truths. You just believe. Discover truth. It's the only way. However, when you do, you will be forced yo see the corrupt world we live in.

AAC

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well now what????

BwaaHaHaHa

[* SURPRISE: Iran Rejects Obama’s 10-Year Nuke Deal *]

It’s news that will shock no one who’s actually paid attention to Obama’s give-them-everything-and-take-nothing negotiations with the nuclear ambitious leaders of Iran.

News broke Tuesday that Iranian negotiators have rejected what they’re calling an “excessive and illogical” demand by Obama to halt all nuclear activity for at least 10 years.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said Obama’s proposal was “unacceptable and threatening,” BBC News reports

I think you are a bit too jumpy. It's a negotiation. It's not planned to end until June.

Did you really think you had something with that?

AAC

a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah,

NOW what? Cut Boehner and Yahoo loose to cause havoc? And then we all 'cry havoc'?

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

P.S. then why do I have friends from Iran who are Jewish that now live in L.A.??

A bit more Absolute B.S.

Oh, yes. Iran just rejected Obama's ten year plan. Says Obama was rude....

Because they were rich and escaped the revolution. I live in Los angeles and have many Jewish Iranian friends.

Your point?

AAC

Double punk.

a reply to: nwtrucker Give it up, Dude. He doesn't want to know the truth. Most liberals think with western eyes, not global. They see things from what they think is the 'American way'. The don't LEARN from the past and look only at the moment and the ability to quote history...selectively. They have the mentality that everyone is equal, everyone is just, everyone is fair, everyone deserves what everyone else has. They look for exceptions, not truth, not facts, not consistency, not proof from former action. Everyone can, has, and will change.
They take one point and beat you to death with it, right or wrong. And do NOT ask them to admit wrong! It'll never happen. Proof means nothing. Facts mean nothing. Logic means nothing..only their delusions. Let him bask in his ignorance and stupor and get on with things. He is a lost cause.
When Iran comes through with nuclear weapons and tries to blow Israel off of the map, maybe then he'll learn. I doubt it, but maybe.

Iran is not innocent entirely, neither is every and any other country on Earth. There is much more guilt on the part of the Western Empire though than Persia.
Lets all be real here, when it comes to a list of terrorism funding and global reach, as well as actual death toll, Iran trails the US and Israel by quite a lot. Israel kills more innocent people in a year with the IDF than Iran has with Hamas over the last decade.

I think it funny that you mentioned also

Iran has very well attacked multiple countries in the past decade. Attacks on rebels in Syria is the most recent example. Iran also launches strikes against ISIS in Iraq. Although that's to our benefits it is still an attack on foreign soil by Iran.

These are the only two instances you can come up with. Mind you, Syria and Iran have a mutual defense pact, so the attacks on western funded terrorists in Syria were a legitimate military response to help their long time ally. Same thing in Iraq, general Qasem Soleimani is helping them lead the fight against ISIS. Politically speaking, Iraq is closer to Iran now than US, thanks in part again as usual to piss poor diplomacy on the part of our bull# Israeli puppet representatives. Iran is not attacking Syria or Iraq, they are aiding in fighting DOD funded terrorists.

The Iraqis themselves are constantly witnessing American supply drops going directly to ISIS.

Last week, Head of the Iraqi Parliament’s National Security and Defense Committee Hakem al-Zameli announced that the helicopters of the US-led anti-ISIL coalition were dropping weapons and foodstuff for the ISIL terrorists in the Southern parts of Tikrit.

He underscored that he had documents and photos showing that the US Apache helicopters airdropped foodstuff and weapons for the ISIL.
Last Monday, a senior lawmaker disclosed that Iraq’s army had shot down two British planes as they were carrying weapons for the ISIL terrorists in Al-Anbar province.

“The Iraqi Parliament’s National Security and Defense Committee has access to the photos of both planes that are British and have crashed while they were carrying weapons for the ISIL,” al-Zameli said, according to a Monday report of the Arabic-language information center of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq.

