Glad Ukraine is serious about having peace

Yeah guess this just shows how serious Poroshenko is about having peace in Ukraine. He is using his time to build on those agreements alright.

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We need to get serious and stop trying to back this country. Let it fall,it was anyway before we got involved,and now its falling even faster.

a reply to: Dimithae

1. Are the subtitles legit?

2. When and where was this recorded?

3. Let's wait and see what happens after the Normandy4 agreement comes into effect tomorrow.

4. Keep in mind that both sides of the conflict have autonomous battalions. Give both sides the time to try and get their forces in order at least. Even in the best case scenario - some breaches of the agreement are to be expected.

Last, IF this video is legit...
Why would Poroshenko conduct an offensive before the eyes of the world after the recent talks in Minsk?
He'd lose the support of europeans (French and Germans for sure. Probably Brits too), and give Russia an invitation to take Kiev.

originally posted by: Dimithae
Yeah guess this just shows how serious Poroshenko is about having peace in Ukraine. He is using his time to build on those agreements alright.

youtu.be...

We need to get serious and stop trying to back this country. Let it fall,it was anyway before we got involved,and now its falling even faster.

How on earth the US can back pornoshenko bloke I have no idea, He came to power by ejecting the democratically elected predecessor and then they have the gall to say that Pornoshenko is the good guy in all this. At the same time they refuse to support to democratic principles by refusing to accept the referendum outcome of the Crimea and demonstrate their anti democratic values by claiming the Russia 'annexed: the Crimea.

Just how two faced can the US be? The US has totally shredded their creditability in this conflict not by their words but by their deeds.

The worst of this is that I am supposed regard the US as my countries friend.

But as somebody said, war is when your government decides for you who your friends and enemies are, revolution, is when you figure it out for yourself. I guess that make me a revolutionary.

a reply to: ColCurious

I'm afraid ##Poroshenko## doesn't have to do a thing,here is the face book page of the leader of right sector.He is telling people he WILL NOT honor the Minsk agreement.It does not pertain to them and they didn't sign it. If I were the rebels and someone like right sector is firing on me,yeah I'm firing back folks.

www.facebook.com...

And to show what upstanding people they are in right sector,here is some you tube videos to make your day.

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And this has been going on. If you go to you tube you can find all kinds of videos on right sector and what they have done.

a reply to: Dimithae

I truly hope CIA tells ##Poroshenko## to break cease fire

Or to commit false flag

I hope they try to eradicate eastern Ukraine

So that Russian army can enter and in 7 days reach Kiev

a reply to: learnatic

Poroshenko knows he will only get backing as long as he does what the US wants, just as with anyone else "important" in this World.

How on earth the US can back pornoshenko bloke I have no idea,...

Ukraine President Once Agent for U.S. State Department

a reply to: Dimithae

I'm afraid ##Poroshenko## doesn't have to do a thing,here is the face book page of the leader of right sector.He is telling people he WILL NOT honor the Minsk agreement.

Just as the separatists have said, so time will tell.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Ukraine President Once Agent for U.S. State Department

Ah yes just as he was supposed to be when it was brought up with wikileaks which showed he was the foreign minister that had contact with many other foreign nationals as that is what his job was.

You do understand that the more you try and say it that doesn't make it any truer.

a reply to: Dimithae

Well, the G7 just warned the warring factions to refrain from acts which could endanger the cease-fire and the political process.

Russia, (the former 8th member) unexpectedly drafted a resolution to the UN Security Council aswell, that calls all parties in Ukraine to implement the Minsk agreement, apparently scheduled to be voted on this sunday.

I say let the ARRC put a few divisions together and 86 each and everyone trying to undermine the peace process.
Get Russia onboard and let the OSCE observe the mission.

Done.

*Oh and maybe show us the realtime highres satellite feeds to watch over a beer and a bratwurst
(Not the #ty quality black and white images from decades old technology)

a reply to: PizzaAnyday505

That's madness.

We'd have all-out war on our hands in no time.

Do you even live anywhere near europe?

a reply to: Dimithae

Just like this shows how Putin really wants peace in Ukraine...

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-scores-of-tanks-moved-into-eastern-ukraine-from-russia-last-night-as-leaders-fought-over-ceasef ire-terms-kiev-claims-10041421.html

www.theguardian.com...

Do people really need to be reminded that 'name calling' is immature...and against T&C's?

15g.) Political Baiting: You will not engage in politically-charged rhetoric, politically-inspired name-calling, and related right-versus-left political bickering while Posting in any topical forum or discussion thread on the Websites. You will not alter political candidate names or party affiliations in order to insult or deride the opposition.

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
Do people really need to be reminded that 'name calling' is immature...and against T&C's?

15g.) Political Baiting: You will not engage in politically-charged rhetoric, politically-inspired name-calling, and related right-versus-left political bickering while Posting in any topical forum or discussion thread on the Websites. You will not alter political candidate names or party affiliations in order to insult or deride the opposition.

You are being ironic I hope? Aren't you the bloke who's directly accused a number of other members of being..... affiliated with the Russian government?

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
Do people really need to be reminded that 'name calling' is immature...and against T&C's?

15g.) Political Baiting: You will not engage in politically-charged rhetoric, politically-inspired name-calling, and related right-versus-left political bickering while Posting in any topical forum or discussion thread on the Websites. You will not alter political candidate names or party affiliations in order to insult or deride the opposition.

You are being ironic I hope? Aren't you the bloke who's directly accused a number of other members of being..... affiliated with the Russian government?

Of course he is. It's a reflection of the USA's foreign policy. Accuse the other of doing the very thing that you have been up to.

It's all good.

So what the op is saying is that Kiev has the same problems the rebels have...

Get out of town... Two sides in a civil war having problems stopping the slaughter... No way.

Some rebel units said they won't abide by it before the ink was dry... Peace won't be easy till the two sides in Ukraine broker it.

Not the west and not Russia.. But the people that actually live in the Ukraine.

a reply to: ColCurious

Agreed. Thanks for the input.

a reply to: PizzaAnyday505

I'm afraid that I don't agree with that. Though it would end it quickly,too many innocent lives will be lost in the process.That is why I hate war so much. If the darn war mongers would just get their rears out there and beat and kill each other I would say have fun.But they put other people in harms way and could care less. Such is the evils of war. I can see no reason why children should have to die and their mothers,because of greedy fools who just look at it as 'culling the masses'.