70,000 Years Ago a Red Dwarf Star Flyby Our Solar System by Less Than a Light Year

Well a Brown Dwarf is coming! That I do know and its in most of our lifetimes. It passed pretty close to us in 2010 and it will be even closer on its way back out. (Way to close). In 2010 we had the moon or earth get completely yanked out of whack along with the massive quake in Japan and a few other large ones. A lot of people seen the moon or earth getting pulled so bad the man on the moon showed it well.

Today native Indian tribes will state on the record that the stars are not where they should be as they can not navigate by them anymore and the seasons have changed so that tells its earth that is getting pulled on so much its tilting more.

Well, I have seen plenty of garbage posted on this site, but that post takes first prize. Where on Earth are you getting your "evidence" from??

a reply to: Indigent

Great find. Thank you.

Only for the 'almost' believers:
Let us put aside Sitchin's theory for a while, just there where he talks about the periodic return of the small dark twin sister of our sun. For example, suppose that the brown and/or sub brown dwarf system passed only once at a distance less than a light year from here. (Not that we dismiss Sitchin’s theory but let us keep all options open.)
Keep in mind that the most important sentence of the theory gains strength: An intelligent life form visited earth many thousands of years ago, long before the cave paintings of Chauvet. The aliens implanted their soul in a living creature here on earth. Etcetera.
All evawaseerst claims remains intact except the fact that a brown or sub brown dwarf visits us every 26,000 years with all its consequences. The 26000-year cycle remains a given fact we cannot dismiss but maybe it has another meaning than warning us for mega disasters. Catastrophes that without questioning are arriving anyway with or without regularity.
If 70,000 years ago a system of brown and sub brown dwarf had a close encounter with earth (0.8 light years) then it is possible an alien race visited us.
Read www.evawaseerst.be... (red dots)
Let us suppose there is no other planet that wanders through our solar system (which is far from sure), then this is a perfect alternative for explaining the fact that humans don't fit on this planeth.
Could the flying dark sun our ancesters all over the world spoke about have been the moon? Was Nibiru the moon? Read 'spaceship moon' from the link above.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge
Well a Brown Dwarf is coming! That I do know and its in most of our lifetimes. It passed pretty close to us in 2010 and it will be even closer on its way back out. (Way to close). In 2010 we had the moon or earth get completely yanked out of whack

No, we didn't.

A Brown Dwarf is made mostly of Iron (Oxide Rust)

No, it's not.

More precisely, a brown dwarf is a massive ball of hydrogen, helium, and trace amounts of metals that is not massive enough to burn hydrogen, but is massive enough to burn deuterium.

www.astrophysicsspectator.com...
To the extent that it has trace metals and those metals form dust clouds (journals.cambridge.org... ) it only makes the brown dwarf reflect more light (with clouds the dashed line is higher than the solid line without clouds):
arxiv.org...

The only way earth will get any advanced warning is with an Infra Red telescope.

Ok, I've got one of those...
h.dropcanvas.com...

When the big quakes start up again pay close attention to the moon, when it does not look right

You apparently don't know what it's supposed to look like or how to predict what it should look like. See above.

originally posted by: ngchunter

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: ngchunter
a reply to: Wolfenz

Please show us proof that the proper and radial motion of this star is consistent with the Sagittarius dwarf.

I DID check out the links I Posted !

No, that does not prove that the proper and radial motion of this star is consistent with the Sagittarius dwarf. Yes, I know what a "rogue planet" is. Do you know what the proper and radial motions of a star are?

Yes Im Aware of what the meaning of a proper Motion of a Star I mentioned this in a Couple of threads

same goes with proper Motion with the planets to it Star!


But For a Rouge Star

The Proper motion would not Comply to where it came from or where its Going

Especially where its Bound to hit or go Near Something ( Gravfity Pull ) for it to go off course

Proper Motion and Parallax Were it not for the motion of the Earth around the Sun, proper motion would lead to a simple drift of the position of a star on the celestial sphere in a particular direction. However, because of the motion of the Earth on its orbit, there is a parallax effect for stars that are near enough to exhibit significant proper motion that causes the star to execute motion in a small ellipse on the celestial sphere over a period of a year (this ellipse is just a mirror of the actual motion of the Earth on its elliptical orbit).

csep10.phys.utk.edu...

In Laymans terms a Butterfly Effect...

So ...

I Post this Already Ill do it again

COLLIDING DWARF GALAXY TRIGGERED FORMATION OF MILKY WAY’S SPIRAL ARMS
REVEALED BY SUPERCOMPUTER SIMULATION AT
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, IRVINE
hipacc.ucsc.edu...