He said the Iraqi parliament has asked London for explanations in this regard.

The senior Iraqi legislator further unveiled that the government in Baghdad is receiving daily reports from people and security forces in al-Anbar province on numerous flights by the US-led coalition planes that airdrop weapons and supplies for ISIL in terrorist-held areas.

The Iraqi lawmaker further noted the cause of such western aids to the terrorist group, and explained that the US prefers a chaotic situation in Anbar Province which is near the cities of Karbala and Baghdad as it does not want the ISIL crisis to come to an end.

Earlier today, a senior Iraqi provincial official lashed out at the western countries and their regional allies for supporting Takfiri terrorists in Iraq, revealing that US and Israeli-made weapons have been discovered from the areas purged of ISIL terrorists.

“We have discovered weapons made in the US, European countries and Israel from the areas liberated from ISIL’s control in Al-Baqdadi region,” the Al-Ahad news website quoted Head of Al-Anbar Provincial Council Khalaf Tarmouz as saying.

He noted that the weapons made by the European countries and Israel were discovered from the terrorists in the Eastern parts of the city of Ramadi.

Al-Zameli had also disclosed in January that the anti-ISIL coalition’s planes have dropped weapons and foodstuff for the ISIL in Salahuddin, Al-Anbar and Diyala provinces.

Al-Zameli underlined that the coalition is the main cause of ISIL’s survival in Iraq.

“There are proofs and evidence for the US-led coalition’s military aid to ISIL terrorists through air(dropped cargoes),” he told FNA in January.

He noted that the members of his committee have already proved that the US planes have dropped advanced weaponry, including anti-aircraft weapons, for the ISIL, and that it has set up an investigation committee to probe into the matter.

“The US drops weapons for the ISIL on the excuse of not knowing about the whereabouts of the ISIL positions and it is trying to distort the reality with its allegations.

He noted that the committee had collected the data and the evidence provided by eyewitnesses, including Iraqi army officers and the popular forces, and said, “These documents are given to the investigation committee … and the necessary measures will be taken to protect the Iraqi airspace.”

Also in January, another senior Iraqi legislator reiterated that the US-led coalition is the main cause of ISIL’s survival in Iraq.

“The international coalition is only an excuse for protecting the ISIL and helping the terrorist group with equipment and weapons,” Jome Divan, who is member of the al-Sadr bloc in the Iraqi parliament, said.

He said the coalition’s support for the ISIL is now evident to everyone, and continued, “The coalition has not targeted ISIL’s main positions in Iraq.”

In late December, Iraqi Parliamentary Security and Defense Commission MP disclosed that a US plane supplied the ISIL terrorist organization with arms and ammunition in Salahuddin province.

MP Majid al-Gharawi stated that the available information pointed out that US planes are supplying ISIL organization, not only in Salahuddin province, but also other provinces, Iraq TradeLink reported.

He added that the US and the international coalition are “not serious in fighting against the ISIL organization, because they have the technological power to determine the presence of ISIL gunmen and destroy them in one month”.

Gharawi added that “the US is trying to expand the time of the war against the ISIL to get guarantees from the Iraqi government to have its bases in Mosul and Anbar provinces.”

Salahuddin security commission also disclosed that “unknown planes threw arms and ammunition to the ISIL gunmen Southeast of Tikrit city”.

Also in Late December, a senior Iraqi lawmaker raised doubts about the seriousness of the anti-ISIL coalition led by the US, and said that the terrorist group still received aids dropped by unidentified aircraft.

“The international coalition is not serious about air strikes on ISIL terrorists and is even seeking to take out the popular (voluntary) forces from the battlefield against the Takfiris so that the problem with ISIL remains unsolved in the near future,” Nahlah al-Hababi told FNA.

“The ISIL terrorists are still receiving aids from unidentified fighter jets in Iraq and Syria,” she added.

