Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP






Putin annexed Crimea, that is the closest thing in current history to Nazi Germany of the 1930's (see Sudatenland, Chechslovakia, etc annexations by Hitler).

What if the US annexed Panama? We like the water there too and can make an argument the canal is of strategic importance both militarily and economically. The US would be called the next Nazis but Putin is getting a pass? It is obvious there is a double standard when it comes to Putin loving sheeple who do nothing but push his agenda. Putin has them in a love frenzy, just like Hitler possessed a hardcore following that lived for nothing else but to promote his agenda.

This thread isnt about Putin or the US or Kiev at all its about those who support Nazi ideology, can you post to the OP?

Its not about annexing any country or part of a country its about the Nazi ideology and agenda and where you stand on it.

Bringing up Putin and talking about a love frenzy has nothing to do with the OP of the thread and kind of comes off like your deflecting from the self proclaimed Nazi emulators, with thier insane slogans of genocide.


Where do you stand its not that hard a question is it?

All of that was obviously answered in my previous post.

Putin is the modern Nazi, proven by his actions.


Which is obviously bad, very bad.

You seriously are calling Putin a Nazi when this thread is about people claiming to be the new Nazis are doing public "Sieg Hails" and calling themselves the Nazis even have kids doing the Nazi salute, have people publicly chanting genocide, have the swastica as a symbol, and claim to want to run all the other races out of thier country.



So your not not going to look at he Nazi elephant in the room your going to deflect to Putin?

It seems you arent on topic and refuse to speak to the OP of the thread.

Its like saying Scooby Doo and Shaggy are the real Nazis when we people are talking about the acts of Hitler.

Discuss the Op, talk about if you support the self proclaimed Nazis if you do, or talk about why you dont support them, but please dont talk about nonsense like Putin is the real Nazi, or Obama is the real Nazi because they arent doing Nazi salutes and going around waving Nazi flags.

But Putin is doing the Nazi annexation of land thing. That is real, not some crackpots waving flags who don't have the power of a nation behind them to even attempt such a Nazi feat.

Ok dude you do realize this thread has nothing to do with Putin, or a land grab, or a war, and thats not answering the OP in the least.
Your saying the people going around saying that they are Nazis arent the Nazis, its Putin who is the real Nazi isnt even answering if you stand with Nazis.
Why are you going to Putin when the thread isnt about him at all, its about self proclaimed Nazis and thier ideology and if your with them or against them. That you keep refering to Putin instead of dealing with the OP is kinda a half hearted way of not answering the question in a honest manner. It sounds like your defending the people calling themselves Nazis by saying Putin is the real Nazi, which makes you sound a like a Nazi sympathizer that wont stand up and represent what he really means and be honest about it.
Its a discussion, you should be able to tell us where you stand on the topic being presented in an intelligent manner.

I did.


Here I will do it again for the real slow.



But let's review the title so you stop your merry go round.

Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?

Modern day Nazi = Putin

Where? In the Ukraine

Do I support? No

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

And yet all we see is about Nazi's fighting for Ukraine, why is there no discussing those fighting for the separatists in where...Ukraine which is the topic of the thread correct.

Exactly

There are neo-Nazis fighting on both sides. I abhor both.

I find it interesting that Moscow supports neo-Nais though. But then again, what is Putin .....

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



The title should have been neutral, if one wants to discuss nazism and not see the thread derailed into for or against.

So don't force ATS members in to that position by asking if EU and America are on the right side of this one with a title about nazi's in Ukraine.

Quite simply because nazism exists everywhere in this world and the latest example being Greece where the golden dawn enjoys enough support to enter politics.

Naturally everyone will be opposed to nazism, but we must also be aware of the fact that taking sides is a form of nazism, obviously both sides will see itself as better than the other.

Maybe we must find a better word than nazism, because it is nationality, ethnicity, organized belief, and race which is behind this narrow minded outlook.

They are branches of the tree of discrimination, to a lesser extend this is also happening within the border of every country, the classes within our societies.

