Why does ISIS keep making enemies?

a reply to: Klassified

Interesting post, Klassified.

I'm not sure what you're hinting at though. Where do you think the money is coming from? And what is the real agenda?

a reply to: Kryties

It looks like ISIS is a opinion survey in slow motion.

What are you so scared of that you would give up all of your freedom?

The Islamic State are guided by a very strict interpretation of the Koran, any deviation away from this is regarded as an act of apostasy.

Temporary peace treaties are renewable, but may not be applied to all enemies at once: the caliph must wage jihad at least once a year. He may not rest, or he will fall into a state of sin.

“To send an ambassador to the UN is to recognize an authority other than God’s.” This form of diplomacy is shirk, or polytheism, he argued, and would be immediate cause to hereticize and replace Baghdadi.

Even to hasten the arrival of a caliphate by democratic means—for example by voting for political candidates who favor a caliphate—is shirk.

Currently, it is fellow Muslims who have ISIS' full attention.

Being a Shiite, as most Iraqi Arabs are, meets the standard as well, because the Islamic State regards Shiism as innovation, and to innovate on the Koran is to deny its initial perfection. (The Islamic State claims that common Shiite practices, such as worship at the graves of imams and public self-flagellation, have no basis in the Koran or in the example of the Prophet.)

That means roughly 200 million Shia are marked for death.

So too are the heads of state of every Muslim country, who have elevated man-made law above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God.

The Atlantic - What ISIS Really Want

Their extreme radicalism will be there undoing ... it makes them predictable.

originally posted by: Millions
a reply to: Klassified

Interesting post, Klassified.

I'm not sure what you're hinting at though. Where do you think the money is coming from? And what is the real agenda?

Good questions. I won't pretend to know the answers, but a guess would be: the Saudi's, and Western world interests. I also see that our government and corporate interests in the states seem to always need a reason for us to be over there. IS is the perfect excuse. Among others, of course.

ISIS does crazy stuff because they need recruits. If you are trying to get recruits by saying hey we are trying to carve out a small state in the middle of Iraq and Syria please come fight so we can rule that are your not going to get much.

If however you make grand claims about taking over the world, a great holy war, and grand plans you get recruits attention. If you do crazy stuff and get headlines all the time you get recruits attention. When you watch how the West stirs itself up in a big ball of fear seeing ISIS every where it gets recruits attention. The fact is, ISIS is just another group with local goals that just so happens to have picked up AlQuidas trick of pretending to be much more than they are.

Remember they are looking for a certain kind of person. They do not worry about offending your average Muslim because your average Muslim was never going to join a Jihad to begin with. They are looking for the poor, with no hope, who have nothing but rage. And that is the group that sees ISIS and wants to join. Even if they are being sold a fake bill of goods it will be to late once they join up.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Kryties
IS keeps making enemies because that's what their benefactors are funding them to do. And those benefactors are about as Muslim as you and I are. Find out who is really funding them, and you'll find out what the end game is.

Exactly. They are creating enemies in the area and killing muslims. They were in Syria bordering Israel but never made a move. Not that we want them too, but this was even noted by a mideast sketch comedy group that did a skit where yhey were militants stopping people on the road to Israel. They killed every Muslim they stopped and let the Jewish guy go. They werent being hateful either or implying that the Jewish guy should be killed, they were just pointing out that these groups were killing fellow muslims and giving the group, theyve been very vocal in calling their enemy, a wide berth.

We know our country gave them a lot of weapons supporting Syrian rebels, but there is no way IS is pillaging enough to feed and supply their fighters. When you are fighting you arent farming. Someone is supplying then. My guess would be its still Saudi Arabia.

a reply to: MrSpad

I dont think you have thought this through.
If you are subtle and dont do insane things, sure recruitments are low, but you actually acheive your goal. Also you dont need as many recruits because you dont have multiple muslim (muslim nations that are respected and will slow recruits) nations bombing them into dust.

So no I dont think its for recruits. Its just the continued destabilzation of the mid east funded by Saudia Arabia and the US is probably involved, or at least have held their hands all the way up until they turned into ISIS.

