Honesty: Does anybody else feel demotivated with life due to the state of society or the world?

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

The problem is, some of us work in positions that actually depend on us noting what is a problem and then working with others of all kinds to form a solution. We also are not supposed to accept reality for what it is but instead move it forward, which is what development fundamentally means. Such as, developing medical systems so millions more can be reached in Africa.

In development, one has to constantly face epically crazy sh%t across the world. You have to for example constantly look at starvation, food security, poverty, you name it, because it's your job to do so.

But then, there are so many counterforces to these efforts across the world. That is what I am discussing. I can't ignore any of it.

I also think that the old saying is true that something cannot be changed until it is recognized there is a problem (which is painful), and for these complex issues, it is very important that an accurate gauge be made of the problem and it's variables.

I think you've found a key here "...working with others to form a solution...". There are many ways of working with others. Look into them.

I once worked on a non-profit building committee where we only talked about things we agreed on (i can't remember the actual process name) any disagreements where written down and tabled. It kept the process going forward and without ill-will (which will kill productive group work) and when we finally broke ground - the vast majority of 'disagreements' were irrelevant and those that were left easily solved to the satisfaction of the committee and the community we respresented. This was in an organization that runs on 'consensus' decision making. The process took three years - but lead the way to other sucessful 'projects' in the same organization whereas prior attempts had bogged down in fighting over minutia.

Our traditional ways of decision making are slowly being replaced and we experience how 'outside forces' and 'tyrannies' can co-opt the process for their own agenda rather then the agenda of their constituencies.

I'd say you are about ready to step out of that "Dark Night of the Soul". But it is your choice.

Honestly, I felt demotivated regarding Western culture's recommendations about how to live life long before the full gravity of our societal and environmental situation was known.

Giving up is a weak, helpless way to look at it, though. If thought of as a test, of sorts, the ideal response would be to do what you know is right in your general environment, despite pressure to conform to destructive processes, and hope others do the same.

I guess the serenity prayer says the same basic thing... but that sounds too "religious" for me. I'd say instead of boo-hooing on your way to the grave, stick it to the bastards that mucked it up in the first place and try to make small differences in the small lives of those around you.

It's a scary world when you're surrounded by people that spend thousands on an education that could be bought in a library for under ten bucks, and probably better. It's hard to muster motivation for me because people don't think, don't want to think or care to think...and I mean real thinking. Sitting at your kitchen table and thinking hard about something others will say is not important, like the system or our excistance. When you realize about 185 cases of Measles, none deaths, will bring about laws of forced vaccination onto a 3 million strong population it gets a little scary.

Honesty: Does anybody else feel demotivated with life due to the state of society or the world?

Ain't no sense about fretting bout things you can not change.

The only thing any of us can do is live our own lives how we think they should be.

That's it.

America is the biblical end times babylon. It will not get any better just worse.
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

a reply to: Baddogma

I've always wondered if there really genuinely is anybody to specifically blame for things being mucked up in the first place. The planet is too massive and complex with so many different countries and political infrastructures for it to be any one person's responsibility. It seems that the whole oil cartel thing could be legitimate, that the geopolitical power of the planet is addicted to oil like it's crack coc aine. But how do hopeless drug addicts change? Intervention in one way or another.

Drug addicts often go into rehab and can get rid of the chemical dependence, but more often than not they go back home to their old foundations and the psychological desire or need to escape comes back again. So the cycle continues on and on, unless they can establish an entirely new foundation - move to a totally different place and make entirely new friends.

In other words, wipe the slate clean and start from a completely new beginning.

Not here. I skim through the news in the mornings and live my life. As long as I have a good job Ill be ok unless something profound happens in the U.S. The weather is what gets me. Its not really fair for me in my area that I live to claim to know what its like in other places, I may feel different if I lived there.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

What? Did you just wake up?

The world is a lie.

Always has been a lie, just look at history.

Your born to die, quit crying and go out and kick some arse.

originally posted by: iDope
a reply to: olaru12

I agree, a collapse must happen...

Let's just figure 2 million (1/180) Americans rise up on the government at the same time. These people have the means to gather mass aount [sic] of weapons and could easily take over cities, take more weapons, infiltrate bases, take over power grids, water, etc. But there must be some type of leadership. Whether it be planned through a TOR type of internet to remain annonymous, [sic] or some new sort, to gather troops and to plan attack. There still must be a leadership to strategize [sic] and to plan if it is to happen nationwide. True, one group of 20 heavily armed and strategized militia could wreak havoc on any city, but to make it nationwide, it takes a lot. Ideally for these 20 or so people, they would take over all broadcasting stations within the area and broadcast their message out 24/7 until it was shut down. This would gather more troops significantly. Then they would aquire [sic] all weapons and vehicles they could to take over the local governent [sic]. Likely executing their state government on air to show their power. It goes on and on from there. Supposedly there are only 500,000 armed troops in in the military. How many of these would actually fight for their government against their own family? Knowing of course how corrupt and evil their own governent [sic] is? The only reason they are in the military is to protect their family and freedom and not the lawmakers and politicians. Whose to say that they would follow orders when they knew that the "underground freedom fighters" were actually the group meant to be defended?

