For everyone who claims Shariah is not slowly creeping up in America . . . . .

originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: Sremmos80

You are supporting a group that wants everyone that isn't like them to burn.

Do you also support the murder of homosexuals?

You are if you are sitting here making excuses for the people that are doing it.

And who are those people who are murdering homosexuals here in the West?
Or are you judging the entire Muslim population with the acts of some nutcases over in the Middle East?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: chuck258
The problem I have, and I think most people who are LOGICAL and not Muslim apologists is with people who immigrate here who will not know that they don't have to do everything the Muslim way.

I wouldn't worry about immigrants if I were you. They'll figure it out. There's US law and then there's a voluntary Muslim tribunal (NOT law) , which is much like visiting a preacher for marriage advice, as you stated.

Men have already gotten away with felonies in other parts of the US because of their ignorance of US law

Can you site what you mean here?

At least Mayor Beth van Duyne has a pair.

How's that? By vowing to not allow the Shariah Court to infringe upon citizens' rights? Duh! Every official is obliged to defend citizens' rights. She's nothing special.

At your first bolded: I give you the case of a Pennsylvania Judge who defended a man who assaulted an atheist who was dressed up as mohammed because 'In Muslim Countries, that is a death sentence"
www.americanthinker.com...

These are the types of cases I fear could become commonplace if this 'tribunal' is unchallenged. I forsee many more Muslim immigrants/refugees coming to America in our future with all the conflict that is going on there, and as I said in my original post, due to the nature of immigration, they are more likely to flock to areas in the US that already have established Muslim populations. Texas has the highest count of Muslims out of all the states, therefore, a larger portion of Muslims are likely to immigrate there. If a very conservative Muslim family moves here from Helmand province Afghanistan for example, they are not going to know that they don't have to subject themselves to American laws, I think they may even SEEK OUT Sharia 'tribunals' because that is ALL THEY KNOW. Again, as I stated in my original post, I think we need to do everything in our power to inform people who move here, especially those who are traditionally victims of Sharia law (Women, underage girls, homosexuals, etc.) that here in America, they are free to do as they wish. I believe this tribunal warrants close official scrutiny.

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Right they are not throwing gays off of tall buildings in the US

but they are throwing them off tall buildings in the ME

and killing them in the Middle East


Where is the LGBT outrage? I have not seen any.

I don't live in the Middle East, and the laws of the country I live in are not applicable in the Middle East. Is it horrible that these things happen there? Yes. But don't pretend like it is a pressing security issue for the US.

It is not a security issue

it is a blatant hypocritical issue

ignore it in the ME, and go overboard in screaming about little things like cakes in the US.

You'd think the LGBT community would be up in arms about routine killing of gays in the ME, but not a peep, because it is politically incorrect to criticize the ME "customs"

This court is for, to my understanding, settling issues within the Muslim community regarding their religious laws.

Muslims get divorced; have issues between each other just like any religion.

Muslims argue over religion amongst themselves a lot just like all religions therefore they want an arbiter.

Muslims can't even agree when to fast or when the fast stops.

That’s all this is

a reply to: Sremmos80

Oops-just noticed it.

Religious freedom doesn't apply to sharia law-which is a form of gov no matter how you try to make it religious.

So no-they do not have the right to practice sharia law in the U.S..

originally posted by: Boeing777
a reply to: chuck258

Jews have their own courts and have been operating them here for ages.
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.independent.co.uk...

I wasn't aware Irving Texas was located in the United Kingdom.

Learn something new every day.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Right they are not throwing gays off of tall buildings in the US

but they are throwing them off tall buildings in the ME

and killing them in the Middle East


Where is the LGBT outrage? I have not seen any.

I don't live in the Middle East, and the laws of the country I live in are not applicable in the Middle East. Is it horrible that these things happen there? Yes. But don't pretend like it is a pressing security issue for the US.

It is not a security issue

it is a blatant hypocritical issue

ignore it in the ME, and go overboard in screaming about little things like cakes in the US.

You'd think the LGBT community would be up in arms about routine killing of gays in the ME, but not a peep, because it is politically incorrect to criticize the ME "customs"

Or maybe because (to generalize as you are) the LGBT community is sane enough to not be frightened of what is happening in a third-world country on the opposite side of the globe.

