Our current banking system is not capable of sustaining a space program.

originally posted by: mikegrouchy

Can someone design me a banking system that is capable of sustaining a space program?

Mike Grouchy

Sure thing, Mike, join a credit union if you live in the US.

As for weaving banks into a lack of space programs, I don't follow you. But I do follow (actually have been led) to know and accept that we (US) has a deep black space program with the triangles that remains hidden because it is more about a weapons program than simply space faring.

originally posted by: Aliensun

As for weaving banks into a lack of space programs, I don't follow you. But I do follow (actually have been led) to know and accept that we (US) has a deep black space program with the triangles that remains hidden because it is more about a weapons program than simply space faring.

I distinctly remember the automotive industry inventing all kinds of tricks ( in conjunctions with the banks ) to get everyone into a car. All kinds of financing, low-rates, options, and plans. By way of contrast, what does our current banking system offer in the way of space? Anything, besides a shrinking space program and a retired shuttle.

Can someone design me a banking system that is capable of sustaining a space program?

Mike Grouchy

originally posted by: Aliensun

Sure thing, Mike, join a credit union if you live in the US.

/begin sarcasm


Hear that guys! He says the neighborhood credit union has got our back!
/end sarcasm

There are some very, very profound systemic problems with the American banking system at the moment. Banks make widely speculative, highly leveraged loans and expect the small consumer to make up the shortfall in fees. This bad practice should not only be regulated, it should be criminalized. There are numerous other problems of a technical nature and, of course, the outrageous practice of decoupling executive compensation from performance.

That said, none of that has anything to do with space exploration. Germany was able to make rapid strides in rocketry because a group of amateurs had been experimenting for years before the war with the ir own funds. When the German government reneged on their debts, they were able to fund these experiments which were already well under way. Once it came time to go to full production, the rocketeers were able to take advantage of slave labor.

Is that what you want? A space program built on the backs of slaves?

originally posted by: DJW001
There are some very, very profound systemic problems with the American banking system at the moment. Banks make widely speculative, highly leveraged loans and expect the small consumer to make up the shortfall in fees. This bad practice should not only be regulated, it should be criminalized. There are numerous other problems of a technical nature and, of course, the outrageous practice of decoupling executive compensation from performance.

That said, none of that has anything to do with space exploration. Germany was able to make rapid strides in rocketry because a group of amateurs had been experimenting for years before the war with the ir own funds. When the German government reneged on their debts, they were able to fund these experiments which were already well under way. Once it came time to go to full production, the rocketeers were able to take advantage of slave labor.

Is that what you want? A space program built on the backs of slaves?

I want a growing space program, not half of one.

We should have 25 space programs by now.



... as to the part about slave labor ... did we import that too, or just the scientists themselves. Seems to me we have already proved that free people allowed to self select are more creative, more productive, and more reliable.


Mike Grouchy

a reply to: mikegrouchy

... as to the part about slave labor ... did we import that too, or just the scientists themselves. Seems to me we have already proved that free people allowed to self select are more creative, more productive, and more reliable.

I agree with the latter part of that statement, and perhaps that explains the problem. If you are an intelligent individual deciding upon a career in college, which choice is more attractive: making $50,000 a year as an engineer or $50,000,000 a year as an MBA?

originally posted by: undo
my hubby did a research paper on the topic of space mining. there are so many precious metals on a single asteroid, that we could emerse half the planet in splendour in months and the other half within a couple months after that.

Ofcourse, once companies start mining in space and bring back tonnes of diamonds, those resources will become less valuable.

But even then, it would have made much more sense for any nation to focus on getting into space and rally the entire nation to achieve that. If not only for the space, colonizing other planets, leaving behind the primitive nations still fighting eachother.

ps. by now, I would have expected a large part of all the work would have been done by robots, also robots going into space to mine for resources, building spacestations. But instead the robotization of society is going at an unorganized slow pace and with short term thinking corporations and threats such as Russia/ISIS sometimes I wonder if 'the West' will ever get to such a technological level.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: mikegrouchy

I agree with the latter part of that statement, and perhaps that explains the problem. If you are an intelligent individual deciding upon a career in college, which choice is more attractive: making $50,000 a year as an engineer or $50,000,000 a year as an MBA?

