The Ajanta Caves Ancient How Were They Made? Were They Depecting ETs?

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

i think OP doesnt assume that it was done by aliens.
the OP only asks how humans in ancient times could do it.
and based on the carving on the walls that appeared like 'aliens drawing', OP wonders if there was alien visitation.

so my answer:
most likely no aliens visitation.
any historical vision of 'aliens' or the sign of improbable intellectual level could be attributed to our conscious level at ancient times, either because our foods were natural or we consumed 'psyche drinks'
we were prob much more advanced beings in terms of 'spirituality' or artistry.

peace

originally posted by: dodol
a reply to: FormOfTheLord



i think OP doesnt assume that it was done by aliens.

the OP only asks how humans in ancient times could do it.

and based on the carving on the walls that appeared like 'aliens drawing', OP wonders if there was alien visitation.



so my answer:

most likely no aliens visitation.

any historical vision of 'aliens' or the sign of improbable intellectual level could be attributed to our conscious level at ancient times, either because our foods were natural or we consumed 'psyche drinks'

we were prob much more advanced beings in terms of 'spirituality' or artistry.



peace

I dunno dude, I think it was done by humans, but I think they are depicting aliens. I dont know how it was done, and chiseling out the entire mountainside into what we see in these takes mastery on another level than anything I think I have seen in the modern world.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

As soon as Dave Childress popped up, it was obvious the video would be pointing fingers at ancient astronauts. 'Unusually advanced?' Have you heard the phrase, 'a hammer only sees nails?' This is the case with Childress et al in the way they cannot stop seeing ancient astronauts in everything pre-10th Century.

'Interested in celestial bodies' is stating the obvious as it's well-known to many that early civilisations and cultures had a focus on the motions of planets, moon, sun and certain stars. It's never changed either. Right up to this day, people are still interested in them.

Buddhists had between 2 and 3 centuries in two phases to carve out and paint these wonderful examples of human dedication. Their lifestyle included no economy, no raising live-stock, no standing armies and no working week. They had 7 days a week and all the time in the world to set about creating the artwork and carvings.

The early phase paintings are soot-stained from oil lamps and Childress would side-step such details by saying the aliens carved it all first. I didn't hear him mention any laser-straight lines. Maybe that bit came in a later segment? The carvings of Buddha represent, ahem, Buddha and Childress generally pooh-poohs collected histories. This means he can dismiss centuries of Buddhist beliefs and put it all down, once again, to ancient astronauts. So no, Siddhārtha Gautama (buddha) wasn't a mortal man who transcended mortal desires, he was a spaceman and millions of Buddhists ever since were wrong.

What Childress et al have done is the same as populist ufologists have done. Every damn thing they look at is always attributable to ancient astronauts and aliens. Their world-views, or shtick, don't allow for human ingenuity even though they themselves feel they're smarter than everyone else. That's irony right there.

originally posted by: 35Foxtrot
Well, look at Petra, that's sometimes dated back to circa 300BCE. technology wouldn't have been much different if we accept the earliest dates for each site respectively.

Petra is relatively soft stone, sandstone. Easy to carve with even rudimentary tools.

If the Indian caves are sandstone too, it could have easily been accomplished over a period of time spanning generations..if it's granite or dolerite, or some other hard igneous stone, then that's a different story.

a reply to: MysterX
The Ajanta Caves are carved out of a form of basalt, which is just slightly harder than sandstone; 1.6-2.3 on the Mohs scale.

In other words, you could scrape away at it with a key or a pocket knife without much difficulty.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: MysterX
The Ajanta Caves are carved out of a form of basalt, which is just slightly harder than sandstone; 1.6-2.3 on the Mohs scale.

In other words, you could scrape away at it with a key or a pocket knife without much difficulty.

Thanks. I had just looked that up and now I see you already answered...

Doesn't pass the intelligence test.lol. The OP has already made up his mind already it seems without looking at every other ancient civilization doing the same things during the same time period. Shame.

I think the caves are amazing to look at, the amount of work needed to be done is just amazing.

originally posted by: 35Foxtrot

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: MysterX
The Ajanta Caves are carved out of a form of basalt, which is just slightly harder than sandstone; 1.6-2.3 on the Mohs scale.

In other words, you could scrape away at it with a key or a pocket knife without much difficulty.

Thanks. I had just looked that up and now I see you already answered...