Since when do conservatives care about homosexuals anyway?

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: Boeing777
a reply to: chuck258

Jews have their own courts and have been operating them here for ages.
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.independent.co.uk...

I wasn't aware Irving Texas was located in the United Kingdom.

Learn something new every day.

You could have made an effort to read the article.

Imagine having to go through the trauma of an acrimonious divorce knowing all the way through the process that the community you live in will still consider you to be married.

When Miriam decided her marriage to her husband was no longer working she soon discovered that getting a divorce in Britain's law courts would be the least of her worries.

As a devout Orthodox Jew from a close-knit community in north London, the only way she would really be free to get on with her life would be if her husband granted her a get – a Jewish divorce document authenticated by a rabbi and given by a husband to his wife releasing her from their marriage.

Within Halakha (Jewish law) only the husband has the power to grant a get and if he refuses his wife becomes an agunah, or chained wife. Trapped in a marriage they cannot get out of, an agunah is often shunned by her community, which forbids her from remarrying and reminds her that any further children she has with anyone other than her husband would be considered illegitimate.

www.independent.co.uk...

a reply to: grandmakdw

Right.

Americans don't want it here-that is why we have to be extremely vocal about it (and not worry about hurting traitors' feelings.)

It's our own fault if we allow these snakes to gain political momentum in our gov-which is what these apologists want to happen to America.

It goes hand in hand with trying to disarm law abiding citizens-because they know how hundreds of thousands-if not millions of armed Americans will say enough is enough and handle the problem ourselves.

a reply to: chuck258

one has to wonder why the wingnuts who are complaining here dont find " judge judy " abhorent ?

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Right they are not throwing gays off of tall buildings in the US

but they are throwing them off tall buildings in the ME

and killing them in the Middle East


Where is the LGBT outrage? I have not seen any.

I don't live in the Middle East, and the laws of the country I live in are not applicable in the Middle East. Is it horrible that these things happen there? Yes. But don't pretend like it is a pressing security issue for the US.

It is not a security issue

it is a blatant hypocritical issue

ignore it in the ME, and go overboard in screaming about little things like cakes in the US.

You'd think the LGBT community would be up in arms about routine killing of gays in the ME, but not a peep, because it is politically incorrect to criticize the ME "customs"

Or maybe because (to generalize as you are) the LGBT community is sane enough to not be frightened of what is happening in a third-world country on the opposite side of the globe.

Since when do conservatives care about homosexuals anyway?

You are generalizing, just because I am conservative, doesn't mean I am against homosexuals. Quite the opposite, my philosophy is what one does in the bedroom is not my business. I am strongly opposed to anyone, in any country, killing people who are harming no one with what they do in private with a consenting adult.

Why don't feminists care about women in other countries? That's hypocritical.

Why doesn't the LBGT community care about homosexuals in other countries? That's hypocritical.

When feminism and LGBT ignore
and by ignoring condone this behavior
by saying
"it doesn't affect gays in this country"
it is a cultural choice for "them", well
then when it happens in western countries
in "no go" zones, which do exist in Europe
where non-Muslims dare not enter
because Shariah is the law of the zone
will they again say it is "cultural"
and ignore it due to political correctness?

What makes it acceptable because it doesn't affect gays and women in the US?
What a horrid rationalization.
It is never acceptable.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: chuck258

one has to wonder why the wingnuts who are complaining here dont find " judge judy " abhorent ?

Angry white ladies telling you what to do and making snap judgements on you is totally cool.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

well
then when it happens in western countries
in "no go" zones, which do exist in Europe
where non-Muslims dare not enter
because Shariah is the law of the zone
will they again say it is "cultural"
and ignore it due to political correctness?

Where are those so called Islamic "no go zones" in Europe? Birmingham? London? Frankfurt?

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Right they are not throwing gays off of tall buildings in the US

but they are throwing them off tall buildings in the ME

and killing them in the Middle East


Where is the LGBT outrage? I have not seen any.

I don't live in the Middle East, and the laws of the country I live in are not applicable in the Middle East. Is it horrible that these things happen there? Yes. But don't pretend like it is a pressing security issue for the US.

