In Defense of Chemtrail Conspiracy Theorists

a reply to: and14263

Tesla lost his funding from JP Morgan because he found out that he wasn't going to profit from it. Tesla pretty much shot himself in the foot with his research since he cared more about the science than making a profit off of it. Albeit those are great virtues to have as a scientist and I enjoy Tesla's work and virtues immensely; unfortunately during the time he lived you got more accomplished if you acted like a thug and stole other people's work like Edison.

Also keep in mind, there were many failed and dangerous experiments that Tesla tried as well. Not everything he did was ground breaking work. And the biggest contribution Tesla provided, alternating current, is used in our electronics now. So there isn't much to suppress unless you want to believe that he got further than he did in some of his failed experiments.

Look it's not like Tesla's work wasn't attempted to be suppressed. Edison tried his DAMNEDEST to suppress his work. Did you know that Edison tried to electrocute an elephant with alternating current just so he could discredit his research? I can't stress this enough, Edison was a HUGE douche. Despite all this nonsense though, today we use AC current. There was nothing suppressed about it.

Tesla was a great man, but unfortunately he was a causality of his own brilliance.

double post

Well we do know that they are spraying something. I personally do not believe they are chemtrails, in the sense that they are poisoning us all, at least not intentionally. I mean, they would be poisoning themselves and their own families.

They were hosing us for two days straight in Northern California last week. Growing up out here and knowing the commercial Airliner routes, it was clear these were different Aircraft, much larger too.

Basically when you watch them, in this case there were two that would just go back and forth for hours on end, yet you also see commercial Airliners flying in their normal direction, but with no contrails at the same elevation, it's obvious something is going on.

Personally, I believe it could be an attempt at weather modification. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: SheopleNation

If you use a flight tracker app, you might be able to find out the plane ID.

did it look like this?

originally posted by: dezertdog
a reply to: AutumnWitch657

For the very simple reason that believers just cannot furnish a reason why

"Why" is the crux of the matter.

First of all, excellent post OP.

I myself don't really consider geo-engineering to be
a "conspiracy", I've been noticing these things in the sky,
and IMO, its obvious they are not normal contrails,
so IMO, for me it was more of an observation which as the
frequency increased and increased and increased, turning
beautiful warm days into a sky filled with clouds and cooling
things down quite a bit.

I think its actually kind of funny that people try to debunk this,
its like trying to debunk the moon, man its right there!

I swear (not really) that if the moon were slowly drifting away
from the earth appearing to get smaller gradually over time,
only older people that have lived a few decades would even notice it,
and if the official story was no, no, the moon's not drifting away from the
earth, its always looked that way, your official explanation believers
would agree.

BTW, I haven't confirmed the story, but I heard on a talk radio
station that the fairly new curriculum for public schools includes
a textbook that actually teaches children what geo-engineering is,
that they are spraying chemicals from airplanes into the air,
and their purpose is to combat "global warming"

Maybe I'll just ask a 5th grader, if this is true then
they would probably know more about "chem-trails" than we do, lol.

I'd love to see the look on a "chem-trail" debunkers face, when they're
outside at the park with their kid, and the kid points up to the sky and
says something like:

"Wow dad, sure are spraying a lot today!"

And dad says, "What do you mean, spraying?"

And kid says, "Spraying chemicals to cool down the earth"

And dad says, "Who told you that?"

"At school, its right in this book, let me show it to you"

lol, lol, lol

a reply to: network dude

Not quite that bad, but definitely abnormal. After living here for 40 years, I know what flight patterns are regular, at least with the Commercial Airliners. They only change for certain weather conditions. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: rebelv

Geo-engineering, also known as cloud seeding, isn't the same as "chemtrails". Maybe you should look up the difference.

a reply to: OneManArmy



Dane Wigington...need better than him.

Geoengineering is very much real, whether they are spraying carbon or barium or aluminium from planes YET is not irrelevant, its part of their proposed plans.

And yet all the top scientists say differently. They are still in the computer modeling stages right now.

As for dumping the iron...that was done by a businessman and not a country or anyone related to actual geoengineering experiments.

A controversial American businessman dumped around 100 tonnes of iron sulphate into the Pacific Ocean as part of a geoengineering scheme off the west coast of Canada in July, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

George is the former chief executive of Planktos Inc, whose previous failed efforts to conduct large-scale commercial dumps near the Galapagos and Canary Islands led to his vessels being barred from ports by the Spanish and Ecuadorean governments. The US Environmental Protection Agency warned him that flying a US flag for his Galapagos project would violate US laws, and his activities are credited in part to the passing of international moratoria at the United Nations limiting ocean fertilisation experiments

www.theguardian.com...