Hold on dude everyone isnt opposed to Nazism because there are many who are with them, chanting genocide with them, waving Nazi flags with them, marching with them, doing Seig Hails with them the list goes on and on, etc.

I picked Ukraine because thats like the focal point of the current world Nazi movement, they arent in the closet over there they are out in the public doing thier, "Sieg Hails!"

This thread is to state where we stand, with Nazism or against Nazism. We then discuss why we are for or against Nazism, and thier racist ideology.

If there are self proclaimed looters in an area we will talk about them where they are, if there are self proclaimed Nazis we will talk about them where they are just the same.

Its not about fairness of rebels vs Keiv, Russia, the EU, or the US its about if you stand with the Nazi idology and self proclaimed Nazis, why you support them or why you dont.

Nazism is the perfect word because that is what it is.

By the way where do you stand on the questions in the OP?

if these guys are nazi then we need to join with who ever is against them and run them back into the ground like the allies did in the 40s. we cannot let them gain control of a country full of nukes that would be worse than letting nk or iran try to make their own. why because for sure naziss would use them.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Putin annexed Crimea, that is the closest thing in current history to Nazi Germany of the 1930's (see Sudatenland, Chechslovakia, etc annexations by Hitler).
What if the US annexed Panama? We like the water there too and can make an argument the canal is of strategic importance both militarily and economically. The US would be called the next Nazis but Putin is getting a pass? It is obvious there is a double standard when it comes to Putin loving sheeple who do nothing but push his agenda. Putin has them in a love frenzy, just like Hitler possessed a hardcore following that lived for nothing else but to promote his agenda.

This thread isnt about Putin or the US or Kiev at all its about those who support Nazi ideology, can you post to the OP?
Its not about annexing any country or part of a country its about the Nazi ideology and agenda and where you stand on it.
Bringing up Putin and talking about a love frenzy has nothing to do with the OP of the thread and kind of comes off like your deflecting from the self proclaimed Nazi emulators, with thier insane slogans of genocide.
Where do you stand its not that hard a question is it?

All of that was obviously answered in my previous post.
Putin is the modern Nazi, proven by his actions.
Which is obviously bad, very bad.

You seriously are calling Putin a Nazi when this thread is about people claiming to be the new Nazis are doing public "Sieg Hails" and calling themselves the Nazis even have kids doing the Nazi salute, have people publicly chanting genocide, have the swastica as a symbol, and claim to want to run all the other races out of thier country.
So your not not going to look at he Nazi elephant in the room your going to deflect to Putin?
It seems you arent on topic and refuse to speak to the OP of the thread.
Its like saying Scooby Doo and Shaggy are the real Nazis when we people are talking about the acts of Hitler.
Discuss the Op, talk about if you support the self proclaimed Nazis if you do, or talk about why you dont support them, but please dont talk about nonsense like Putin is the real Nazi, or Obama is the real Nazi because they arent doing Nazi salutes and going around waving Nazi flags.

But Putin is doing the Nazi annexation of land thing. That is real, not some crackpots waving flags who don't have the power of a nation behind them to even attempt such a Nazi feat.

Ok dude you do realize this thread has nothing to do with Putin, or a land grab, or a war, and thats not answering the OP in the least.

Your saying the people going around saying that they are Nazis arent the Nazis, its Putin who is the real Nazi isnt even answering if you stand with Nazis.

Why are you going to Putin when the thread isnt about him at all, its about self proclaimed Nazis and thier ideology and if your with them or against them. That you keep refering to Putin instead of dealing with the OP is kinda a half hearted way of not answering the question in a honest manner. It sounds like your defending the people calling themselves Nazis by saying Putin is the real Nazi, which makes you sound a like a Nazi sympathizer that wont stand up and represent what he really means and be honest about it.

Its a discussion, you should be able to tell us where you stand on the topic being presented in an intelligent manner.