See the Path where our Sun Would be ? its in the Direct Path





you many want to Stand on your Argument with Them !


but where DID this Star originated whats the Estimate Theory here ??


My Point is.. It Could of came from anywhere

as Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy (( Strung Out Merger ARM )) is Right in Our Path

( Laymans Term ) The Galaxy is Playing Chicken With Us..


The Stars you See may not be from Our own Galaxy !

Even Our Own Solar System may not be from the Milky Way but

from one of the 3 Galaxy's that is Merging with the Milky way..

originally posted by: Wolfenz
But For a Rouge Star

The Proper motion would not Comply to where it came from or where its Going

No, you apparently don't even know what a rogue star is. Yes, the motion does show where it came from and where it is going. A rogue star is one whose velocity is at or above galactic escape velocity, but the velocity vector still tells you where it came from and where it is going. So by all means, prove to us that this star's velocity vector indicates it "escaped from" the sagittarius dwarf. I'm getting tired of asking you and you not answering. Handwaving to the existence of the sagittarius dwarf passing near our section of the galaxy does not prove what I'm asking you.

originally posted by: ngchunter

originally posted by: Wolfenz
But For a Rogue Star

The Proper motion would not Comply to where it came from or where its Going

No, you apparently don't even know what a rogue star is. Yes, the motion does show where it came from and where it is going. A rogue star is one whose velocity is at or above galactic escape velocity, but the velocity vector still tells you where it came from and where it is going. So by all means, prove to us that this star's velocity vector indicates it "escaped from" the sagittarius dwarf. I'm getting tired of asking you and you not answering. Handwaving to the existence of the sagittarius dwarf passing near our section of the galaxy does not prove what I'm asking you.

Ahh yeah I DO!! Know what it is !

It doesn't have to come from the Milky way Either ! but from Another Galaxy merging into another

in this Pool Table Universe ( Rack um UP do some trick shots )


OR


Rogue stars ejected from the galaxy found in intergalactic space
news.vanderbilt.edu...


Lost in Space: Half of All Stars Are Rogues Between Galaxies
By Charles Q. Choi, Space.com Contributor | November 06, 2014 02:01pm ET
www.space.com...

the question is why cant it ! come from the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy or the Canis Major Galaxy?

So Obviously you Claiming you Do you Tell US !

Here some Info for the Rest of ATS


(FAQ)
"The Closest Known Flyby of a Star to the Solar System"
Mamajek, E.E., Barenfeld, S.A., Ivanov, V.D., Kniazev, A.Y., Vaisanen, P., Beletsky, Y., & Boffin, H.M.J, 2015, Astrophysical Journal Letters, 800, L17
www.pas.rochester.edu...


Point Blank:: this Star didn't Share the Same Birth Cluster as Our Own

WHY??

Stars with really tiny radial velocities and tiny tangential motions may be scientifically interesting, however, as such velocities are what you'd expect for "solar siblings" (i.e. stars that would have shared the Sun's same birth cluster) - but this is getting off topic. Scholz's star is certainly not such a star, as it is moving ~83 km/s with respect to the Sun.

And for those where English is a second, third or fourth language (or first) it's ROGUE star... a rouge star would have lipstick or blush applied.

And again, anyone more versed in planetary physics know what the article meant when it said although no direct observation was possible, em effects might have be seen with a naked eye?

A flair up? Our sun's reaction? Auroras? I can't figure that out...

originally posted by: Baddogma
And for those where English is a second, third or fourth language (or first) it's ROGUE star... a rouge star would have lipstick or blush applied.

And again, anyone more versed in planetary physics know what the article meant when it said although no direct observation was possible, em effects might have be seen with a naked eye?

A flair up? Our sun's reaction? Auroras? I can't figure that out...

Thank You !

Rogue Star

Actually Intergalactic Star ..


Rouge Star


Rouge French Word for-- Red

Scholz Star A Rogue Star is a RED Dwarf Star

So its kinda of Legit ..


Thanks for Pointing that Out tho.. [---- Intentionally ) *Though...

Note to Self Check your Grammar Check Your Grammar And SPELLING too.. that Helps

or you be Considered Someone as a Foreigner to the Language of English..

Well for a Signature for myself I do Tend to Miss letters

Anyway ....

originally posted by: Wolfenz

the question is why cant it ! come from the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy or the Canis Major Galaxy?

So Obviously you Claiming you Do you Tell US !

No, it's not up to me to prove a negative, it's up to you to prove your claim that it did. Show us that the velocity vector is consistent with a sagittarius dwarf star, I'm still waiting. You said you proved it, where is the proof?

Meanwhile, here's a cool webcast (by ngchunter, if I'm not mistaken), looking at that very star: www.youtube.com...