I could go on and on about revolutions...

It is truly amazing what can inspire us. When I read the above quote, I felt very angry. My heart sank momentarily. I thought about the threat of nuclear war, much like I obsessed about in the 80s, but then I thought of all the following:

1. 180 degrees from sick is still sick.

2. Revolutions do not require conventional warfare, even if war works.

3. When you support war, you support the inevitable atrocities of war

4. War is the ultimate failure of human nature.

5. Violence only eventually begets more violence.

6. You cannot fight terrorism with terrorism.

7. You cannot fight corruption with corruption.

8. An eye-for-an-eye ideology makes us all blind.

9. The most important war to be waged is an inner one, within one's soul.

10. The greatest commandment is to love others.

--and I regained my humanity. That's what you need to do: Regain your humanity. Paradoxically, struggle is something that deters you from the task but also keeps you going.

originally posted by: Petros312

originally posted by: iDope
a reply to: olaru12

I agree, a collapse must happen...

Let's just figure 2 million (1/180) Americans rise up on the government at the same time. These people have the means to gather mass aount [sic] of weapons and could easily take over cities, take more weapons, infiltrate bases, take over power grids, water, etc. But there must be some type of leadership. Whether it be planned through a TOR type of internet to remain annonymous, [sic] or some new sort, to gather troops and to plan attack. There still must be a leadership to strategize [sic] and to plan if it is to happen nationwide. True, one group of 20 heavily armed and strategized militia could wreak havoc on any city, but to make it nationwide, it takes a lot. Ideally for these 20 or so people, they would take over all broadcasting stations within the area and broadcast their message out 24/7 until it was shut down. This would gather more troops significantly. Then they would aquire [sic] all weapons and vehicles they could to take over the local governent [sic]. Likely executing their state government on air to show their power. It goes on and on from there. Supposedly there are only 500,000 armed troops in in the military. How many of these would actually fight for their government against their own family? Knowing of course how corrupt and evil their own governent [sic] is? The only reason they are in the military is to protect their family and freedom and not the lawmakers and politicians. Whose to say that they would follow orders when they knew that the "underground freedom fighters" were actually the group meant to be defended?

I could go on and on about revolutions...

It is truly amazing what can inspire us. When I read the above quote, I felt very angry. My heart sank momentarily. I thought about the threat of nuclear war, much like I obsessed about in the 80s, but then I thought of all the following:

1. 180 degrees from sick is still sick.

2. Revolutions do not require conventional warfare, even if war works.

3. When you support war, you support the inevitable atrocities of war

4. War is the ultimate failure of human nature.

5. Violence only eventually begets more violence.

6. You cannot fight terrorism with terrorism.

7. You cannot fight corruption with corruption.

8. An eye-for-an-eye ideology makes us all blind.

9. The most important war to be waged is an inner one, within one's soul.

10. The greatest commandment is to love others.

--and I regained my humanity. That's what you need to do: Regain your humanity. Paradoxically, struggle is something that deters you from the task but also keeps you going.

What a wonderful list.

originally posted by: OOOOOO
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

What? Did you just wake up?

The world is a lie.

Always has been a lie, just look at history.

Your born to die, quit crying and go out and kick some arse.

No, I've known about this stuff since maybe the early 2000's, when I was in my early 20's.

What I am speaking to is how do we keep our motivation given the problems in the world, especially if we work in social impact/government/NGO/even Corporate social responsibility, i.e. any field that ostensibly is about good governance, social/economic/environmental responsibility, etc. That's what the challenge is.

originally posted by: Foderalover
Not here. I skim through the news in the mornings and live my life. As long as I have a good job Ill be ok unless something profound happens in the U.S. The weather is what gets me. Its not really fair for me in my area that I live to claim to know what its like in other places, I may feel different if I lived there.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.

veni.com...

not me I this world is excellent! you just need to stop watching and reading the news!

I try not to worry about the things I have no control over and focus on the things I can change. I have to admit though, there are times when all I can do is sigh and think, "This planet needs a good purging..."

Its not hard to look around right now and think that something big is about to happen. The world cant continue like this indefinitely. At some point we have to expect a very large correction of some kind. It probably wont be pleasant. But it will be necessary. And life will go on. It always does.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

In "The Franklin Cover Up" by Senator John DeCamp (exposing U.S. high officials run a child sex across America), he talks about Bill Colby, the head of the CIA, telling him to some extent- 'to stop investigating, but the fact that he played a small role in exposing evil was a contribution. Just knowing the truth about our world, allows us to live a more nobel existence.' DeCamp describes it more in an Alex Jones Interview, but thats the jist.