I read that article here is the original from the Atlantic

www.theatlantic.com...

Ive been saying this for months that Isis is a mentally deranged religious cult and that that is what motivates them and that’s how they think...and that they wont stop therefore Obama should take the measures to destroy them.

Either Obama is taking orders to do what he doing NOTHING for some sinister plaot

Or he too is mentally deranged

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: Millions
a reply to: Klassified

Interesting post, Klassified.

I'm not sure what you're hinting at though. Where do you think the money is coming from? And what is the real agenda?

Good questions. I won't pretend to know the answers, but a guess would be: the Saudi's, and Western world interests. I also see that our government and corporate interests in the states seem to always need a reason for us to be over there. IS is the perfect excuse. Among others, of course.

Why are they so damn crazy? I suspect that it is because 'Joe Six-Pack' does not yet hate Muslims quite enough.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Kryties

Don't you mean the countless victims of aggressive wars waged in the region by the west?

You want to magnify the ISIS crisis just like the main stream media. You even cite their dogma.

Wow, you should change your medication mate it's making you see things that aren't there.

ISIS is a SMALL FRACTION of the Muslim world. A subset of deluded people who kill anyone who doesn't agree with their ideology - Muslim, Christian, Atheist, anyone.

Thats what this thread is about, not the agenda you are trying to bring into it.

(Emphasis added) My agenda is exposing yours. You moved the goal posts… in your opening statement you stated…

It also makes the good point of saying that ISIS are not just going after a particular religious group or belief, but that the world as a whole is their enemy to be vanquished in the supposed upcoming "apocalypse".

(Emphasis added) Make up your mind. Are they a "SMALL FRACTION" or an "upcoming apocalypse"?

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Kryties

…or the countless beheaded Christians and Muslims would disagree with your assessment of ISIS being "victims".

Don't you mean the countless victims of aggressive wars waged in the region by the west?

You want to magnify the ISIS crisis just like the main stream media. You even cite their dogma.

Which is why the west should not get involved.

Look at your statement "countless victims of aggressive wars waged in the region by the west"
and your earlier statement "The whole Middle East has been victimized by the west"


That sentiment alone is quite telling
it gives the ultimate reason why the west
needs to not allow any of their citizens to enter the Middle East
to not send troops
to not engage remotely
and to only engage on their own soil in the west when issues arise
and to leave the region entirely and fully
until the Muslim countries themselves put an end to this.

This strong feeling you voiced is the very reason
the west should not send troops
and should disallow all travel by its citizens to the Middle East
(meaning if even a journalist goes, they are fully on their own
because they were told by the west that the Middle East is a
no go zone for all westerners)
until Muslims themselves
put an end to the evil Daesh Islamists.

Is that something you wrote or do you have a link for that? I agree with it mostly, except that I think the west has created or promoted the troubles there today. There may be old rivalries, but dumping weapons and bombs into the fray has only made it worse. Convenient that. No lack of ongoing requirements to fix it.

More "Peace Bombs" on the way.

a reply to: intrptr

I wrote it myself,
original work
original thought

Just the fact that the perception that the west dumped weapons, created or promoted the troubles;
is enough for me to say perception is reality for many.

For that very reason, the west needs to back off, leave it alone,
in the region itself,
and forbid all travel to the region by western citizens.

If the west really wants to do something,
they can chase after these rumors and if found true
vigorously prosecute those who supplied weapons
(regardless of how high up in the government the person is)
vigorously prosecute any and all who send money to the evil Daesh Islamists
That is the only thing the west can do that won't make matters worse.
Take care of the evil supporters at home, jail them for a very very very long time.

Also stop being apologists who infantile Muslims
by saying things like:
well .... did the same thing 1000 years ago
well... did the same thing 200 years ago
well... so and so have people who are doing the same thing.
This is saying that the evil Daesh Muslims
are no more accountable or able to control themselves
than children who say
so and so did it, so that's why I did it.

Then let the Middle East alone,
they are adults and can handle their own problems,
the west is treating the ME leadership and people as if they
were children and with the sort of assistance
one would give a mentally challenged child.
This must stop!

