Dear Christians..

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

In the other thread I did give my thoughts from Day 1-6. You said I steam rolled but I was trying to address it more fully.

My point is no matter how you interpret Genesis 1:1 you're still left with scriptural understanding the Sun was made after Earth had formed and light hadn't reached the surface of Earth until Day 4. There are implications there that are unscientific. For one all stars, including the Sun, being made after Earth and that plants were thriving on Day 3. I don't see how that's resolved via any interpretation of Genesis Day 1-3...

However 'light' or 'heavens' is interpreted it cannot include the light from stars. It could be interpreted as a metaphysical light or something quantum if you wish. Just not the kind of light that makes our planet all sunshiny. The formless and void Earth mentioned I wouldn't know how to exactly interpret that, but it's an obvious implication that Earth was no longer formless by Day 3.

How do you interpret Genesis 1:1?

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

I find it funny it is so hard to get a straight answer from you on that one specific phrase. I was trying to show you were we differed. The phrase "heavens and the earth" used in Genesis 1:1 is phrase that when grouped together refers to the totality of physical existence. It is used nine times in genesis and means that everytime. So in verse one God created stars the earth, black holes, and all of that exist but the text doesn't say for how long. Verse two begins the condition of the earth at some point after initial creation, and it doesn't disclose how long that is or how it got that way. In verse three we have God revisiting the creation to mold it for life. Its a supernatural interference in this area of the universe to reform it for life.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

The phrase "heavens and the earth" used in Genesis 1:1 is phrase that when grouped together refers to the totality of physical existence.

That 'totality of physical existence' didn't include any stars until Day 4. That's explicitly what Genesis says.

You said you were using logic when reading what scripture says. It's logical to extrapolate no stars existed prior to Day 4.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Thats not what it says. The word for vault of the sky does not mean the entire universe. It comes from raqa.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

This is getting no where.

Let's move then to the bird issue.

You have these explanations concerning what 'heavens' and 'vault of the sky' means, and how that negates what Day 4 explicitly says.

What then is your explanation for Genesis saying birds were flying above the oceans on Day 5, and then all land-based animals are made on Day 6?

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

Do you have one?

You are insinuating I am being illogical and you are not.

So please show me. Demonstrate it. Show me how I am being illogical in the way I am interpreting Genesis stating birds were made before all land-based animals.

Well there is a strong positive message in the scriptures, and also I believe in other writings, Buddhism, Eastern Taoism, possibly in the Natives of North American's the tribes that had a written language, in all the corners of the world. Its the hidden Love and Goodness that allign the Old Testament to the New, for its all metaphor for what takes place within. That is if you read the right side of the coin.

www.spiritofthescripture.com...

Alot of good articles on this site concerning the pure and positive gnosis. Without telling one not to believe that a Teacher, came in to assist, one's beliefs are respected. To me it doesnt matter what one thinks about Christ, whether he is God, or becomes a god and grows up, but that he didn't come to form a religion but to free us from the archons and free our minds and become christed ourselves, he is the wayshower example.

However tend to believe he is a metaphor for the real Christ, Spirit of Love and Peace and Goodness that is our Famly and our Higher Self and we need to grow up and make that bungee cord connection give way to Oneness with Source.
So Christ is real metaphor or not.

There is a dark gnosis, or coding in the bible as well, the other side of the coin.

This thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I asked for a link for the word nahash being "banker/lender", since pages of searches didn't show this and didn't think of the strong hebrew concordance, but he linked it. So anyone searching for the meanings of the words in the bible are basically often being fed lies. And yet its not hidden, just where people often don't look. You would think that would be the first link that pops up.

And yes, the short definition is "lender", ie banker.

Now there it is, in Genesis, who the serpents are, Bankers, and doesnt that change the entire literal message in the bible, as Adam and Eve is a metaphoric story, and Bankers already existed.

a reply to: Unity_99

This is the only thing I know about that word.

Nachash means serpent. The serpent represents wisdom and healing. For example, Moses healed with the serpent and Jesus said "be as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves".

Hinduism they believe in a serpent race called "Nagas" (which sounds similar to the Hebrew word "Nachash". They say the Nagas taught them about kundalini energy in the body (also called the fire serpent) . Kundalini is said to also be the same as sexual energy (the life force energy being "Prana").