Thats how I see it; similar to how I'm glad I don't believe Zeus and Thor control the world, even if it would make me happier, having sought the truth and found it (to some extent) makes it worth it.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Do you even need to ask?

originally posted by: Petros312

originally posted by: iDope
a reply to: olaru12

It is truly amazing what can inspire us. When I read the above quote, I felt very angry. My heart sank momentarily. I thought about the threat of nuclear war, much like I obsessed about in the 80s, but then I thought of all the following:

1. 180 degrees from sick is still sick.

2. Revolutions do not require conventional warfare, even if war works.

3. When you support war, you support the inevitable atrocities of war

4. War is the ultimate failure of human nature.

5. Violence only eventually begets more violence.

6. You cannot fight terrorism with terrorism.

7. You cannot fight corruption with corruption.

8. An eye-for-an-eye ideology makes us all blind.

9. The most important war to be waged is an inner one, within one's soul.

10. The greatest commandment is to love others.

--and I regained my humanity. That's what you need to do: Regain your humanity. Paradoxically, struggle is something that deters you from the task but also keeps you going.

1. 180 degrees from sick is healthy. 180 degrees is opposite from the origin.

2. What revolution required no warfare, or bloodshed? To not put up a fight for your rights and well-being shows weakness in why a revolution is needed.

3. When one does not speak out on war, they passivley accept war and its' atrocities. Tax payers have no say into where their money goes to, and much of it goes to militarization. Thus, anyone who pays taxes supports war. Again passively.

4. War is above human nature. Galaxies are just as much at war with other galaxies, coliding with each other, destroying millions of planets and stars all the time. Gods have also always been at war if you believe in such deities. War does not have to mean militarization, but a fight for ones ground, the same ground to offer stability and a promising future.

5. Violence surrounds us and there is no way to rid it. Survival of the fittest. We must eat, thus others (animals) must die. If someone just walks into your home and sleeps with your wife and starts eating your food, gives your kids massive amounts of money and presents, and tells you to leave your own home, yet is not violent in nature, do you just leave or retalliate. The intruder did not act in violence and neither should you. And now you are homeless without a family.

6. You cannot fight terrorism at all. Anyone could be a terrorist, and this is the problem with the war on terror. Which unfortunatley has got us into a police state and state controlled media nd internet.

7. Corruption is only caused by money and percieved power. I need no money or glorification of myself to defeat those whom are corrupt. All forms of government in todays world are corrupt, many banking institutions are corrupt, many world spanning corporations are corrupt, yet the simpletons that unite the world in the billions are not. Thus, corruption is bred through an institute of sorts.

8. If an eye for an eye made the world blind, there would not be law. I mean, Lady Justice is blind folded, and we are all enslaved by the laws to keep us just as blind.

9. You must never be at war with yourself, you must consistently be discovering yourself. Always coming in peace when meeting your sould. To know one's self is the most important, but to ensure a better life for children is less selfish and offers more promise.

10. Yes, we must love one another. But we must not love those who treat us as sub-humans. We are all mortal and share the same DNA. Thus, those who do not feel empathy for our well being, I shall feel no empathy for those, but remember their faults as only human, as faulty humans whom try to harm others do not deserve to be considered human.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

The Truth is before you, upon you, as it is, upon me.

Dive in whole heartedly, not half.

Fear nothing, for there is truly nothing to fear.

You are given a shield, called Wisdom, a lance, called Truth.

Set your self, upon a path and never look back.

originally posted by: AthlonSavage
not me I this world is excellent! you just need to stop watching and reading the news!

I get the concept but in my op I explained that I work in a field where I have to study/learn/track global affairs issues, including all of the bad stuff. At this time I cannot unplug from that information.

originally posted by: keithknight13
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

In "The Franklin Cover Up" by Senator John DeCamp (exposing U.S. high officials run a child sex across America), he talks about Bill Colby, the head of the CIA, telling him to some extent- 'to stop investigating, but the fact that he played a small role in exposing evil was a contribution. Just knowing the truth about our world, allows us to live a more nobel existence.' DeCamp describes it more in an Alex Jones Interview, but thats the jist.

Thats how I see it; similar to how I'm glad I don't believe Zeus and Thor control the world, even if it would make me happier, having sought the truth and found it (to some extent) makes it worth it.

A good point, that knowledge of what is going on in the world is worthy in and of itself.

I like to believe that eventually, knowing reality and truth about any situation, even if at first that knowledge is painful, is better than having a false perception. Over the long run.

There is some quote that I can't remember exactly: "People will always be able to come around and accept the truth. They cannot accept lies."