Monsanto: the real reason for the conflict in the Ukraine??

Seems like the US has a stake in the Ukraine that has nothing to do with the freedom of the Ukrainians!!!!
And by the US, I mean the corporations like Bayer and Monsanto.

If anyone wants to post this in the public forum, feel free....I don't know enough about the issue to take on either side.....
Monsanto,IMF,NATO,& World Bank are Hell Bent on Owning Ukraine



A little background:

In late 2013, the then president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, rejected a European Union association agreement tied to the $17 billion IMF loan, whose terms are only now being revealed.

Instead, Yanukovych chose a Russian aid package worth $15 billion plus a discount on Russian natural gas. His decision was a major factor in the ensuing deadly protests that led to his ouster from office in February 2014 and the ongoing crisis.

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Ukrainian law bars farmers from growing GM crops. Long considered 'the bread basket of Europe', Ukraine's rich black soil is ideal for growing grains, and in 2012 Ukrainian farmers harvested more than 20 million tonnes of corn.

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Meanwhile, Russia's Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev stated in April: "We don't have a goal of developing GM products here or to import them. We can feed ourselves with normal, common, not genetically modified products. If the Americans like to eat such products, let them eat them. We don't need to do that; we have enough space and opportunities to produce organic food."

www.theecologist.org...

They've probably been growing wheat in the Ukraine since before settlers landed in the New World.
And apparently their farming methods work....why allow Monsanto to corrupt it and further destroy the planet....and the health of living creatures??

So, back to the present:
freeukrainenow.org...

Monsanto has an office in Ukraine. While this does not shout ‘culpability’ from every corner, it is no different than the US military’s habit to place bases in places that they want to gain political control. The opening of this office coincided with land grabs with loans from the IMF and World Bank to one of the world’s most hated corporations – all in support of their biotech takeover.

Previously, there was a ban on private sector land ownership in the country – but it was lifted ‘just in time’ for Monsanto to have its way with the Ukraine.

In fact, a bit of political maneuvering by the IMF gave the Ukraine a $17 billion loan – but only if they would open up to biotech farming and the selling of Monsanto’s poison crops and chemicals – destroying a farmland that is one of the most pristine in all of Europe. Farm equipment dealer, Deere, along with seed producers Dupont and Monsanto, will have a heyday.

In the guise of ‘aid,’ a claim has been made on Ukraine’s vast agricultural riches. It is the world’s third largest exporter of corn and fifth largest exporter of wheat. Ukraine has deep, rich, black soil that can grow almost anything, and its ability to produce high volumes of GM grain is what made biotech come rushing to take it over.

Looks like Monsanto would really like to test their products in the fertile land of the Ukraine.

I wonder if Ireland had a similar clause when they were bailed out?

Edit - interesting information relating to GMO crops in Ireland. In 2007 (before the bailout) the Government declared Ireland a GMO free country. Yet in 2012 (post bailout) it allowed a crop of genetically modified potatoes to be sown.

www.gmo-free-regions.org...

While it also may be a secondary reason, it`s not the main reason.

It`s more about the West against (Russia)/China.

Was Maidan supposed to pull Ukraine away from ... China?

The Great Silk Road

Ukrainian press is bewildered about the indecisiveness of President Yanukovych in foreign politics. Many months were spent on the preparations for the signing of the Association Agreement with the EU, and suddenly two weeks before he hit the brakes.

Protesters roam the streets looking to provoke clashes with authorities, and Yanukovych left for a visit with China. In Kiev there are clashes with protesters. Yanukovych, on the way back from China, met in Sochi with Russian President, and then flies to Malta... What does it all mean?

It's very simple. It turned out that China can offer Ukraine what Europe can't - investment. And, including in those areas where even Russia would not invest, which is for the most part interested only in the Ukrainian pipeline [not true, actually -tr.].