(You can see the star from around 46:40 time mark.

Thank you all for a very interesting read, Looking at the milky way at night, I am struck by the thought that as the milky way arches above me, does that make our solar system at almost right angles to the galactic plain?

If something like this were to occur again, I think it would be an efficient method of Interstellar travel, by hitching a ride and colonizing a planet of a solar system that was passing by nearby and do the same thing again when another star has a close encounter of that solar system.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

You'd have to be patient though, because I believe our next close encounter with another star won't be until around 300,000 - 400,000 years from now?

originally posted by: Junkheap
If something like this were to occur again, I think it would be an efficient method of Interstellar travel, by hitching a ride and colonizing a planet of a solar system that was passing by nearby and do the same thing again when another star has a close encounter of that solar system.

It would be quite a task to: 1) travel almost 1 light year to reach that star, and 2) reach the incredible speed the star is traveling at, so that we could catch up with it.

originally posted by: wildespace
Meanwhile, here's a cool webcast (by ngchunter, if I'm not mistaken), looking at that very star: www.youtube.com...

(You can see the star from around 46:40 time mark.

Can't believe I knocked the polar alignment out right as I was about to begin. Oh well, I recovered. Here's the stacked image:
h.dropcanvas.com...
And here's the gif animation of the POSS1/2 plates combined with the red channel from last night's image:
h.dropcanvas.com...
Even though it's the red channel it's really red light + infrared light which is why Scholz's star suddenly appears to get brighter in my image. What's mysterious to me is why the other high proper motion star we were talking USNO-B1.0 0812-0137446 looks like it's "curving" in the animation. Do you see that or is it just me? I wonder if that's the result of parallax from it being a nearby star... There are several other stars with visible proper motion over the 60 year time frame you can see as well but they all look pretty normal to me.

originally posted by: Wolfenz
Scholz Star A Rogue Star is a RED Dwarf Star

There is no data to suggest that it's a rogue star. If there is, let's see it.

originally posted by: wildespace

originally posted by: Wolfenz
Scholz Star A Rogue Star is a RED Dwarf Star

There is no data to suggest that it's a rogue star. If there is, let's see it.

WOW..


Type:

Scholz Star Rouge Star Data

in your Preferred Browser

I Use FireFox most of the Time .. with Google

Find some Legit Sites like University's, Observatory's, Affiliation with NASA etc...

Let Me Know how it goes!



Meanwhile Do Some Researching and read what is Below


"The Closest Known Flyby of a Star to the Solar System"
Mamajek, E.E., Barenfeld, S.A., Ivanov, V.D., Kniazev, A.Y., Vaisanen, P., Beletsky, Y., & Boffin, H.M.J, 2015, Astrophysical Journal Letters, 800, L17
(see FAQ below)
www.pas.rochester.edu...


The E Mail your Argument too..

The Astrophysical Journal Letters

American Astronomical Society
iopscience.iop.org...

originally posted by: Junkheap
If something like this were to occur again, I think it would be an efficient method of Interstellar travel, by hitching a ride and colonizing a planet of a solar system that was passing by nearby and do the same thing again when another star has a close encounter of that solar system.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

You'd have to be patient though, because I believe our next close encounter with another star won't be until around 300,000 - 400,000 years from now?

This is a cool idea which has actually been thought about in depth by others. Google an article called "Island Hoping to the Stars".

originally posted by: ngchunter

originally posted by: Wolfenz

the question is why cant it ! come from the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy or the Canis Major Galaxy?

So Obviously you Claiming you Do you Tell US !

No, it's not up to me to prove a negative, it's up to you to prove your claim that it did. Show us that the velocity vector is consistent with a sagittarius dwarf star, I'm still waiting. You said you proved it, where is the proof?

Does a low tangential velocity of a nearby star suggest it's likely either coming towards or has already been quite near or in the solar system? (Couldn't it have a low tangential velocity AND a low radial velocity, or if that's an unlikely combo, why so?)

A low tangential and low radial velocity would mean the star's velocity vector is very similar to that of the Sun's. The velocities of local stars in the solar neighborhood are smeared out over several tens of kilometers per second in each dimension (3 dimensions: one towards the Galactic Center "U", towards the direction of Galactic rotation "V", and towards the north Galactic pole "W"). The smaller one draws one box in velocity space (e.g. the velocity of such-and-such star must be within x kilometers/second of such-and-such velocity) the fewer field stars will satisfy that criterion (unless the velocity you originally select is close to that of a nearby stellar cluster or association). So very few stars have velocities within a few km/s of that of the Sun (i.e. ones that would show both tiny tangential motions and radial motions).

