Is global warming real or all hype?

Everywhere you look climate alarmists are suddenly ringing the bell regarding the Earth's imminent destruction due to carbon dioxide releases in our atmosphere. Maybe I`ve become more jaded with time as i see purposeful misdirection and dis-information fed to the public in order to steer public opinion, but i find it odd the big villains in all of this is the main competition to big oil and gas. Coal plants are being targeted for excessive emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and they're being squeezed out with regulations that are choking the industry.This and a new carbon tax placed on the public at large will generate huge wealth for the govt. in the form of new taxes, while doing nothing to big oil.
Climate temps have risen and fallen for millions of years on this planet, long before man came along. We've had cycles ranging from a frozen planet to lush tropical jungles,with temperature swings of 100 degrees either way. The alarmists talk about sea level changes,they say if man continues on this path in 50 years the sea level may rise 2-4 inches. Before man was ever on the scene all natural occurrences have caused rises and falls in the sea level of 1500 meters!
Before anyone goes on a tirade about mans destruction of the Earths habitat,just stop. I agree 100%. But what are the real causes, carbon dioxide(otherwise known as plant food) of which just 3% is manmade and 97% is naturally occuring, is what the govt. has targeted in their false crusade to save us all. But what`s really destroyed the planet? How about the Gulf spill where the true numbers will never be known but what is known is it was the biggest oil spill in history,destroying ecosystems, killing and mutilating the vast amount of life in the gulf.Or what about Fukushima? The news has censored the true scale of devastation here, but rest assured it`s epic, with reports of killer whale mutations in Puget Sound! Or how about fracking? the new wonder in oil production, where billions of gallons of wastewater are being forcefully pumped into pristine aquifers and under ground sources of fresh water in order to squeeze the oil out.They are destroying our last sources of clean fresh water and causing earthquakes in places that haven`t had earthquakes in recorded history. If these clowns were really out to save the planet they`d have gone after these industries and all of the inventions you've heard of like the water to fuel,23 gallons to drive across the country, alternatives to big oil would not be snuffed over and over.
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And here`s a very sensible geology lesson that puts things in perspective.

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a reply to: fartsmeller46

That's why I laugh at this whole subject. ITS WHAT EARTH DOES. WAKE UP!

The earth is doing what it always has and always will. Earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, ice storms, heat waves, droughts, floods, tornados, cyclones, monsoons...everything is normal even when its extreme. It always has, always will...how do you think it carved up the continents?

Man is here now...that's all. Weather? Always been here. Climate is supposed to change. That's why it called CLIMATE. Because it denotes change and consistency in areas of land and sea in patterns that forever have and will continue...to change.

Climate changes. End of it. No arguments. And no silly "yeah but, but....."

a reply to: fartsmeller46

It was 40.3 degrees Celsius at 5 PM Adelaide CDT Australia , 104 degrees Fahrenheit . I wish global warming would go away so i can cool down .

An important thing about it is that real or not, our government is exploiting it to the detriment of freedom and personal liberty. They are using it to extort money, votes, financial gain, and anything else they can milk it for.

And they are not making any sacrifices themselves, to curb fossil fuels being burned by themselves, nor are they trying to get industries to stop. Somehow the common person is supposed to feel guilty and pay for it all instead.

If global warming is real, it's actually climate change, a natural process the Earth goes through every couple thousand years. Maybe we're speeding it up, maybe we're not, who knows? Either way, we have no control over it so I wouldn't worry too much. What happens will happen, no sense in worrying about it in my opinion.

originally posted by: fartsmeller46
Everywhere you look climate alarmists are suddenly ringing the bell regarding the Earth's imminent destruction due to carbon dioxide releases in our atmosphere. Maybe I`ve become more jaded with time as i see purposeful misdirection and dis-information fed to the public in order to steer public opinion, but i find it odd the big villains in all of this is the main competition to big oil and gas. Coal plants are being targeted for excessive emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and they're being squeezed out with regulations that are choking the industry.This and a new carbon tax placed on the public at large will generate huge wealth for the govt. in the form of new taxes, while doing nothing to big oil.
Climate temps have risen and fallen for millions of years on this planet, long before man came along. We've had cycles ranging from a frozen planet to lush tropical jungles,with temperature swings of 100 degrees either way. The alarmists talk about sea level changes,they say if man continues on this path in 50 years the sea level may rise 2-4 inches. Before man was ever on the scene all natural occurrences have caused rises and falls in the sea level of 1500 meters!
Before anyone goes on a tirade about mans destruction of the Earths habitat,just stop. I agree 100%. But what are the real causes, carbon dioxide(otherwise known as plant food) of which just 3% is manmade and 97% is naturally occuring, is what the govt. has targeted in their false crusade to save us all. But what`s really destroyed the planet? How about the Gulf spill where the true numbers will never be known but what is known is it was the biggest oil spill in history,destroying ecosystems, killing and mutilating the vast amount of life in the gulf.Or what about Fukushima? The news has censored the true scale of devastation here, but rest assured it`s epic, with reports of killer whale mutations in Puget Sound! Or how about fracking? the new wonder in oil production, where billions of gallons of wastewater are being forcefully pumped into pristine aquifers and under ground sources of fresh water in order to squeeze the oil out.They are destroying our last sources of clean fresh water and causing earthquakes in places that haven`t had earthquakes in recorded history. If these clowns were really out to save the planet they`d have gone after these industries and all of the inventions you've heard of like the water to fuel,23 gallons to drive across the country, alternatives to big oil would not be snuffed over and over.
www.youtube.com...

