Maybe The Inca's Empire was Conquered by Jews

a reply to: xuenchen

Not off topic at all. Interesting information. Seems like these Sephardics were really smart and survived a persecution all over Europe. I find these "convertions" really convenient for both sides.

I wouldn't be surprised if we find out the "convertion" was an option offered as part of a deal in some cases where the government had an special interest. I found references to some of this cases.

In the intellectual field, the jurist and scholar writer of "Sephardic" origin, Antonio de León Pinelo (Lisbon 1590? -Madrid 1660). From their positions rapporteur and chronicler of the Council of the Indies, addressed to gather detailed and extensive information about the New World, becoming the first major bibliographer about America.

This other paragraph is very interesting :

Finally, characters of Arab origin who achieved important positions, hiding his true identity for this were: Emir Cigala who, under the identity of Gregorio Zapata, became captain and carved a fortune in Potosi; Cristobal de Burgos, ruler of Lima and rich encomendero; Francisco Talavera, also Lima councilor and friend of Francisco Pizarro; Lorenzo Farfán of the Goths, first mayor of San Miguel de Piura; and Nicolas de Ribera el Viejo, first mayor of Lima. Refer historian Juan José Vega dying Diego de Almagro (who had been accused of moor on more than one occasion) Hernando Pizarro, his choke, ordered the body to strip to see if had been circumcised. Although the brand was not found, the rumors that her mother had been Moorish were persistent.

It mentions Diego de Almagro acused of been moor (muslim), Almagro was another great conquistador. this is really interesting if you think about it. Pizarro, Almagro and Hernando de Luque (a catholic priest), were partners and conquered together what we call today Latin America.

m.blog.pucp.edu.pe...

A jew, a muslim and a christian together, I know it sounds like that old joke but it's true.

"A Christian, a Jew, and a Muslim walk into a bar. The bartender says, "What is this, a joke?"

I'm kinda lost... I guess I should read the links to better understand what you're putting forth here but at the same time I don't feel like you explained it well in the op. Are you saying the Incas were conquered by an army led by a Jew, Pizzaro? Or are you saying Spain exiled its Jews, which then became the army that conquered the Incas because they had to go somewhere so they banded together into an army and invaded south america, the future haven of so many Nazi war criminals?

Anyway, thanks for sharing. I'll look through your link(s) because it sounds like it could be worth a look.

That's pretty crazy Spain is giving all descendants of Sephardic Jews free citizenship. Could this set a precedent for other expelled groups of people?

a reply to: 3n19m470

What I'm saying is that Pizarro was Jew converted or descendant of jews (Sephardic). At this point of the thread, we also confirmed that "Pizarro" is a Sephardic name. Pizarro's tomb gave the first clues, but additional information that I posted corroborates it.

Not only that, he also was member of the Order of Santiago. This Order was created by the King of Spain to fight the moors (muslims).

There is a lot more, yes you should read all the links.

Yes, I also think giving to the Sephardics the spanish citizenship today could bring complications in the future, I don't believe Spain is looking for redemption.

According to these readings, the law is a call to revive the Spanish economy still in crisis, with a community of reputation in trade and banking.
Also, some analysts say, is a way to appease Israel after Spain support the Palestinians in their quest to join the United Nations.
The Solicitor General said that "in no way" the law has an economic or political purpose.

www.bbc.co.uk...

The Order of Santiago was a Catholic order to protect Catholic pilgrims going to protect Christendom... also an organization that outright banned Jews from ever joining... I'm not quite seeing how a rosette and the sign of the Ordo Santiago screams "This guy is a secret Jew" any more than it indicates he's actually from the Isle of Man and just pretended to be a Spaniard.

originally posted by: obscurepanda
The Order of Santiago was a Catholic order to protect Catholic pilgrims going to protect Christendom... also an organization that outright banned Jews from ever joining... I'm not quite seeing how a rosette and the sign of the Ordo Santiago screams "This guy is a secret Jew" any more than it indicates he's actually from the Isle of Man and just pretended to be a Spaniard.

Well, if you check the list of sephardic names that I provided, you'll find "Pizzarro" is there.



Seems undeniable..., don't you think?

www.parainmigrantes.info...

a reply to: Trueman

Not really, no.