Hababi said that the coalition’s precise airstrikes are launched only in those areas where the Kurdish Pishmarga forces are present, while military strikes in other regions are not so much precise.

We all know of the history behind the Iran Iraq war, but since someone here attempted to the start of that war to Iran, i will just brush him up on history.
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originally posted by: ~Lucidity

Does dual citizenship qualify to check both boxes?

The Iran–Iraq War, also known as the First Persian Gulf War,[30][31][32][33][34] was an armed conflict between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Ba'athist Republic of Iraq lasting from September 1980 to August 1988, making it the 20th century's longest conventional war.[35][36] It was initially referred to in English as the "Gulf War" prior to the Persian Gulf War of the early 1990s.[37]

The Iran–Iraq War began when Iraq invaded Iran via air and land on 22 September 1980. It followed a long history of border disputes, and was motivated by fears that the Iranian Revolution in 1979 would inspire insurgency among Iraq's long-suppressed Shia majority as well as Iraq's desire to replace Iran as the dominant Persian Gulf state. Although Iraq hoped to take advantage of Iran's revolutionary chaos and attacked without formal warning, they made only limited progress into Iran and were quickly repelled; Iran regained virtually all lost territory by June 1982. For the next six years, Iran was on the offensive.

The war cost both sides in lives and economic damage: half a million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers, with an equivalent number of civilians, are believed to have died, with many more injured; however, the war brought neither reparations nor changes in borders. The conflict has been compared to World War I[41]:171 in terms of the tactics used, including large-scale trench warfare with barbed wire stretched across trenches, manned machine-gun posts, bayonet charges, human wave attacks across a no-man's land, and extensive use of chemical weapons such as mustard gas by the Iraqi government against Iranian troops, civilians, and Iraqi Kurds.

Iran-Iraq war

Not only was Iran attacked, by then American ally Hussein, they were also attacked with chemical weapons supplied to Iraq by none other than USA. yet somehow this is evidence that Iran attacks other countries?? Please try again with that one kind sir.

In fact I would wager that we can confirm more unarmed American citizens were shot by American police last year than the number of Israelis killed at all by Hamas activity. That is hardly a threat in my score big. This country needs to completely abandon Israel, allow them to dig themselves out their fabricated hell. f they are God's chosen people, they do not need the protection of false Christians in charge of the largest and most powerful Empire the world has ever known, God will save them

As far as the India embassy fiasco, in which nobody was even killed, I would srmise it was tit for tat reprisal for the assassination of Iran Nuclear scientists

The 2012 attacks on Israeli diplomats occurred on 13 February 2012 after a bomb explosion on an Israeli diplomatic car in New Delhi, India, wounding one embassy staff member, a local employee and two passers-by. Another bomb planted in a car in Tbilisi, Georgia failed to explode and was defused by Georgian police.
Yoram Cohen, the chief of Shin Bet, said that Iranian agents were seeking revenge for covert Israeli operations, including the assassinations of Iranian scientists.

All of this documentation I just posted paints a fairly pathetic picture of Iran as the #1 global source of terrorism. American and Israeli created and funded ISIS killed more in the last six months than Iran has in the last 20 years.

"Try again mutha #a"
-Angry customer in a music shop

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

See? Right? Yes: We need a write-in option where we can say "NONE OF THE ABOVE, BUT I WAS HERE."

a reply to: DYepes

Dude. They don't like facts here. They're allergic.

AAC

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

well I am aware of that, I just need them there to show I actually research things instead of repeating unsubstantiated sound bites from Israels political slaves (congress) and establishment media. In fact there is a really nice piece on Global research right now, Fifty Years of Imperial Wars: Global Neoliberalism and America’s Drive for World Domination

Probably would be a punch in the gut though for most. First step to understanding how the world works is to understand how simple the objectives of the power brokers really are. $$$$$ and only $$$$$. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. If im not mistaken, Iran and NK are the last holdouts against the house of the red shield. I suspect Cuba finally sold out and that is why ties are normalizing.