So one man doesn't mean it is happening as we speak, or has already happened anywhere outside the computer modeling stage.

a reply to: rebelv

Let me guess, contrails disappear quickly but chemtrails linger and spread, right?

You know, before we went to Moon and analysed samples of it, we didn't know what it was really made of. There was even a rumour it was made of cheese. But it was right there in front of our eyes!

There's a parallel in there somewhere ;-)

a reply to: SheopleNation

How do we know they are spraying something? Help me out with that.

a reply to: waynos

When two large aircraft are flying at the same elevation, and one has a contrail, and other does not, that might suggest that they could be spraying something, or releasing something. Pay close attention to the word COULD.

When one of those contrails just stops in mid air, that could suggest that something is being turned off, switched or the aircraft has stalled. Like I said, I think they could be doing weather modification. We are in a very severe drought out here.

Oh and uh in all reality, we don't "know" anything. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: SheopleNation

When two large aircraft are flying at the same elevation, and one has a contrail, and other does not, that might suggest that they could be spraying something, or releasing something. Pay close attention to the word COULD.

Pay closer attention to the question you were asked about what you said, which was

Well we do know that they are spraying something.

Can you answer that please?

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
Well we do know that they are spraying something.

Can you answer that please?

Because they are, how does that work for you? In reality it's impossible to prove that they are, but I believe that they are, For weather modification of course. You don't? ~$heopleNation

a reply to: SheopleNation

Because they are, how does that work for you?

Not very well. They "are", they "COULD be", and now back to they "are". Waffle much?

In reality it's impossible to prove that they are

Not necessarily. That would depend on which element(s) of "chemtrail theory" one might want to prove.

but I believe that they are, For weather modification of course.

Of course that's different than saying "We know".

You don't?

No, I don't believe so. Cloud seeding isn't "spraying", and isn't "chemtrails".

Much of this could have been avoided had you not tried to spin that reply to waynos.

It should not have to be repeated, but......You are responsible for your own posts.

To that end....stay on topic, don't make it personal....Go After the Ball, Not the Player!

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a reply to: Eunuchorn

WHAT ? 3d technology and holograms ? Did I miss something ? Prevents the "true sky" from being seen ? I really do need to start looking up more but really I don't believe I will see anything other than the same sky that has been there all along.

Weeks of unconstrained arguments with us debunkers eh? Who's fault is that?

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Why can't you understand that is is NOT only the lack of evidence which is telling us unbelievers that its not happening. It's that logistically: IT CAN NOT POSSIBLY BE HAPPENING.

1 : The pits would be aware of the shift in mass from an emptying chemical tank
2 : The chems cannot be in the fuel. Jet engines are works of extreme precision engineering. There cannot possibly be additives on the girl that would wear at the internal workings and fan blades.
3 : ground crew would see the nozzles. They pour over every inch of the planes.
4 : the planes cannot carry anywhere near enough chems to form horizon to horizon lines. Nowhere near enough. A quick Google search on how much water is in even a small cloud will tell you that.
5: who is making these chems?
6 : why have none of the tens of thousands of independent scientific atmosphere research labs all around the world who sample the air multiple times every day not found anything? Same for the soil/ground research labs. Something as global as chemtrails are meant to be would be discovered by countless researchers I'm every country. Not just in bloody Shasta county and a few other places
7: mo less? Not a SINGLE credible person with a shred of proof coming forward in over 25 years?

The list goes on. THIS is why we don't believe
The total and utter lack of evidence is just a nice big thick layer of icing on the cake.

Please forgive ant spelling errors. ..typing on phone in bed. Good night!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

How is it you know what Chemtrails are or look like, or what they are made of if they do not exist ??

When will someone go up in planes and test these "contrails" to see what they are made of?? Cause they certainly are not just water, pretty crazy that they have not been found to be most damaging to the Earth.

Just how is making artificial clouds that DO NOT RAIN (according to cloud seeding experts here they are different) not one of the biggest problems around and ways to stop them been found ??

Question, WHY DO WE NEED CONTRAILS, surely the tech exists to eliminate them EASILY by now.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

Not sure what Female posters have to do with the discussion, so lets not make this a sexist debate. I can't speak for the OP, or any other so called female posters, cause I am not female. Just as this thread was started yesterday, so not sure about the "weeks of unconstrained arguments" suggestion.

Some of us have made it perfectly clear, which is, Weather modification is not chemtrails. However, some trouble makers wish to argue the contrary to make themselves feel better. No big deal really, but it is what it is. What makes ATS great, is that everyone has their own views about a certain subject.

Personally, I think what is going on is an attempt to control the weather. Which = Weather Modification, not chemtrails. ~$heopleNation