Watch the FCC Net Neutrality Meeting Live: Open Internet Passes in 3-2 Vote.

a reply to: GodEmperor

If a company is selling an inferior product, don't buy it.

Thats the grub, the telecom is an Oligopoly and they have successfully created a monopoly so the consumer has no choice but to buy their product [fast internet]. So if you need it than you have no choice but to buy their purposely designed inferior product.

That is why the ISP industry has the highest dissatisfied consumers rate of most industries year after year . Despite the hate from their customer base they still make billions per quarter, The only way that happens is if the consumer has no choice to buy the product from them.

In a free market I agree with you dont buy it and go to the competition. However, the Telecom is not a free market its a fixed market.

Government net neutrality, or net communism, is treasonous propaganda. All content that is disagreeable with the status quo will be 'filtered'.

From that comment its clearly visible that you do not understand net neutrality nor what the internet is.


What you are fighting for is communist treasonous propaganda ,the exact opposite of what you think net neutrality is or what you want. I will try to explain this to you without any tech involved.

First the internet is not a commodity its an economy/market place around the world.

Without net neutrality the ISP are the communist state with a dash of dictatorship. They get to control what you get to access, they get to control who you get to buy from, they get to control how much you pay them for the right for you to sell your product, and they get to control who you do business with.

They did this already to Netflix and the consumers , not even a month after they undid net neutrality:

You as a customer pays 'x' amount for 'y' amount of speed on the internet. However, the ISP as a dictator told the consumer Screw you and our agreement , I'm going to slow down your access to netflix so I can make Netflix pay me what I WANT.

Without net neutrality they can control the information , propaganda you hear and ultimately create the state news you will have access to.

However, that is small potatoes of what they really want to do without net neutrality.


Without net neutrality they can force private companies to pay them or give them ownership of their companies. For example they would have the power to extort AMAZON to give them a % of their business/transactions or they would make traffic for their customer come to a crawl like they did with netflix.

This leaves Amazon with little to no choice but to pay the dictator because the majority of their customers have no choice but to use one of the 3 big ISP [Comcast,Verizon,Att].

Also as a good communist state the ISP leaders also gets to tell you the private content provider business owner who you get to sell to and who you get to work with. Oh Sorry Mr. private business owner but you cant use that small mom and pop company to process your online transactions, because they don't want to pay us the ISP what WE think is fair.

You want to sell to the east coast well you pay me this. you want to sell nationwide then get the nation plan. Oh but more good news you don't just get to negotiate with me comcast you also have to negotiate with Att ,Verizon and ALL other small ISP


Undoing net neutrality is the MOST UN AMERICAN and UN REPUBLICAN thing you can do. Remember the net is not a commodity its a market place. So why would the republicans not want a FREE market place that allows for EQUAL opportunity for all business ventures.

Summary:
You can't have a free market on the internet without net neutrality.

Since when have the republicans been so anti FREE market and for having a few people decide who the winners and looser of the market place will be.

I suggest republicans take their blinders off that they put on the last time the GOP convinced them: That it was a good idea to have gov't pick the winners and looser on the free market ,by using tax payers money to bailout private companies. They are snowballing you again.

Wake up this time, are you fighting for republican principles or are you fighting for the meaningless title or classification of calling yourself a Republican?

Well aint this special. My ISP has throttled my access to ATS it seems. Its begun people. the great slowdown has commenced. I hope all the supporters of this bill have a very VERY nice day. Thanks alot we REALLY appreciate this new fair and slow speed.

originally posted by: yuppa
Well aint this special. My ISP has throttled my access to ATS it seems. Its begun people. the great slowdown has commenced. I hope all the supporters of this bill have a very VERY nice day. Thanks alot we REALLY appreciate this new fair and slow speed.

LOL, you really don't understand what net neutrality is.

With what the FCC did and what net neutrality is they would be BREAKING the law if they were throttling your access. The only way they could throttle your access is if net neutrality doesn't exist.

With that said , I don't know the exact date that net neutrality rules kick in so its likely that net neutrality has not yet been enforced which would allow your ISP to throttle you until it gets enforced.


Heres what net neutrality and the FCC says about throttling:

www.fcc.gov...

Throttling : broadband providers may not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the basis of content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices.

Don't worry once net neutrality kicks in they wont be able to break your internet. anymore.

well we will see. Its almost a gurantee the government is screwing us all over. They refused to hear th e millions of people who sent in petitions against the regulations too. that should tell you they dont care what we think anymore. which prolly means they are getting ready to spring the trap in a few years or sooner.

originally posted by: interupt42

Heres what net neutrality and the FCC says about throttling:


www.fcc.gov...

Throttling : broadband providers may not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the basis of content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices.

But what if they do it anyway and wait for a court investigation?


It's not easy to eat stale bread.

a reply to: xuenchen

But what if they do it anyway and wait for a court investigation?

Thats fine and surely they will challenge it, but it doesn't change the fact that net neutrality IS good for the consumer and is aligned with Republican ideals.