It is not a security issue

it is a blatant hypocritical issue

ignore it in the ME, and go overboard in screaming about little things like cakes in the US.

You'd think the LGBT community would be up in arms about routine killing of gays in the ME, but not a peep, because it is politically incorrect to criticize the ME "customs"

Or maybe because (to generalize as you are) the LGBT community is sane enough to not be frightened of what is happening in a third-world country on the opposite side of the globe.

Since when do conservatives care about homosexuals anyway?

You are generalizing, just because I am conservative, doesn't mean I am against homosexuals. Quite the opposite, my philosophy is what one does in the bedroom is not my business. I am strongly opposed to anyone, in any country, killing people who are harming no one with what they do in private with a consenting adult.

Why don't feminists care about women in other countries? That's hypocritical.

Why doesn't the LBGT community care about homosexuals in other countries? That's hypocritical.

When feminism and LGBT ignore and by ignoring condone this behavior by saying
"it doesn't affect gays in this country"
it is a cultural choice for "them", well
then when it happens in western countries
in "no go" zones, which do exist in Europe
where non-Muslims dare not enter
because Shariah is the law of the zone
will they again say it is "cultural"
and ignore it due to political correctness?

So in what made-up version of reality do you think people don't care about what's happening in the Middle East? What are they supposed to do about it? Other be full of irrational anger and false outrage and spout Fox talking points, that is.

Double post

a reply to: FalcoFan

But they are not practicing it here in the states, just practicing their religion.

We are talking about the states here, not the barbaric ME.
Try and keep that in context here.

Many a family here in the states abide by the rules as seen in the bible, do you have issues with that?
As it would fall into the same category we are talking here.

a reply to: Boeing777

Isn't interesting how the word "moderate" only applies to muslims?

Why isn't the word moderate allowed to describe neo nazis,or kkk members?

I don't agree with any of the groups I mentioned-but I have noticed that the only real difference between the groups is the color of their skin.

They are ALL based on hate for those that are different-why do the muslims always get a break?

Double post.
messed my phone.

sharia law holds absolutely no, as in none, authority in the United States, or Canada. Give it a rest, please.

If there are courts it is in much the same manner as going to a pastor for counseling, as someone mentioned before.

The very first amendment of the Constitution forbids anything even remotely resembling Sharia Law. Good luck to anyone trying to enforce a judgement against according to Sharia Law if secular law doesn't agree... Won't work out too well.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: chuck258

This irrational nonsense about Sharia Law is laughable, if it wasn't so scary. And I don't mean that having it happen is scary, I mean the bigotry and willful ignorance of those ranting about it is scary.

Sharia Law DOES NOT replace our own laws.
Get this straight people, this is not an "instead of" situation. These religious groups do not get to simply ignore our own laws and make up their own, they don't get to create their own courts, or inflict any kind of punishment outside of the laws of our nations.

Got it? Good.

This is absolutely NO DIFFERENT to a couple going to a Rabbi for counseling, or a couple going to their church for a community meeting about a social issue, or a Catholic person going to confession.

You do not have the right to dictate what practices a religious group is allowed to have when those practices are not in any way in breach of our laws or Human Rights.

I thought I made it pretty clear. Everyone here knows that right now, these Tribunals are not replacing US laws. The issue I brought up was with people who may immigrate here who are unable to tell the difference because that is simply (and tragically) what they grew up with. All we ask for here is a few simple things: That everyone who comes to America knows they are subject to US LAW, and they are under no legal or official obligation to listen to this tribunal or any more that may eventually pop up. I only want to ensure these people know they they do not deserve to have acid thrown in their face for daring to show a bit of skin, or that they aren't going to be pushed off a tower for being homosexual.

There are also a few, shall we say inconsistencies I see with Liberals though: They will cry and whine and moan that the sky is going to fall about gun laws being scaled back after a mass shooting and claim it is going to cause another shooting. Or the repeal of the voting rights act is going to disenfranchise voters because of what happened 60 years ago. They think that because it happened 50 years ago it's going to happen today, but they have absolutely NO PROBLEM with Sharia courts getting an initial foothold in our country by immigrants who are coming from countries where Sharia is the law of the land and Christians are being beheaded just because. The hypocrisy is maddening.