How is the west infantilizing the evil Daesh Muslims?
and the leadership of the Middle East?

Well let's look at it this way -

Johnny's father says to his neighbor when Johnny killed the neighbors pet:

Well 1000 years ago your great great great...grandfather killed one of my great ....grandfather's goats
Then 200 years ago your great great great grandfather killed one of my great...grandfather's chickens
Also, recently we heard your son say that our pet is f-ugly

So that is why Johnny did it
and I think Johnny is justified in doing it.

Don't blame Johnny, blame your great great and
great great great .... grandfather,
your family deserves to have your pet killed.

Then you go to a judge (community leader) with your complaint
and the judge says, I think Johnny's father has a point,
your ancestors provoked it, case closed.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I wrote it myself,
original work
original thought

Cool…
I would summarize,

"US out of everywhere."

Maybe we should bomb them with porn magazines, so that way they would blow or behead each other...It probably demotivate them, or defile God.

The biggest terrorist a decade ago was Usama, and he was hiding amongst a stash of them.

originally posted by: Specimen

Maybe we should bomb them with porn magazines

I love it, let's do that!!

I reckon if we raided the basements of half the trolls on this website we'd get enough porn to bomb each and every member of ISIS with at least 3 different magazines!

Save the LGBT ones for the leaders!

Maybe ISIS really does have the "divine protection" they speak of. After all, they commit atrocities in the open, during the light of day, and even film them as they occur. The "super powers" are brimming with earth and space-based technology, yet can't stop the carnage. Our impotence is embarrassing as much as it is maddening.

a reply to: Kryties

Its because the US wants to bomb and destabilise Sryia. There more enemies they create the bigger the colation force. If they wanted to stop them they would take away there internets and publicity. A relative easy thing to do.
Last week I watched anon knock hundreds of ISIS twitter accounts offiline. Funny the US government could have done that with a phone call. They choose not to and that speaks volumeehs.

All there videos are profesionaly made.. Its all a little too perfect.



purp..

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: MrSpad

I dont think you have thought this through.
If you are subtle and dont do insane things, sure recruitments are low, but you actually acheive your goal. Also you dont need as many recruits because you dont have multiple muslim (muslim nations that are respected and will slow recruits) nations bombing them into dust.

So no I dont think its for recruits. Its just the continued destabilzation of the mid east funded by Saudia Arabia and the US is probably involved, or at least have held their hands all the way up until they turned into ISIS.

Of course you need recruits. And what new enemies have they made? Since they are backed by Sunni Iraqis they already would have Iran and its backers against them, they started off as enemies of Jordan and the Gulf States so they already had that, when they teamed up with Assad to beat down the Western backed rebels in Syria they already has the West after them. What new threat have they created by all the made for TV killings? None of note. A few more aircraft from the Arab states and Europe but, that is nothing when they were already dealing with bombings by the US. They create these big shocking events to get maximum coverage and that brings in recruits and funding. If another random nation delcares war on them so what? It is not like outside of the US anybody has the power to truly come after them. And the last thing the US wants is to be dragged into a decades long war and occupation again. So really when it comes down to it, ISIS gets exactly what it wants from these acts. All the free press in the world.

It’s clear they are either an apocalyptic cult, though on a bigger scale, like Jim Jones, Manson, Dave Quraish, even the ancient assassins

OR

The leadership are some kind of puppets for some sinister black op

Mossad, NATO, USA/CIA/DIA

Of course it can be something in between as well

They have the arrogance of religious crazies…

With their strutting pride in their own evil

Amazing the Quran vehemently condemns such depraved pride.

What Quran are they following?

The Quran that praises Christian monks as : “they are not proud”

Too bad we, as a people, didnt stand by the irarqi's. I often wonder i say "hey maybe things coud have been different". Give them hope and yet you gave them charcoel Kryties.

Well, i said form Egypt spring is they are over populated. And that is the root of the problems. The days of one guy having his own tribe is over. How you going to feed them Kryties? But..IDK, i read a lot of these posts and i cannot say you stuck by them either. Hey you know...moral support.