The problem with the Republicans is that they don't understand what the internet is because they are being lied to by their own party.

Just like when the GOP told the individual republicans its a good idea to have gov't decide the winners and the looser in the free market and its a good Idea to use tax payers money to bailout private companies. They went along with it despite being anti republican ideals. This is much the same.

What the GOP is not telling you and what the Republicans don't understand is that the internet is NOT a commodity its a world economy a market place.

Without net neutrality the ISP are the communist state with a dash of dictatorship. They get to control what you get to access, they get to control who you get to buy from, they get to control how much you pay them for the right for you to sell your product, and they get to control who you do business with.

how is that adhering to Republican ideals and not to a communist/dictatorship controlled market place?

a reply to: interupt42

Absolutely 100% wrong,

There is not a single person in the entire world that 'needs' internet. Also, I do not pay the same amount as someone who uses more bandwidth as me, I do not cover the cost of someone who is using more.

Now that is cleared up, why have you conveniently not mentioned the ability to leech? Of course, that is dependent on the goodwill of those who are paying.

a reply to: GodEmperor

There is not a single person in the entire world that 'needs' internet.

Nobody said they did.

I do not pay the same amount as someone who uses more bandwidth as me, I do not cover the cost of someone who is using more.

That clearly says that you have no idea what net neutrality is or what you are paying for when you get your internet bill.

1. Your ISP bills you for WHAT SPEEDS you access the internet.

You pay comcast for example 80 bucks a month for 50 mb of download SPEEDS. Your grandma sends one email a month and pays for 25 MB download speeds for 50 bucks a month.

So everyone who pays 80 bucks should be getting 50MB downloads speeds and everyone who pays 50 bucks should be getting 25MB download speeds, right .

I think even you would agree that You should get what you pay for , unless their are unforeseen issues and require repair.

2. By removing net neutrality that gives comcast the right to legally continue CHARGING you 80 bucks a month but PURPOSELY SLOW you down to 1 MB or Less when you try to access netflix, regardless that you are paying for 50mb download speeds.

3. Now you bring up a good point you and your grandma use less data not speed than most so they offset those data hungry users you despise.


However, that really is negliable problem and B$ on comcast part and Google fiber and comcast themselves have proven this.

Google Fiber, offers 100 x the SPEED of comcast upload and download uncapped and they don't need or WANT non net neutrality rules. BTW for 100x (1GB) the speed they only charge 70 bucks a month, I pay comcast 80 buck and only get 50MB.

Comcast proved this also when NETFLIX paid them . as soon as they paid comcast the comcast users speed went up over night.

4. Accommodating high traffic or as you say ability to leech:
When netflix paid comcast they didnt lay any new infrastructure all they did was they temporarily opened new ports on their connections as needed with L3 a tier 1 provider that comcast and netflix both connect to.

Netflix also moved some of their servers to a third party between comcast and netflix. However, NET NEUTRALITY and tittle 2 has nothing to with any of this and does not touch anything at this level,

That is all done through negotiations and agreements between the ISP and TIER 1 providers. IN the case that comcast needs help with their users sending to much data than L3 the tier one provider than opens extra ports on their side temporarily to handle the traffic.

They do this , have done this, and will continue to do this as they have done since the beginning of the internet. Again net neutrality doesn't have nothing to do with any of this which is done to accommodate high bandwidth usage.


5. The only bone that you might be able to have.:
A. Net neutrality means you get what you pay for. you pay for 50mb download speeds you should get 50mb downloads speed. Thats a good thin.

Anybody tells you that net neutrality is a bad thing then either they are flat out lying or they don't understand what they are talking about.

b. The only thing you should be arguing about is whether tittle 2 reclassification was a good or bad thing.

however , keep in mind the internet without net neutrality is pointless. Net neutrality principles has existed since the inception of the internet and has been PROVEN to work.

a reply to: interupt42

I already see this coming like a train wreck. youre going to eat these words you are saying about the FCC decision to control your and the suppliers internet speed and access. HAs anyone asked netflix if they provoked comcast?

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: interupt42

I already see this coming like a train wreck. youre going to eat these words you are saying about the FCC decision to control your and the suppliers internet speed and access. HAs anyone asked netflix if they provoked comcast?

Make no mistake about it, I have no delusion that this will come bite us in the @ss down the road. I truly believe anything that gov't touches will bite as in the @ss.

However, what you are failing to see perhaps for lack of understanding or because it goes against your parties propaganda is that the TRAIN WRECK ALREADY happened once they UNDID net neutrality. What ever they do down the road will not be as crippling as removing net neutrality principles.

The gov't is no worse than a corporate monopoly and the minute that your gatekeeper to the internet can determine what you can access is the minute that the internet is dead.

The internet is not a commodity ,gadget, or product that you go and buy at best buy, its a market place. As such, it should be treated and remain as a free market place , like it has from its inception. That is done with net neutrality principles.

Your gatekeeper should not be able to determine what private company you decide to do business with on the internet. Your gatekeeper should not decide what you get to read , see, or your abuse your freedom of speech by removing your right to speak your mind on the internet on sited they don't like but are legal. That is very anti free market and very anti republican and anti AMERICAN.