Stars with really tiny radial velocities and tiny tangential motions may be scientifically interesting, however, as such velocities are what you'd expect for "solar siblings" (i.e. stars that would have shared the Sun's same birth cluster) - but this is getting off topic. Scholz's star is certainly not such a star, as it is moving ~83 km/s with respect to the Sun.

www.pas.rochester.edu...




Read the last Paragraph..

Its either from a Near Earth Super Nova or a From the Merging of One of the 3 Galaxy's that is Merging with in Our Own the Milky Way..

And with that Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy The Long Stretched..
Strung Out Arm is In Our Own Path Our Arm of Our Our Solar System.. According to Some University's

and the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy has Multiple Warps around Our Milky way from the Process of the Merging

its going to be 4 Galaxy's into ONE Eventually ! then Eventually Andromeda will too ...

Its My Speculation ...


Another Clue?



Ring of Stars around the Spiral Disk?
www.solstation.com...

If a complete ring, the structure does not appear to be completely round. It also appears to be warped, probably from encounters with satellite galaxies orbiting the Milky Way such as the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds and the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy. Its stars are also very dispersed so that observers from a good distance outside the Milky Way would see only a "ghostly" ring because of its low surface brightness (Ibata et al, 2003). Initial observations suggest that stars in the ring are bluer than those found in the galaxy's thick disk (Yanny et al, 2003). Their initial metallicities are low (averaging around 2.5 percent of Sol's abundance of iron, and mostly ranging from 1.3 to 5.0 percent of Sol's) suggest that they are as scarce in elements heavier than hydrogen and helium as many thick disk and halo stars. Some astronomers believe that the ring may be the remains of a satellite galaxy, spun apart by the stronger gravity of the Milky Way. As smaller galaxies are pulled apart, they dissolve into streams of stars and gas around their host galaxies (see the discussion or "star streams" or "tidal trails" from the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy). Gravity, primarily from unseen dark matter, can hold the ring in a nearly circular orbit around the host galaxy. Previous studies of stellar rings around other galaxies suggest that a substantial portion of galaxies like the Milky Way are formed by a lot of smaller galaxies mixing together, according to SDSS team co-leader Heidi Jo Newberg. If the ring was created by a merger, then it may have occurred billions of years ago, according to SDSS team co-leader Brian Yanny. Alternatively, the stars of the ring could have formed within the Milky Way, according Mike Irwin of the ING team. Its stars could have originally come from the galaxy's spiral disk through warping of the spiral disk from ancient as well as more recent gravitational interactions with satellite galaxies or even larger galactic neighbors. Over time, however, their orbits have been warped or spread over time so that the stars in the ring now wander far from the plane of the spiral disk (Ibata et al, 2003).

So Even Science isn't giving a Strait Answer Where this Star Originated from its Rogue Intergalactic Path

All we know is where it is Now that 20 Light years Away and that is the constellation of Monoceros which is Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy's Territorial Path...

originally posted by: wildespace
Meanwhile, here's a cool webcast (by ngchunter, if I'm not mistaken), looking at that very star: www.youtube.com...

(You can see the star from around 46:40 time mark.

Thats All Fine and Dandy that He is Showing where this Star's Scholz's location is Now !

and Showing a Position from the Earliest Point Photo Taken of the exact same spot 30 years ago claiming a Slight Movement well seeing its moving at 83 km/s ..


Well jump back 70,000 years ? Then Another 70,000 years Where would it of been then! Proper Motion ...

What is Facing the opposite Direction of the Movement the Constellation of Monoceros ?

It is bordered by Orion to the west, Gemini to the north, Canis Major to the south and Hydra to the east. Other bordering constellations include Canis Minor, Lepus and Puppis.

en.wikipedia.org...


Rings Around the Galaxy
www.redorbit.com...

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: wildespace

originally posted by: Wolfenz
Scholz Star A Rogue Star is a RED Dwarf Star

There is no data to suggest that it's a rogue star. If there is, let's see it.

WOW..


Type:

Scholz Star Rouge Star Data

in your Preferred Browser

I Use FireFox most of the Time .. with Google

Find some Legit Sites like University's, Observatory's, Affiliation with NASA etc...

Let Me Know how it goes!

I didn't find any science papers identifying that star as a rogue star (as in, having galactic escape velocity). I did find some popular science articles and news sites calling it a "rogue star", but that's just a nickname for the laymen, not a scietific definition.

In case you didn't know, a rogue star is a star that has galactic escape velocity, and is either found in the intergalactic space, or observed to be moving out towards intergalactic space.

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Regarding your posts in this thread (and in other Space Exploration threads): you post a lot of stuff, and obviously trying to convey something, but unfortunately hardly any of it makes sense or follows any cohesion. Just a bunch of statements and links. Sorry.