The fact is that Ukraine unexpectedly found itself a piece of the puzzle of the revived Chinese "Silk Road Belt". For the sake of this project, it will transfer to China a part of the Crimean territory, where an economic development zone will be created, as part of the "Belt". It includes Sevastopol and the area near Evpatoria, where a deep-water port will be built, writes "Nezavisimaya Gazeta". The Chinese also plan to built in Crimea a new airport, shipyards, oil refinery, LNG terminal, education centers, beaches and recreation areas.

Source

Good observation. Whether true or not, the one thing that you can COUNT on being true anymore, is that when we go to war, the actual (sinister) reasons behind the war are NEVER the reasons the masses are told.

The justifications for past wars make zero sense at all once you see the outcomes of said wars. The true intentions become obvious post-war, and the "justifications" told to the masses had ZERO to do with the reason behind the wars.

Helping, or liberating the people in other countries are complete LIES to make the public submit and accept to the wars. Words like "liberating", "freeing", and "the people" are perfect buzzwords that they use everytime. They care NOTHING for liberating, freeing, or the people, and care only that these buzzwords are succesful to achieve ther goals of influence with each Unconstitutional and illegitimate war.

I don't find a link between 'taking over' Ukraine and Monsanto.

There is lots of discussion about new companies moving into countries and 'taking over' after 'installing their government'. The reality in Ukraine is very different.

Ukraine is a country that has been performing extremely poorly economically. The people have been suffering for over a generation now with no end in sight to this suffering. People who say the events of the Maiden revolution were a 'Western takeover' really have no understanding of the depths of this suffering. People from little villages all over the country traveled to Maiden so they could affect change. Change that was desperately needed...so desperately that people gave their lives to make sure it happened. It is insulting to the sacrifices of so many Ukrainians to claim it a Western or US takeover.

Of course when a country kicks out the old government then they want NEW companies to come in and invest in the country. The NEW government changes laws and regulations on purpose because they are desperate for new investment. There is a large debate about Monsanto and GM crops, but it really isn't part of the Ukrainian government. They are simply considering Monsanto as a company willing to invest in the country at a time when they are desperate for that investment. Of course Monsanto is trying to crack the EU market by getting into Ukraine early and big. It's a strategic move for the company.

Don't link the two with a fake conspiracy however. The people of Ukraine paid dearly for their new government. They deserve the right to pick new companies to enter and change the generation of economic suffering imposed by the Soviets and their heirs.

People made similar arguments about the US invasion of Iraq and how the US just wanted the Oil. The fact is that a good portion of Iraqi Oil production and reserves when to a variety of multinationals including China. In fact the three largest buyers of Iraqi Oil were India, Chevron and China.

eiti.org...

So all the 'conspiracy' threads about the US attacking Iraq for it's Oil are now officially BS. The same will happen in Ukraine. There is no Western plan to take Ukrainian resources. Just a very poor population kicking out a corrupt leader and trying to find investors to change the past.

Interesting thought. It wouldn't be the first time a corporation set up a war.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Monsanto just cannot take hearing the NO word , if it was a human it's friends would call it a creep & a weirdo for the way it seems to force itself on people at all cost .

Europe did not want GMO's in the food or drink the Ukraine is not part of Europe or NATO but you would never tell with the way it is getting held to the busom and it is one way to get round the rules .

The Ukraine also has large arms manufacturing plants which served Russia but it is what is under the ground that is also of interest large deposits of oil have been found 1.8 trillion $ i have read

I seriously had no idea. I thought it was all about those poor Ukranians.

Good luck waking people up.

Ukraine is the 6th largest grain producer. Wiki says 12th but Germany and France are EU and China, Pakistan, and India are bold face liars so I put Ukraine at 6th.,That would be a valuable market to crack for GMO if non of it was GMO at this point.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

I'm all for countries and their people bettering themselves and growing...but Monsanto and their ilk won't be allowing that to happen to the average citizen.
When agro-business gets going in the Ukraine, the little farmer loses.