The tittle 2 reclassification was not my ideal solution but it was the better one out of the only 2 solutions they gave us. The republicans proposed killing net neutrality was not an option and was the death of the internet.

With that said this is what I imagine that is going to occur in the near future with the tittle 2 relegations.

When I read the tittle 2 and new net neutrality one word kept standing out for me, that was the word "lawful-legal"

No Blocking : broadband providers may not block access to legal content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices. 

No Throttling : broadband providers may not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the basis of content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices. 

No Paid Prioritization : broadband providers may not favor some lawful Internet traffic over other lawful traffic in exchange for consideration

What I forsee happening is that we will maintain net neutrality for all lawful ie: sites , netflix,legal mom and pop small businesses,forums such as ATS ,etc will have net neutrality. Which is good.

When you go to a p0rn site [I hear they exist on the web] or try download movies , music, games, etc from sources that can be considered NOT LEGAL, then you are going to see throttling, blocking, or prioritizing.

So no this is not a net neutrality dream but again is not the end of the internet like what the republicans have proposed.

a reply to: interupt42

AHh no blocking of LEGAL CONTENT. So who decides what is legal content? the FCC and they will do the RIAA's biding as well as the MPAAs bidding.

Goodbye youtube,torrent sites,filesharing sites anti american propaganda sites and most likely ATS since we breed anti government radicals here lol. The net will no longer be free content but you buy it all will come down the pipe.

youve traded one master for a even worse one. and i do not claim to be republican. i like the constitution the way it is. If anything i am a constitutional statist who thinks the federal government i s over stepping its authority. the feds were never meant to have such power. if the founders were alive they would brand the ones in power today as traitors.

a reply to: yuppa

Goodbye youtube,torrent sites,filesharing sites anti american propaganda sites and most likely ATS since we breed anti government radicals here lol. The net will no longer be free content but you buy it all will come down the pipe.

Lol, so now you are for net neutrality.

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: yuppa

Goodbye youtube,torrent sites,filesharing sites anti american propaganda sites and most likely ATS since we breed anti government radicals here lol. The net will no longer be free content but you buy it all will come down the pipe.

Lol, so now you are for net neutrality.

No im not. Since when is TORRENTING legal? OH yeah the site itself can exist but no links to anything the FCC,RIAA,AND MPAA does not approve. you seemed to had missed that. I write stuff thats not too long so stop cherry picking and quote the whole thing because you twist the meaning

a reply to: yuppa

Since when is TORRENTING legal?

I'm sure that you are aware that TORRENTING has and will continue to be legal and you are not really asking me that question, but rather setting up your next premise.

OH yeah the site itself can exist but no links to anything the FCC,RIAA,AND MPAA does not approve. you seemed to had missed that.

That is some funny sh1t right their.
I'm the one who pointed this out to you , see my posts above, LOL. So I don't see how I missed that.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Regardless, Since you are so concerned about pirating and bittorenting. GUESS what let me point something else for you.

Without net neutrality , the same thing would have happened but worst.

The ISP wouldn't have to go to court to determine what is legal or illegal. The ISP had the power to be the judge and jury and they would have purposely slowed ALL torenting down to a crawl. You think comcast wants you to get free movies?

As a matter of fact the ISP already did this in the past when they purposely slowed down the torrent services, but because of net neutrality principles at the time they got in trouble.

Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic, Seeding Impossible
torrentfreak.com...

the Federal Communications Commission slapped Comcast hard for its traffic-shaping policies and barred the company from targeting individual protocols such as BitTorrent when managing traffic on its networks.
bgr.com...

BTW , you don't need a site for torrenting and who is the one that seems to be missing something? Again I don't know if you are purposely being deceptive or you really don't understand what you are talking about when it comes to net neutrality ?

I write stuff thats not too long so stop cherry picking and quote the whole thing because you twist the meaning

I haven't twisted the meaning of anything you said, I have just showed you that what you are saying is wrong. I also find it easier to follow a post by quoting and answering directly one item at a time.

However, if you feel that I cherry pick or am dodging something ask directly and will try to answer it the best I can. I'm not avoiding anything because I don't have any bias, I'm just trying to get to the truth of the matter.

i'm the one who told you that the FCC ruling was not ideal and had some concerning language. However, again it was the better of the two options.

look. i know the current system before the ruling was not perfect. But to change the rules because of A violation by one company against one company is just a power grab. Did they do it to individuals themselves? If not they are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

And the regulation will allow them to mis use it as well. the lobbyist for the RIAA,MPAA,hollywood and th e music industry will make the napster mess look like a simple squabble.

Better the devil you know than the one you dont right?

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

C-SPAN:
FCC Oversight and Transparency with Tom Wheeler
MARCH 17, 2015

a reply to: ketsuko

Hey Ket, IDK the first thing about this Net Neut thingy?
Can you briefly put it in perspective for me and I'll owe
you one?