The Nanny State: Feds propose monitoring how long you watch TV to control obesity

a reply to: beezzer

I think your approach is to simple there is a certain level of validity to wanting to help other people make healthier lifestyle choices its better for everyone.

Is it the governments job? HELL NO.

We should as a community want to help others make healthier choices but not on a governmental level.

If people want to get healthier they will go to a gym and look for the help.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Gryphon66

I respect other people's decisions.

I understand that people want to live a lifestyle that I wouldn't want to live.

It is their decision.

That being said, you should celebrate the fact that I am in the minority. Your intrusive, controlling ideology is in the forefront.

Ultimately, your ideology has won.

Pop that non-fat, non-alcoholic, gluten-free champagne!

You won!

I'm glad you respect others decisions.

Your comments about what you think about the ideology you assume I hold continue to be irrelevant.

Why do you keep bringing up your personal attitude towards who you think I am as a person?

I'm not interested in winning or losing (and I'm unsure what you're even going on about in that regard).

What did you think of onequestion's suggestion about volunteerism? Contributing our time to help each other, like maybe working out with folks who want to change their lives, or maybe running support groups for folks who are trying to lose weight?

I thought that was a great idea!

a reply to: onequestion

So you shouldn't respect another person?

you should take your ideal life-style and impose it on them just because they don't adhere to a lifestyle they choose to live?

Whatever happened to freedom?

a reply to: beezzer

Ah there's the pivot.

No one has said anything about not respecting other people.

No one has said anything about imposing anything on any one.

I asked a question about solutions to a problem we face nationally. Some were kind enough to answer, yourself included.

Your answer is to do nothing.

I would like to discuss proactive ways to deal with the fact that 2/3 of the adult American public and 1/3 of children are overweight or obese. That is in-line with the topic of the thread, unless the intention was only to complain about the Federal government.

I thought we might want to put our heads together to come up with better solutions than the Feds seem to be.

Is there a problem with that, Beezzer?

a reply to: beezzer

Uhhh yeah im completely respecting other people by helping them get healthier and giving them the knowledge they need to make those choices knowledgeably.

a reply to: Gryphon66

There's really not much that can be done, IMHO.
As long as the food supply is tainted the way it is, and folks opt for packaged and convenience foods.
And, even then, what happens to beef that comes from a cow fed the same tainted foods.....ie GMO corn.

IMHO, the big culprits are HFCS and the new type of wheat we've been eating for the last 30-40 years.
Too many of these kinds of carbs turn to fat in our bodies.
Too many empty calories.
Look at the increase in gluten intolerance and diabetes.

Return to a less processed diet....and I believe the obesity epidemic would fade.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

It is an addiction issue. You get addicted to the sugar highs and the processed food. You can even feel your body coming down like a drug when you stop eating sugar for a day or 2.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

I can add to your idea with personal testimony.

I've recently adopted a very low-carb diet. I try to avoid anything prepackaged.

I have personally lost 20 lbs in a little over two months. I feel stronger, better, more energetic!

As onequestion has suggested, if we can just work together, in our own interpersonal networks to get the word out about good diet and exercise, I think we'd see a decimation of the "obesity epidemic" at once.

Federal interference in individual lives, at that point, would be moot.

Thanks!

a reply to: Gryphon66

Its also a cultural issue. Think about it.... lazyness, apathy, lack of knowledge, they represent fundamental problems with modern culture.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: beezzer

Uhhh yeah im completely respecting other people by helping them get healthier and giving them the knowledge they need to make those choices knowledgeably.

Would you wait for them to ask for help?

Or would you assume that because they don't live just like you, they need your help?

a reply to: beezzer

Oh give me a break im not even responding to that nonsense Beezer.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Gryphon66

Its also a cultural issue. Think about it.... lazyness, apathy, lack of knowledge, they represent fundamental problems with modern culture.