Chemical fertilizers, herbicides and the like will destroy the rich and fertile soil.
The farmers that are left will be beholden to Monsanto.
Monsanto is Putting Normal Seeds Out of Reach

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
People made similar arguments about the US invasion of Iraq and how the US just wanted the Oil. The fact is that a good portion of Iraqi Oil production and reserves when to a variety of multinationals including China. In fact the three largest buyers of Iraqi Oil were India, Chevron and China.

eiti.org...

So all the 'conspiracy' threads about the US attacking Iraq for it's Oil are now officially BS. The same will happen in Ukraine. There is no Western plan to take Ukrainian resources. Just a very poor population kicking out a corrupt leader and trying to find investors to change the past.

You are wrong about the oil......TPTB could care less about Iraq but they have a neighbor in the south we care about deeply. So sadly you are incorrect it was about oil and pipelines.

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: noeltrotsky

I'm all for countries and their people bettering themselves and growing...but Monsanto and their ilk won't be allowing that to happen to the average citizen.
When agro-business gets going in the Ukraine, the little farmer loses.

Chemical fertilizers, herbicides and the like will destroy the rich and fertile soil.
The farmers that are left will be beholden to Monsanto.
Monsanto is Putting Normal Seeds Out of Reach

Canada is a good example. High use of GM crops. Little farmer got blown out. Farming business still functions just fine...just a different scale.

Hey if the EU and it's non-GM argi businesses want to step up and invest in Ukraine to modernize their production then great. As long as somebody helps Ukraine modernize is the key. The EU would rather subsidize it's agri business to the point of budget death instead of importing from other countries however. Russian Oligarchs controlled Ukraine for a generation and they sure haven't helped.

I'm not sure Ukraine can be picky in who they get investment from to turn the country around right now. They are bankrupt and under attack. It really is that desperate there. But let's not link Monsanto to some conspiracy to overthrow the Russian dominated Ukrainian government.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Do you know how most of the farmers in places like the Northern Great Plains (which would be southern Canada) feel about it? I think the area I'm talking about is Saskatchewan, big farming area like the Midwest of the United States. I can imagine the ones who profit probably feel alright but what about the ones who oppose it, if any?

originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
People made similar arguments about the US invasion of Iraq and how the US just wanted the Oil. The fact is that a good portion of Iraqi Oil production and reserves when to a variety of multinationals including China. In fact the three largest buyers of Iraqi Oil were India, Chevron and China.

eiti.org...

So all the 'conspiracy' threads about the US attacking Iraq for it's Oil are now officially BS. The same will happen in Ukraine. There is no Western plan to take Ukrainian resources. Just a very poor population kicking out a corrupt leader and trying to find investors to change the past.

You are wrong about the oil......TPTB could care less about Iraq but they have a neighbor in the south we care about deeply. So sadly you are incorrect it was about oil and pipelines.

So the US attacked Iraq so it can open up the country for India and China to invest billions and pump Oil to their respective countries? "TPTB" wanted that you say...without any logical argument to support your idea.

Anyway, don't bother on the Iraq subject. The thread is about Ukraine and Monsanto. I just tossed an example in about conspiracies not turning out to be real.

This is disgusting news. How many people does Monsanto have in their pocket anyway? I'm thinking there is more to Monsanto's food chemistry than we can comprehend. Something we are overlooking.

You forget that they would not even install the puppet gov ( People the USA approved for them to vote for ) there until they reached an oil deal with the USA a reply to: noeltrotsky

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

GMO crops are widely accepted in Canada...especially by farmers. The yields are high and the investment in seeds turns a better profit. Farming in Canada has rarely been more profitable than it is now. Of course small farmers have all been eliminated and GMO contamination pretty much eliminates non-GMO production.

I think the GMO debate has to be done by consumers. When they decide what they want then producers will make it.

Welcome Ukraine to increased autism rates. Freedom is a bitch.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sorry,long time watcher, first time poster so here go you guys have at me

This was discussed well on ATS at the time, with some good insights and information

Sorry if I've linked the thread wrong