And here`s a very sensible geology lesson that puts things in perspective.

www.youtube.com...=503

Well op, historically speaking....the temps have been much higher and warmer in just humans recorded history.

Co2 has been many times higher with no out of control warming. How do you think all those fossil fuels got in the ground?

Plants extracted it from an atmosphere that was factors higher in co2 and died burying it.

It was a tropical Paradise the world has not seen since, that lasted for hundreds of millions of years.

Saw the largest explosions of life ever on this planet, and pretty much was the best all around habitat in earths history.

I welcome higher co2 concentrations with open arms.

The ocean acidification thing is total bs, the great white shark and salt water croc haven't changed since those times, it won't hurt life.

In fact the historical evidence says life will flourish, there will be no out of control warming, and an explosion of life with readily available plant food thus foodchain fuel is a good thing.

The agw folks are snake oil salesmen.

There is no evidence " out of control warming" can even happen.

There is a lot that says it can't.

Next they try to say look at Venus....which has a atmosphere many factors thicker than ours.

Their surface pressure is like being deep underwater, to the point of squishing a human in moments.

This is not a comparison.
It is a straw man.

It isn't even co2 rich.

It is mostly sulfur dioxide...I believe....to lazy to Google it right now.

This is beer 30 for me.

Just got home from work.

My time is ATS time, 1:39 am here in Texas.

There is a possibility that the early stages of global warming could trigger a new Ice Age. The Earth has a problem with extremes, and may naturally correct them in ways that are not obvious until they are upon us.

Source: NASA research from 10 years ago.

I totally agree with the op, and would like to add mercury run off, depleted uranium, Monsanto's round-up and corexit to the list of man made devastation of our environment. This is why I find it ridiculous and laughable that 'to save the planet' the law changed to charge us for every carrier bag required for bringing home our shopping but absolutely nothing is being done about the real damage.

You would think all the snow that Boston and the North Eastern part of the U.S. is getting, they would have devised a way to melt this snow and send it to areas of the country that need water!! I know they already have huge trucks melting snow, but geesh, send in tanker trucks and haul it to states that need it!

Maybe we need to construct a water pipeline from the northeast to help distribute excess precipitation and at the same time prevent flooding and congestion.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: fartsmeller46

That's why I laugh at this whole subject. ITS WHAT EARTH DOES. WAKE UP!

The earth is doing what it always has and always will. Earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, ice storms, heat waves, droughts, floods, tornados, cyclones, monsoons...everything is normal even when its extreme. It always has, always will...how do you think it carved up the continents?

Man is here now...that's all. Weather? Always been here. Climate is supposed to change. That's why it called CLIMATE. Because it denotes change and consistency in areas of land and sea in patterns that forever have and will continue...to change.

Climate changes. End of it. No arguments. And no silly "yeah but, but....."

Wrong. So wrong. Look here. We've passed 400 PPM, which is a major milestone. You can deny the science all you want, but we've stamped a one-way ticket to our own ruin. Data does not lie, and there is quite enough data to suggest our carbon emissions are seriously f***ing with the earth's atmosphere.

The world’s plants can only pull so much CO2 out of the atmosphere in a given season, while human emissions keep rising. This is leaving an excess of about 2 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere every year, meaning the 400 ppm mark will keep occurring earlier and earlier. In just a year or two, carbon dioxide levels will likely be about 400 ppm year-round.

Source

Where do people even get the nerve to deny the science behind something when all they have to offer are their feelings and their ignorance? Do some research lest you make a fool out of yourself. There's more to extreme weather than just the Earth's natural cycles. All that catastrophic climate doom porn is well on its way to becoming reality in a few decades.

a reply to: fartsmeller46

Everywhere you look climate alarmists are suddenly ringing the bell regarding the Earth's imminent destruction due to carbon dioxide releases in our atmosphere.