I don't disagree. In my experience, oftentimes, it's also a matter of individuals feeling "powerless" to make changes in their lives. We are constantly 24/7 bombarded with encouragement to eat poorly, and to overconsume those engineered carbs that Don'tTreadonMe was talking about. That combined with the fact that a lot of us now work 40-60 hrs per week, and are always looking for a quick solution ... here's an experiment that stunned me. Try to find something in a convenience store to eat that is not full of carbs (and sugars.)

I do believe we can handle the obesity issue with individual effort along with help from each other.

a reply to: Gryphon66

convenience store

Key words.

Nothing good comes easy(still don't know if thats true or not but with food it applys)

a reply to: onequestion

... and I'm unsure why some folks are so opposed to conceiving of any proactive solutions.

I mean, right here, in a few posts, we've established a basic plan that would make most government "interference" moot.

Yet, some only want to continue to offer their opinions of our persons and our beliefs with no evidence.

I'd be willing to say that about 90% of what government at all levels does on behalf of "the general welfare" could be solved with greater cooperation between individuals and communities.

And what a great thing that would be, eh?

Thanks for sticking with the discussion, Onequestion!

So television is the reason why everyone is fat ?

Television is the reason why everyone is dropping dead from cancer, diabetes, and heart disease ?

It has nothing to do with all the crap they've been putting in our foods for the past 50+ years ?

Really ?!



Me thinks somebody needs to babysit the babysitters and regulate the regulators.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Good for you!

I've not had the same results, but I have lost some poundage this year.....low-carbing works.
IN moderation.

Folks need to rely less on what the USDA tells them...and the FDA....and the food and drug industires ...along with their lobbyists.

It seems we get so worried about eating right, by government and industry standards....we forget to listen to our bodies.
Bloat, gas, rumblings....doesn't just mean we need the latest probioltic on the market.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: beezzer

Oh give me a break im not even responding to that nonsense Beezer.

In a sense it isn't nonsense.

Do you like it when the Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door to "help" you save your soul? In their view, you are just as misguided and poorly informed and educated as anyone who isn't eating the proper diet according you is just misinformed and poorly educated.

As far as the door-to-door proselytizers are concerned, you just need their help to make the proper choices and when you do it will all be so much clearer and you will thank them for it.

Explain how this is any different? Yes, you can say that modern science backs you, but modern science also recently got done telling us that egg yolks and bacon fat were the very devil too.

Not to mention, everyone has a unique body and metabolic situation. What might be very healthy for you could be not so healthy for your neighbor.

a reply to: ketsuko

I'm not responding to this nonsense.

Yes it is nonsense. jehovah's can do whatever they want i don't give a # and it doesn't really bother me when they knock on the door i just tell them im not interested thanks.

Theres nothing wrong with wanting people to be healthier and there is a balanced approach to this that doesnt involve putting guns to peoples heads.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Not for nothing, learning to "listen to our bodies" is spot on, as is avoiding the engineered foods that you and CranialSponge are pointing out.

Those government standards have been suggesting that we consume massive carbs for 40 or 50 years. Now I personally know for myself (and believe for everyone else), that is probably the last thing we needed.

Of course, there are a myriad of special interests that have influenced those "standards." Which I think returns us to the idea that the best thing to do is to educate ourselves and work with each other ... rather than simply ignorning that there is a serious issue at hand.

If you haven't read anything about keto and ketosis and ketogenic diets, that might be interesting for you.

a reply to: onequestion

You notice that some folks just don't want to find any alternatives to Big Government control, and when we're simply working to discuss the issue, there are continual efforts to shut down discussion or send the thread off on tangents?

It's almost like there's an agenda at work here, isn't it? Inappropriate comment.

No one here has suggested in any way that we should or would inflict anything on anyone. /sigh

I guess that's just another element of the mindset we have to overcome to make progress in this area, as Don'tTreadOnMe was alluding to.

It is a matter of perception, in a lot of ways.