PAPERS PLEASE. Plan on flying within the USA in 2016? NOT without a FEDERAL ID.

What does the Bush administration and herpes have in common?

Both are gifts that just keep on giving!

a reply to: ghostrager

Well I know one thing...I'm sure glad I'm like Jesse, and choose not to fly. I haven't ever really liked flying anyway. You just watch. Air travel will reduce. I wonder if the big airlines are ever gonna sue the gov't.? I think they would be able to win that one, if they can PROVE that it reduced their income. I know the airlines are always worried about being able to keep their travel traffic up. I wonder how long it will be until you need a damned passport to rent a car or buy a Greyhound ticket? Ridiculous.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

That is about voting not about your privilege to fly a plane.
Course minus the racist part.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I am so right. Aviation law is considered a federal concern and is regulated at that level. It is actually in a way responsible to international law.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

If you don't like it, then have it changed.

It is what it is.

Unless a federal ID is ratified by the states, or, the constitution is altered in the prescribed manner, it is a violation of the 4th and the 10th amendments.

Anyone can stand on a soapbox and yell till the cows come home but it does them no good at all.

Searching your luggage is a clear violation of the fourth. It does not matter what it says on your ticket. You cannot ask people to agree to allow a violation of the bill of rights.

The only way to do that is to change the constitution.

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a reply to: pheonix358

Or when you buy a ticket and agree to certain terms.

Don't need to change much when you willfully give up rights.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: zazzafrazz

Travel is national, states have zip to do with FAA rulings

You are so wrong. The Federal Govwernment only has the powers given to them by the States or the constitution.

The States have everything to do with this.

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Isn't travel between States interstate commerce, and therefore specifically a Federal function?

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

No.

It is covered by the bill of rights. The bill of rights covers every US citizen and every lawful visitor to the US, anywhere in the US and its territories, for every moment until hell freezes over.

You cannot sign away your rights nor can you be asked to.

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a reply to: pheonix358

But, I have had to sign away my rights for drug testing for a job. And since just about every job does it, I had no choice.

a reply to: pheonix358

Yes you can...

If you agree to a set of terms and in doing so waive rights, like dealing with a private industry, then it is on you.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: pheonix358

But, I have had to sign away my rights for drug testing for a job. And since just about every job does it, I had no choice.

Does not make it right, does it. Bit by bit, one piece at a time. you allow your rights to be removed. Your whole society is allowing this to happen. Of course you have a choice, you just don't like it.

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a reply to: pheonix358

Of course you have a choice, you just don't like it.

Yup. I don't like flying.
But sometimes I need to and at those times I show my ID as part of the contract I make when I buy my ticket.

I also drive. And when I do, I make sure I have my license. Welcome to reality.

you allow your rights to be removed.

What rights do these things remove?

a reply to: pheonix358

We could get into right and wrong all day but my point was that you can absolutely be asked to and sign away your rights.

It is on you to decide if you should or not.

It is also nothing new by any means.

The Fourth Amendment was put in place to prevent the mass checking of 'We The People'.

If you cannot get your heads around this then you do not deserve the protection of the Bill of Rights.

Go ahead, accept the intrusions of a dictatorial government.

Your Forefathers are turning in their graves.



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a reply to: pheonix358

The Fourth Amendment was put in place to prevent the mass checking of 'We The People'.

Showing you are who you say you are is unreasonable search and seizure? What's being unreasonably searched? Your ID? What's being seized?

Seems to me that the Fourth applies more to your own home and property than an airport.

Well this is disenfranchising.

I think they charge more money for those "Real I.D.s".

a reply to: Phage

Seems to me that the Fourth applies more to your own home and property than an airport.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

What part of "The right of the people to be secure in their persons are you having trouble understanding Phage?

Is there anything I can do to help you understand it.

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a reply to: pheonix358
The part about how agreeing, when you buy a plane ticket, to show your ID constitutes unreasonable search or seizure.

Don't want to show your ID? Don't fly.

a reply to: pheonix358

You are just avoiding the point of agreeing to the search when you buy a ticket.

Yes your principle is correct but it does not apply in this case!

If you don't like it then don't fly and you won't be subject to it.

Oh and great obama picture, might want to check who started all this heightened airport security

originally posted by: StoutBroux
Why aren't the democrats and liberals fighting this? After all, it's discrimination against the poor. Will illegal immigrants also be required to have them in order to fly? If so, will they get them? Will only US citizens be required to carry this new ID? What about visitors from other countries? The passport it is then.

They would have fought it, and did when Bush first talked about it, but now that Obama is pushing all of Bush's past policies with even a stronger vigor, it's somehow a good thing to do.

The Borg all do what the siren song that Obama croaks out from his corrupt ass sings for them to do without any independent thought or consideration, and the MSM parrots it as a daily prayer bell.

A) Noncompliant States/Territories

Am.Samoa
Arizona
Idaho
Louisiana
Maine
Minnesota
New Hampshire
New York

dhs.gov

So most people will already have the required ID (State license), maybe the non-compliant states will become compliant soon.

Also there is an update I think you missed...
ncsl.org

REAL ID Enforcement Update
December 29, 2014

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced that residents who currently use a non-compliant license or identification card issued from a state who is deemed in compliance with REAL ID will now have until October 1, 2020 before their current license or card has to be upgraded to a REAL ID compliant license or card in order to access federal facilities.

So we still have a few years before you have to go from showing your ID or passport to fly to when you will have to show your ID or passport to fly.