Maybe the greed for money has something to do with it relating to bankers? This is just a guess.

The most powerful angels closest to the heavenly throne (at least to Isaiah who believed in yahweh) are fiery serpents with 6 (?) wings who praise yahweh saying "Holy, Holy, Holy, is The Lord God Almighty". They are called The Seraphim Angels.

Many "Christians" automatically assume the serpent as evil despite the stories of Moses healing with the serpent and Isaiah says that the angels closest to the throne are the fiery serpents (seraphim) - a contradiction in beliefs.

And all I know is you two represent Christians that have an understanding of scripture that is both absurd and selective. That said, I also know that if more Christians interpreted it like you two do, then the world would be a better place.

a reply to: Elementalist

Your OP comes off with benevolent authority and then flounders
telling others, me, Christians, people what it is they should do to be
all Christ consciousness or god or energized. So I wait......... and
sure enough.

God and Jesus are not the same thing. Are you confused?

You don't even understand that you can't tell another man what to do.
But you want me to hear you instead of my Father in Heaven. Excuse me
but just exactly who are you?




Or more pertinent, who do you think you are?

a reply to: randyvs
I imagine he's just like you. Claiming knowledge of god(s) that they couldn't possibly know.

I am curious though. I ran a poll recently on Facebook. No real point here, just curiosity. It was in a very big Christian FB group. The poll results in that group showed most Christians believed Christ was a separate entity to god.

Do you believe Jesus was god incarnate?

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Just like me? Well where is his sound doctrine then?
Do you even know what you're talking about?
In fact, he seems more like you.

Do you believe Jesus was god incarnate?
edit on 9

I was positive you already had that clearly in mind. Afirmative!
That is being a Christian. Who are you going to poll today?
A group of mechanics asking them if they believe in
race cars?

a reply to: randyvs

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm guessing here but I'd say a commander of the element of air...

possibly with necromancing ability?

a reply to: arpgme

On that thread, which had a good premise if it were true and I starred and flagged it for the work, but then couldn't find a link that showed Nahash, the word used for serpent in Genesis, meant "lender" and hence "banker". So he linked it, the Strong's Concordance, right in plain site but not a link that pops up in pages of searches.

biblehub.com...

5383. nashah (ha discovered I was spelling it wrong)

Short Definition: creditor

Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to lend, become a creditor
NASB Translation
creditor (4), creditors (1), exacting (1), lending (1), lent (2), loaned (1), make (1), make the loan (1).

The other meaning, Serpent, is basically kundilini and is very positive, despite what people are programmed to think. Its a metaphor for DNA and Kundalini ie described wonderfully here:

www.spiritofthescripture.com...

Its akin to a duality, ie. two sides of the coin. The dark and the light code. The dark code is probably fixed, embedded with its old meanings standing on etymology and older meanings. But Light codes in real time and nudges more searching inside at times. For example Matthew 13, which I interpreted several ways: one the programs that hold us back and two, the talents we're meant to develop and share with others and the world, and then saying, people's eyes and ears are closed but if they asked for healing God would be merciful and heal them.

So I asked, directly, please heal my eyes and ears and help me see clearly and deprogram from the world.

Then was seeking within a short period of time for pineal and silver cord in the bible, and meanings started leaping out.

The site linked above was one I found in searches and its like a stepping stone, something further given in answer to prayers, and has the positive codes or positive inner message.

But there is another side to those, and the dark hands running this hellish zone think they're very clever and that they're understanding is the bottom line of reality and everyone else is in feel good, love illusions. They're in for a big surprise, because that finite bottom line they think its about, this dog eat dog pyramid system of domination all the way to the top, thats just the ceiling of the basement level.

a reply to: randyvs

Well where is his sound doctrine then?

Where is yours?

Do you even know what you're talking about?

Do you?

Care to discuss its soundness?

a reply to: AinElohim

Once we determine who someone is not. The possibilities are endless.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Care to discuss its soundness?

To tell you the truth, I'd rather drink turpintine and wiz on a brushfire then
to read any more atheistic, cookie cutter, cloned, responses and cop-out reasoning.

Sorry for the delayed response BTW. Lots of tilt ups going up in So Cal right now.
The weekends are better for me.