I did.
Here I will do it again for the real slow.
But let's review the title so you stop your merry go round.

Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?

Modern day Nazi = Putin
Where? In the Ukraine
Do I support? No

Well ya see its not a yes no question, and going back to Putin is a Nazi just tells us your not willing to have a serious discussion about where you stand with the self proclaimed Nazis for some reason or another. It leaves the mind to wonder if your on board with what they stand for because you arent dealing with the reality of the self proclaimed Nazis, your just trying to defend them by calling Putin a Nazi which makes zero sense by the way.

If you do support them you should man up and say why you do, and if you dont you should man up and say why you dont, but going to Putin rather than answering the question in an honest way is a non answer. What it tells us is that you refuse to answer but instead seek to deflect, because your answer perhaps cannot be said on these boards.

So I will take it that you refuse to answer the question about the self proclaimed Nazis, because its the third time you have deflected to Putin as an answer when asked what you have to say about the self proclaimed Nazis questions in the OP.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Putin annexed Crimea, that is the closest thing in current history to Nazi Germany of the 1930's (see Sudatenland, Chechslovakia, etc annexations by Hitler).
What if the US annexed Panama? We like the water there too and can make an argument the canal is of strategic importance both militarily and economically. The US would be called the next Nazis but Putin is getting a pass? It is obvious there is a double standard when it comes to Putin loving sheeple who do nothing but push his agenda. Putin has them in a love frenzy, just like Hitler possessed a hardcore following that lived for nothing else but to promote his agenda.

This thread isnt about Putin or the US or Kiev at all its about those who support Nazi ideology, can you post to the OP?
Its not about annexing any country or part of a country its about the Nazi ideology and agenda and where you stand on it.
Bringing up Putin and talking about a love frenzy has nothing to do with the OP of the thread and kind of comes off like your deflecting from the self proclaimed Nazi emulators, with thier insane slogans of genocide.
Where do you stand its not that hard a question is it?

All of that was obviously answered in my previous post.
Putin is the modern Nazi, proven by his actions.
Which is obviously bad, very bad.

You seriously are calling Putin a Nazi when this thread is about people claiming to be the new Nazis are doing public "Sieg Hails" and calling themselves the Nazis even have kids doing the Nazi salute, have people publicly chanting genocide, have the swastica as a symbol, and claim to want to run all the other races out of thier country.
So your not not going to look at he Nazi elephant in the room your going to deflect to Putin?
It seems you arent on topic and refuse to speak to the OP of the thread.
Its like saying Scooby Doo and Shaggy are the real Nazis when we people are talking about the acts of Hitler.
Discuss the Op, talk about if you support the self proclaimed Nazis if you do, or talk about why you dont support them, but please dont talk about nonsense like Putin is the real Nazi, or Obama is the real Nazi because they arent doing Nazi salutes and going around waving Nazi flags.

But Putin is doing the Nazi annexation of land thing. That is real, not some crackpots waving flags who don't have the power of a nation behind them to even attempt such a Nazi feat.

Ok dude you do realize this thread has nothing to do with Putin, or a land grab, or a war, and thats not answering the OP in the least.

Your saying the people going around saying that they are Nazis arent the Nazis, its Putin who is the real Nazi isnt even answering if you stand with Nazis.

Why are you going to Putin when the thread isnt about him at all, its about self proclaimed Nazis and thier ideology and if your with them or against them. That you keep refering to Putin instead of dealing with the OP is kinda a half hearted way of not answering the question in a honest manner. It sounds like your defending the people calling themselves Nazis by saying Putin is the real Nazi, which makes you sound a like a Nazi sympathizer that wont stand up and represent what he really means and be honest about it.

Its a discussion, you should be able to tell us where you stand on the topic being presented in an intelligent manner.

I did.
Here I will do it again for the real slow.
But let's review the title so you stop your merry go round.

Modern Day Nazis In The Ukraine Do you Support Them? Why Or Why Not?