That is incorrect. On the Mohs scale sandstone scores 5.0 and basalt scores 8.0. Sandstone is easy to carve. But not volcanic rock like basalt. Your hilarious claim that basalt could be "scraped away with a key or a pocket knife" is scientific nonsense. You and others here who want to believe that the Ajanta Caves could be carved with chisels need to learn a few scientific facts before misleading us with your silly fantasies.

Take it look at how some ancient people in south America "cut" peaces out of the mountainsite in my video's:

www.youtube.com...

In some cases it does look the same. The important thing to remember is that at the Ajanta caves the "evidence" had been tempered with for thousands of years. The cave system has been beautifully recarved by the local inhabitants. I am inclined te beleive that the bulk of the material was removed in ancient times by an unkown culture using an unknown technique, because moving it with simple tools whould be the work of madmen. The scuptures are the result of thousands of years of sculpting by dedicated sculptors, working for months on one peace.

-Casimir

originally posted by: micpsi

originally posted by: 35Foxtrot

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: MysterX
The Ajanta Caves are carved out of a form of basalt, which is just slightly harder than sandstone; 1.6-2.3 on the Mohs scale.

In other words, you could scrape away at it with a key or a pocket knife without much difficulty.

Thanks. I had just looked that up and now I see you already answered...

That is incorrect. On the Mohs scale sandstone scores 5.0 and basalt scores 8.0. Sandstone is easy to carve. But not volcanic rock like basalt. Your hilarious claim that basalt could be "scraped away with a key or a pocket knife" is scientific nonsense. You and others here who want to believe that the Ajanta Caves could be carved with chisels need to learn a few scientific facts before misleading us with your silly fantasies.

Actually, he's correct, but incorrect about the hardness, which is much lower than the number given.

The caves are carved into the basalt of the Deccan traps. This basalt is varied, it's amygdaloidal, and is not nearly as hard as what we think of as "normal" basalt - which is the usual catch-all basalt on hardness charts.

Basalt varies greatly in hardness. Tuff is a form of basalt that you can carve with a fingernail.

Besides, Moh's scale can't tell you anything about how hard a mineral is to carve.

Harte

They are true works of art, it bogels the mind at the amount of work done and the precision they made the caves with.

1. watch youtube vid
2. look for others than ´Now all new Ancient aliens HD History.com´
3. dig deeper with your own research.
4.forget Sitchin with that.
5. forget Erich von Däniken with that.
6. post again.
7. have fun.

cheers

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
How did someone turn this:

Into this:

With time and a desire to create something unique.

Now imagine hundreds of workers doing this over many years, it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

interesting how you compare mason work done with a primitive stone pounder having to do something with a baroque plastic..

*headscratch

originally posted by: anti72
interesting how you compare mason work done with a primitive stone pounder having to do something with a baroque plastic..

*headscratch

"headscratch" is right.

That's marble, not plastic. link

Harte

Also consider, if you believe the aliens were here, why didn't they leave any plastic behind and why only ever build in stone, something wrong with Aluminuim ?

Made you post, did I?

Harte

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Thanks for posting the vid, I had not seen this before

The planning!
To create something like we see here, in modern times, we would use computers!
To have created it all those years ago, just goes to prove (IMO) that the ancients were far more advanced than we are being allowed to believe.
Just imagine drawing up the plans for such a place! The creaters would need to know what they wanted before ever putting a chissel to the rock. Astonishing!

Go into any street anywhere in the world and ask people if they could draw the plans for something even half as intricate as what we see here and I think we can all agree we'd be met with a blank stare!

Somethink is missing from earths history!

originally posted by: VoidHawk
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Thanks for posting the vid, I had not seen this before

The planning!
To create something like we see here, in modern times, we would use computers!
To have created it all those years ago, just goes to prove (IMO) that the ancients were far more advanced than we are being allowed to believe.
Just imagine drawing up the plans for such a place! The creaters would need to know what they wanted before ever putting a chissel to the rock. Astonishing!

Go into any street anywhere in the world and ask people if they could draw the plans for something even half as intricate as what we see here and I think we can all agree we'd be met with a blank stare!

Somethink is missing from earths history!

I know right? I think history may be very different than we have been led to believe in our modern society.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: anti72
interesting how you compare mason work done with a primitive stone pounder having to do something with a baroque plastic..

*headscratch

"headscratch" is right.

That's marble, not plastic. link

Harte

Harte, of course it is marble..with plastic I meant the plastic arts not the material.

*headscratchnontheless