And here we stand shoulder to shoulder in our indictment of the banking system. That it values an MBA so much more than an Engineer.


Mike Grouchy

a reply to: mikegrouchy

This isn't entirely true

US black ops have for years operated secret space program

And it is expensive, so they certainly have money for that, they print it and they sell drugs to get the money

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
ps. by now, I would have expected a large part of all the work would have been done by robots, also robots going into space to mine for resources, building spacestations. But instead the robotization of society is going at an unorganized slow pace and with short term thinking corporations and threats such as Russia/ISIS sometimes I wonder if 'the West' will ever get to such a technological level.

This ^

I have developed my own models for a self sustaining space station. The kind to be launched by remote, stationed in orbit, and begin growing food on their own. So that when, and if, people return to more than shallow space ... they will find food, water, and air, waiting for them.


Mike Grouchy

originally posted by: PizzaAnyday505
a reply to: mikegrouchy

This isn't entirely true

US black ops have for years operated secret space program

And it is expensive, so they certainly have money for that, they print it and they sell drugs to get the money

Interesting point. I wonder if that secrecy extends to the banks. Otherwise an audit would reveal the secret space program. And if the banks "enjoy" that secrecy.


Mike Grouchy

a reply to: mikegrouchy

I remember a few years back, there was talk of Obama issuing disclosure on aliens which turned out to be hoax. Around the same time NASA entered its demise, being all but decommissioned....


After nearly a year of reading these threads I think that whatever is going on.... it doesnt take a genius to realize that there are some 'unknown' gears changing, something that has been at work for some time is changing pace and nobody knows any better!

A year ago i would've laughed at the secret space program idea..... not anymore!

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: mikegrouchy

A year ago i would've laughed at the secret space program idea..... not anymore!

We have a few clues.



ATS Thread: NAVY Space Command

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Date: Aug, 15 2009

public.navy.mill/spawar/ The Navy's Information Dominance Systems Command


There have also been a couple of threads about lists of Naval officers with astronaut wings. So not many clues, and I haven't seen any insights into possible break-away-technology, but it seems like something is going on.


Mike Grouchy

originally posted by: mikegrouchy
Can someone design me a banking system that is capable of sustaining a space program?

I'm not sure how, but putting an end to money period would be a start. Money is a stupid concept anyway that needs to be stopped. Look at all the damage it's caused.

a reply to: mikegrouchy

I don't understand your reasoning. NASA was/is funded by the government and therefore is subject to the same bureaucracy, mismanagement, and waste as any other government agency. If a space program were to be privatized then the business would have every desire to maximize efficiency and reduce cost.

In any case, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the banking system. I am really confused by this OP. Last I checked, with the assets the banks have, they can pretty much afford anything they damn well please.

I'm quite sure there's a secret space program or even a "meta-civilisation" but I still agree. It's an embarassing situation.

You've got the outspoken rage of someone who just figured out what a scam this whole thing is.

I like that.


For every bit of rage you're expressing here in the open, some of us have ten times that pent up inside us... knowing full well that expressing it does nothing bot demonstrate the futility of it all.

I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times-

Tear it down.
It all has to go.

originally posted by: Junkheap

originally posted by: mikegrouchy
Can someone design me a banking system that is capable of sustaining a space program?

I'm not sure how, but putting an end to money period would be a start. Money is a stupid concept anyway that needs to be stopped. Look at all the damage it's caused.

Money is an instrument which allows people who agree upon the relative value of some 'currency' (an easily transferred commodity such as gold) to exchange it in lieu of actual goods or services as would be the case in a direct barter arrangement.

There is no contest that 'money' is an indispensable tool, there will always be currency. Without it, you would need to work for your grocer for your food and your time can be used more efficiently doing something else.

a reply to: mikegrouchy

This might be a little closer.



The bubbles are created through artificial credit expansion.

It is the ability to create money through the Fed that causes inflation which decreases the value of the currency.

The loans taken out by government in this way rely on the devaluation of the currency to minimize the actual cost to repay.

The damage done to the devalued currency is primarily absorbed by the poor and middle class. Pure savings begin to lose value.