Modern day Nazi = Putin
Where? In the Ukraine
Do I support? No

Well ya see its not a yes no question, and going back to Putin is a Nazi just tells us your not willing to have a serious discussion about where you stand with the self proclaimed Nazis for some reason or another. It leaves the mind to wonder if your on board with what they stand for because you arent dealing with the reality of the self proclaimed Nazis, your just trying to defend them by calling Putin a Nazi which makes zero sense by the way.

If you do support them you should man up and say why you do, and if you dont you should man up and say why you dont, but going to Putin rather than answering the question in an honest way is a non answer. What it tells us is that you refuse to answer but instead seek to deflect, because your answer perhaps cannot be said on these boards.

So I will take it that you refuse to answer the question about the self proclaimed Nazis, because its the third time you have deflected to Putin as an answer when asked what you have to say about the self proclaimed Nazis questions in the OP.

"Do I support, No."

I was absolutely clear I do not support Nazis.

There is a difference between "self proclaimed Nazis" and those who actually practice Nazism. Egypt and Turkey are in the forefront of the "real" Nazi renaissance, even though they Don't dress up in campy SS chic. Mein Kamf and The Protocols of Zion are on the bestseller lists there. The PLO was.initially funded by Nazi money spirited out of Germany during the war. Why not start a new thread and leave Ukraine out of it. That might bring the real Nazis out of the woodwork. a reply to: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h



And yet all we see is about Nazi's fighting for Ukraine, why is there no discussing those fighting for the separatists in where...Ukraine which is the topic of the thread correct.

Exactly

There are neo-Nazis fighting on both sides. I abhor both.



I find it interesting that Moscow supports neo-Nais though. But then again, what is Putin .....

Please note this thread has zero to do with Putin, Obama, Jesus, the easter bunny, or anyone else that isnt doing public racist Sieg Hail Nazi salutes.

Its about the Nazi ideology and whether your with it or against it, and why? if you abhor self proclaimed Nazis please tell us what you abhor about them, and why. Its not about which side they are on its about the racism they stand for and why you stand with or against it. Nothing to do with sides at all, however the modern day focal point public Nazis that are going around chanting genocide and getting the general public on board with them is the, "Far Right Sector" in Ukraine. Why discuss anything but what is happening with the whole racist Nazi movement thats happening in Ukraine, they have tons of videos like its cool to be a Nazi or its something they are proud of.

Now if Putin or Obama was doing this yes we would be talking about them doing Sieg Hails to the master race too, but they arent, so we are talking about the main dudes who are.

a reply to: DJW001

I am on topic.The topic is about Nazis and if you support them and if you do or don't why? I don't support them because of the hatred and cruelty they display towards others and the video you are trying to brush off as "he wasn't really being bad",is total nonsense. He was and did kill people that day,and to try to justify,defuse,or ignore what is going on in that video is a total disservice to those who lost their lives. No one deserves to be burnt to death. Having been seriously burnt twice in my life,I would wish that on no one.Therefore I can not push aside what I see in the videos as blatant murder by others who thought it would be a fun thing to do.Anyone that tries to promote that needs to rethink a lot of things.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

When are the Ukraine Army gonna shell the entire group Nazis who don't need to be routed out seeing as they're out in the open?

Ask Ukraine that question as they are better suited to answer it.

Prove it anyways...
& prove they weren't Nazi scum in the first place...

Prove what that Ukraine has neo Nazi's...it is already known as there is nothing to prove.

Nope doesn't matter...
Morals do... Justification does...
Don't claim superiority and righteousness while amassing civillian bodies indiscriminately...

And yet you miss the point that if the separatists weren't hiding in civilian apartment buildings using the residents as ahields the civilian casualties would be less.

SO what your saying is it is okay for the separatists to attack government troops while hiding behind the civilians as shields and the Ukranian military shouldn't fight back?

Your buddy (you know who) was quick to say there is no Neo Nazis in Ukrainian Authorites just last night in his thread comparing Russia with the Nazis...