So what if Pizzarro was a Jew. The Spaniards conquered the Incan empire. If he was a Jew he was a very poor Jew at expanding the Jewish religion as when he went conquering he took Catholic missionaries with him to convert the Incans into Catholics and they did a very thorough job doing it as Peru now is a Catholic country, NOT A JEWISH COUNTRY.

a reply to: crayzeed

Some theories suggest a cloaked commercial enterprise expansion.

a reply to: xuenchen
I seriously don't think so as the population of Peru are Catholics and the pittance they pay to the church goes to popeboy in Rome. By the way the pittance the whole population pays adds up to a fortune paid every year to Rome not Israel.

If it is a cloaked agenda it sure is a long, long term plan.

a reply to: crayzeed

Sounds like a genuine conspiracy doesn't it.

a reply to: crayzeed

Or home skillet was really just rebelling agaist his mother the whole time.

originally posted by: obscurepanda
a reply to: Trueman

Not really, no.

Why?....You had the information in front of you and it's clear. Didn't you read it?

a reply to: xuenchen
I've got a better conspiracy. Suppose Pizzarro was a Jew and converted the Incas to Catholics knowing that the pope and the catholic church was an underground Jewish sect. Therefore all the money supposedly going to Rome is actually being redirected to Jerusalem.

a reply to: crayzeed

Or the Spanish Crown had been secretly infiltrated.

Who was in control of Jerusalem in the 1400s?

originally posted by: crayzeed
So what if Pizzarro was a Jew. The Spaniards conquered the Incan empire. If he was a Jew he was a very poor Jew at expanding the Jewish religion as when he went conquering he took Catholic missionaries with him to convert the Incans into Catholics and they did a very thorough job doing it as Peru now is a Catholic country, NOT A JEWISH COUNTRY.

You are confused. That wasn't the topic of the thread. I'm getting tired of the bunch of new members, too lazy to read the whole thread and links. Just reading the title and jump to the keyboard. Read and educate yourself.

Not even one piece o the information that I posted had been debunked.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: xuenchen
I seriously don't think so as the population of Peru are Catholics and the pittance they pay to the church goes to popeboy in Rome. By the way the pittance the whole population pays adds up to a fortune paid every year to Rome not Israel.

If it is a cloaked agenda it sure is a long, long term plan.

Another mistake, there are many descendants of jews in Peru, already converted many generations ago. The fact that they don't practice their originl religion anymore doesn't mean they stopped doing business.

I know Peru, my mother is Peruvian.

a reply to: Trueman

Because a last name doesn't, to be blunt, mean #.

originally posted by: Eunuchorn
People seem to take such great pride in trying to debunk things. Can't you just accept something as an interesting possibility? Does it really affect your grip on reality so much to think the history books could be wrong?

The idea is not to take things out of history books and replace them with stories because they're more interesting. The idea is to find out what actually might have happened and put that in the history books.

Did leprechauns destroy the Incas? Interesting theory, and certainly more fun than the old "they were destroyed because of disease and a lack of fresh water" theories. Let's put that on in, instead!

Six-pointed three-leaf clover! That's proof of your leprechauns right there!

a reply to: Trueman
Listen very closely. It didn't matter if he was a Jew or not he conquered Peru for Spain and the catholic church not for any Jewish agenda. The evidence is there in Peru for you to see today. If he was a Jew and wanted to conquer it for Judaism he would have took rabbis with him not catholic priests.
I do not need an iffy gentleman with an iffy theory to try and prove the extant evidence wrong. If YOU don't want to see the evidence smacking you in the face that's your problem.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Eunuchorn
People seem to take such great pride in trying to debunk things. Can't you just accept something as an interesting possibility? Does it really affect your grip on reality so much to think the history books could be wrong?

The idea is not to take things out of history books and replace them with stories because they're more interesting. The idea is to find out what actually might have happened and put that in the history books.

Did leprechauns destroy the Incas? Interesting theory, and certainly more fun than the old "they were destroyed because of disease and a lack of fresh water" theories. Let's put that on in, instead!

Six-pointed three-leaf clover! That's proof of your leprechauns right there!

Also you need to read the rest of the elements. That symbol was just the initial clue. Take your time.