Who the hell is saying anything about "Earth's imminent destruction?" Maybe that's got something to do with your disagreement with "alarmists?"

Maybe I`ve become more jaded with time as i see purposeful misdirection and dis-information fed to the public in order to steer public opinion, but i find it odd the big villains in all of this is the main competition to big oil and gas. Coal plants are being targeted for excessive emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and they're being squeezed out with regulations that are choking the industry.This and a new carbon tax placed on the public at large will generate huge wealth for the govt. in the form of new taxes, while doing nothing to big oil.

Why do you assume that oil companies aren't impacted? What about the government mandating an average fuel economy of 54.4 mpg by 2025? If they don't have the same agenda, why have ExxonMobil and the Kochs been dumping vast sums of money into the "denial machine" alongside major coal producers like Peabody Energy? Let's assume for the sake of argument that the federal government is actually a monolithic entity with a single-minded purpose and an agenda that included increasing tax revenue from fossil fuels. Why haven't they done away with percentage depletion allowances?

400 ppm is STILL less than half of one percent of the atmosphere! Less than half of one percent of the atmosphere, so how can so little have so much effect on the rest of the atmosphere? Greenhouse growers in America have special burners that burn Methane, turning it into CO2 to boost plant growth, perhaps the hysterical anti CO2 crowd should march on the greenhouse growers?

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Who said that climate doesn't change and how does the fact that it does change somehow prove that we're not impacting the changes?

a reply to: pikestaff

400 ppm is STILL less than half of one percent of the atmosphere! Less than half of one percent of the atmosphere, so how can so little have so much effect on the rest of the atmosphere?

Breathing hydrogen cyanide at a concentration of 300 ppm would kill a person in minutes according to the NIH toxicity summary. For the record, 400 ppm is far less than half of one percent, it's 0.04%. It always seems to me that the denial crowd is by far the more hysterical group. My question to you is how much change over what period of time would be a cause for concern for you?

a reply to: hutch622

The temperature here on the east coast of NSW has been rather cool for summer and not much rain despite what they try to tell you on the weather channel. It is starting to look like the climate in this part of the world is indeed changing for the worse. It is totally different to when I was a kid. It used to be very hot and humid in summer and storms every afternoon. This does not happen any more as it seems to have gotten cooler not hotter. Time will tell if this is permanent or not but the last 3 years have been very dry. As I have said before on these types of thread, the governments probably know what is going on as they have probably caused the problem either deliberately or by accident and are trying to point fingers the other way.

a reply to: fartsmeller46

Global warming, whether it happens to snow where you are or not, is happening.

Its causes are still in question, and there is absolutely no one who has an even, unbiased angle on the subject, from whom one can get the full skinny on this subject, without one or another sort of propagandism. The entire subject is so utterly full of shills on one side or another, that getting clean science done to conclusively identify causative factors is pretty much impossible at this point.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
If global warming is real, it's actually climate change, a natural process the Earth goes through every couple thousand years. Maybe we're speeding it up, maybe we're not, who knows? Either way, we have no control over it so I wouldn't worry too much. What happens will happen, no sense in worrying about it in my opinion.

You have just contradicted yourself. If we are speeding it up then clearly we can also slow it down. If we are changing the climate then surely we can unchange it ? If the consequences of the change are benign then you might have an argument for doing nothing. However, all analysis has shown that billions of people will be detrimentally affected.

So IF (Nb IF) we are responsible then surely it would be irresponsible of us to not try and reverse the damage we may have caused.

So the question then would be : Are we affecting the climate?

I believe its climate change. When magnetic north moves it drastically changes the weather.

The most recent survey determined that the Pole is moving approximately north-northwest at 55 km per year.

www.ngdc.noaa.gov...

It also seems strange that while briefly searching the internet the latest I found on the magnetic north moving is back in 2007 (When it appeared to be moving faster every year.)

a reply to: theantediluvian

Do some research? Do you suggest I use the numbers NASA was recently caught fudging in order to change the data so it falsely showed increased temps?
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Whatever the requirement for mpg in 2026 is today,history has shown a decided lack of govt will power when it comes to enforcing tĥese requirements. Hell, the very first mass produced vehiĉle rolled ôût over 100 years ago averaging 18 mpg.
I wasn't saying big oil hasn't been affected by regulatiôns put on industry, im saying the negative impact on them is far less proportionately than the damage they've caused.
Lets do away with the personal insults and just discuss the facts,ok?
Althôugh î know none personally, my girlfriend tells me that homosexual men sometimes react pssionatéy while expressing themselves and its probably ñot personal,so just forget it. I wasn't offended.