No if you paid attention he said there are no Nazi's running Ukraine, you know the one thing pro Russian crowd here keep trying to imply.

You do understand the reason for comparing him to the Nazis, and that is because Germany did the same thing by annexing other countries territory and using the excuse of unifying German speaking people under one flag...now let's see why did Russia send troops to Crimea and annex it...that's right to protect Russian speaking people.

Your right there is nothing in common between the two...what was I thinking?

Didn't come back one I told him about Azovs Lieutenant Commander being made head of the Police Force by Poroshenko!!!

And yet he has no say in how Ukraine runs, so his appointment means nothing except that someone feels he has deserved his post from his actions fighting in the war. I am not saying this is a good decision, but the main Nazi's discussion about Ukraine is that they run the country when that is far from the truth.

So yes, that is being written by propagandists.

No it is being shown just as he has said they are not in the federal gov't that has any say as to the policies of Ukraine. Hell most countries probably have a neo nazi somewhere in their gov't. and don't even know about it.

How many times do I have to say I do not support Nazis? The video is co.pletely off topic because we do not know the full circumstances. There is reason to believe it was edited for propaganda purposes. Discussing it here is dragging the thread off topic. Why do you support the Fascism as practiced by Russia? a reply to: Dimithae

a reply to: AndyMayhew

There are neo-Nazis fighting on both sides. I abhor both.

As do most. Myself included, but I commend them on their choice to fight for their country rather than against it.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h



And yet all we see is about Nazi's fighting for Ukraine, why is there no discussing those fighting for the separatists in where...Ukraine which is the topic of the thread correct.

Exactly

There are neo-Nazis fighting on both sides. I abhor both.



I find it interesting that Moscow supports neo-Nais though. But then again, what is Putin .....

Please note this thread has zero to do with Putin, Obama, Jesus, the easter bunny, or anyone else that isnt doing public racist Sieg Hail Nazi salutes.

Its about the Nazi ideology and whether your with it or against it, and why? if you abhor self proclaimed Nazis please tell us what you abhor about them, and why. Its not about which side they are on its about the racism they stand for and why you stand with or against it. Nothing to do with sides at all, however the modern day focal point public Nazis that are going around chanting genocide and getting the general public on board with them is the, "Far Right Sector" in Ukraine. Why discuss anything but what is happening with the whole racist Nazi movement thats happening in Ukraine, they have tons of videos like its cool to be a Nazi or its something they are proud of.

Now if Putin or Obama was doing this yes we would be talking about them doing Sieg Hails to the master race too, but they arent, so we are talking about the main dudes who are.

So it's the Dictator annexing land and threatening the free world versus the insignificant rabble rousers allowed to parade around in the streets for Putin to point to and say see, there are the Nazis not me. He must have learned that one in KGB bootcamp.

originally posted by: DJW001
There is a difference between "self proclaimed Nazis" and those who actually practice Nazism. Egypt and Turkey are in the forefront of the "real" Nazi renaissance, even though they Don't dress up in campy SS chic. Mein Kamf and The Protocols of Zion are on the bestseller lists there. The PLO was.initially funded by Nazi money spirited out of Germany during the war. Why not start a new thread and leave Ukraine out of it. That might bring the real Nazis out of the woodwork. a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Because the dudes are doing mass Sieg Hails in Ukraine and need to be discussed, our media is blind to it like it isnt happening. This is happening in the here and now so its a current event, and its centered in the Ukraine. This thread isnt about an old Nazi renaissance its about whats happening now and where do people stand with it or against it, and Nazi is a Nazi is a Nazi. You dress up in Nazi symbolism and call yourself a Nazi in our modern age and then get the public on board people are going to talk about you. Not just a little talking its going to be alot of talking about what on earth is wrong with these people?

If they were just fighting and left the Nazi BS out of it we wouldnt be discussing it, but nooooo they couldnt do that, they are going aroung doing the Sieg Hail to the master race BS that means alot to the rest of the world, I have relatives that fought against that BS we all probably do, and to see it rear up again and not be talked about is a slap in the face of all who once stood against it.

So I made this thread for who stand against them now! And for those who are on thier side to better understand the minds of modern day Nazis. Tsun Tsu art of war know your enemy at home and abroad. I think its worth talking about since our forefathers fought bled and died to stop the guys the new self proclaimed Nazis are idolizing.

It deserves a good discussion, we need to talk about what on earth these people are doing and how we feel about it and them.

If we made another thread, that wasnt centered on the dudes calling themselves Nazis and getting crowds to chant Nazi slogans with them it wouldnt be keeping it real now would it. We are all adults here we can discuss it like gentlemen, and come to our conclusions in an intelligent and civil manner.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: AndyMayhew

There are neo-Nazis fighting on both sides. I abhor both.

As do most. Myself included, but I commend them on their choice to fight for their country rather than against it.

It is developing from "I support them fighting outside forces" to "I support them fighting for their country". What's next?

Also you have yet to post anything on

A) The atrocities the neo Nazis fighting with the separatists have done so I can comment
And
B) A news article showing the right sector directly engaging Russian forces.

No-one is going to say "I love Nazism." Just look for buzzwords like "banksters," "Zionists" Eurabia," "cabal," "Rothschild" "Mossad false flag" and so forth....

Lol, Slavic Nazi? are you kidding.
Nazis of any kind should not be condoned wherever they are
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: AndyMayhew

There are neo-Nazis fighting on both sides. I abhor both.

As do most. Myself included, but I commend them on their choice to fight for their country rather than against it.

So far you the only one to come out and say you support them for fighting for thier country, but thats not what this thread is about, this thread is about thier Nazism, and if you support that. Nothing to do with how well they stand up for themselves, not how well they fight, not how the have courage. This thread is just about them doing that Nazi BS and only that, sure the Nazis of old fought hard, but thats not the topic of the thread.

This thread is about thier rascist Nazi ideology, and where we stand with that, speak to that and youll be on topic.
I know you said you dont condone everything they do, but you didnt talk about the point of the thread which is thier idolization of white supremacy and Nazism.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: AndyMayhew

There are neo-Nazis fighting on both sides. I abhor both.

As do most. Myself included, but I commend them on their choice to fight for their country rather than against it.

So far you the only one to come out and say you support them for fighting for thier country, but thats not what this thread is about, this thread is about thier Nazism, and if you support that. Nothing to do with how well they stand up for themselves, not how well they fight, not how the have courage. This thread is just about them doing that Nazi BS and only that, sure the Nazis of old fought hard, but thats not the topic of the thread.

This thread is about thier rascist Nazi ideology, and where we stand with that, speak to that and youll be on topic.
I know you said you dont condone everything they do, but you didnt talk about the point of the thread which is thier idolization of white supremacy and Nazism.

It's simple.
Evil Nazis appear.
The people are expected to turn to Russia to save them from the Nazis again. Putin rides in as hero.
Where were these Nazis only a few years ago when Putin's puppet was the leader of the Ukraine?

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Lol, Slavic Nazi? are you kidding.

Nazis of any kind should not be condoned wherever they are

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Yeah right people are like dude you shouldnt um uh talk about them being self um uh proclaimed Nazis and doing all the Sieg Hails and genoside stuff they are getting the public on board with. Like hell we shouldnt be talking about this, this is what we should be talking about, what if some self proclaimed Nazis were doing thier master race BS in your home town, I mean what the heck is going on in the world that no one is talking about this? It should be on every channel, this is not ok. How do Jewish people feel about this BS? It must hit home in a really bad way to see it. Maybe thats why its not in the media, they dont want to freak people out. Well maybe people should be a little freaked out by this, thousands chanting genocide and doing Sieg Hails with nuclear ambitions is no small matter. This may be the tipping point of our time on earth, when things go from bad to OH SH## thats really bad!