ISIS defenses in Mosul could be trigger for U.S. ground troop recommendation

a reply to: crazyewok

It's not that I am so naive.

It is that your country appears to be unprepared to deal with a rather small problem.... a small problem as far as wars go.

originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: daaskapital

Yep, right. Leave the rest of the world to deal with the fallout of the #storm that was the American-led invasion, occupation and nation-building of Iraq. 

America caused all the problems....

So you want us to go back and cause more trouble?

Go fix it and take all of the credit for a job well done. Thank you.

Did you even continue reading what i had written? I didn't say that America should go back and cause more trouble. I said that another Western-led war would not help things. Our supportive actions of local troops is what is needed, and such instances already appear to be working.

No, I apologize for not responding to you post in full. I think that my mind was stuck on the track of responding to another post..... it was stupid, knee-jerk on my part.
But, if we wait for ME countries to take the bull by the horns, we may have a Caliphate established. I am OK with Iran taking the fight to ISIS. I wish our government didn't have a problem with it.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: crazyewok

It's not that I am so naive.

It is that your country appears to be unprepared to deal with a rather small problem.... a small problem as far as wars go.

Our army is big enough for defence it just offensive operations it needs to act in a team with.

Plus if you hadnt noticed we got mauled rather badly in the financial crash.

Unlike the rest of the EU we cut alot of things so we don't go down the route of bankruptcy.

"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell."
- William Tecumseh Sherman


“We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them.”
― George Orwell, 1984

I am going to echo Sherman and simply state that I am sick and tired of war.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: crazyewok

It's not that I am so naive.

It is that your country appears to be unprepared to deal with a rather small problem.... a small problem as far as wars go.

Our army is big enough for defence it just offensive operations it needs to act in a team with.

Plus if you hadnt noticed we got mauled rather badly in the financial crash.

Unlike the rest of the EU we cut alot of things so we don't go down the route of bankruptcy.

Yes.
Kudos on getting ahead of financial ruin.
I would rather my country do the same.
We really don't have the means to fight foreign actions either. Thus is one of the reasons that I would rather have other countries stick their necks out.

a reply to: beezzer

So am I.

you should know Im about as Anti war on ATS as it gets.

I was against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and any future wars against Iran.

But ISIS have started to bringing this war onto our streets in the west. They have been active in the EU and its only a matter of time before they hit a US target.

ME affairs can stay in the ME ad I wont interfere, but when they expand it into the west I have a problem.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Thus is one of the reasons that I would rather have other countries stick their necks out.

So would I.

But Israel and Saudi Arabia wont.

and ISIS actions are starting to spill into the EU and eventually will in the US.

US and UK caused the mess.

To be honest A joint US/France/UK operation wont be as bad or as expensive as the last iraq war.

IF done right it wont be about conquest, holding land or nation building like the crusades or bush and blair. It should be about quickly going in, eradicating ISIS and then leaving it for the locals to defend and rebuild.

It is why I think France should lead a western coalition. They seem to have it worked out from Mali.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Mobilization of ground forces from Saudi Arabia and Israel should be considered, nay, demanded.

Israeli sons launching a ground offensive into Syria?

Yay, though they (get someone else to) walk the Valley of Death…

The Sauds? The crown princes are doing their bit… maintaining a steady flow of oil.

a reply to: crazyewok

you should know Im about as Anti war on ATS as it gets.

I was against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and any future wars against Iran.

So you are for violating Syrian and Iraqi Sovereign territory now, though?

Just say it… Boots on Ground!

American military might will always blaze the trail while others 'help'. If some Media Campaign is required, others will play along. If sanctions are imposed, others will tighten the belt. If insurgency is needed, proxies will provide logistics and training. if bombing begins, US forces pave the way while others 'participate'.

When the inevitable ground and pound invasion follows, the proxies, partners and traitors will stand back and let the US spearhead it.

You thought Syria wouldn't come to this? You thought it would be any different this time? I been watching, I see right here the increased call to arms and the heresy of warmongering towards Syria has grown from an ISIS sapling to a full blown clamoring for another full blown war instigated, planned and executed by the US military.

From complicit media blitz, to sanctions, to disarming Syrian WMD, to insurgency, bombs on ground, and now boots.

Empires don't know when to quit. Fail to learn from history and open yet another front.

We have morons on our team.

The whole situation is FUBAR and there is no hope of 'fixing' it. I feel more convinced of that fact after reading this thread.

People are doing mental gymnastics theorizing 'possible' fixes when we all see the same thing and wont admit it.

I even heard send in Israel, talk about mental gymnastics.

At least the propaganda arm of the US government is playing its assigned role.

Washington (CNN)—The U.S. military is trying to gather as much intelligence as it can about ISIS defenses in Mosul to make a key decision about whether it's necessary to recommend American ground troops accompany Iraqi forces on the looming fight to retake Iraq's second largest city.

People think they are wise and see the truth through the smog of illusion, when in truth none of us has a clue as to what really is going on.

originally posted by: intrptr.

You thought Syria wouldn't come to this? You thought it would be any different this time? I been watching, I see right here the increased call to arms and the heresy of warmongering towards Syria has grown from an ISIS sapling to a full blown clamoring for another full blown war instigated, planned and executed by the US military.

From complicit media blitz, to sanctions, to disarming Syrian WMD, to insurgency, bombs on ground, and now boots.

.

I agree with everything you said except who the true puppet masters are. I think it goes higher than the US military,
to the international banking elites.

They will have their war one way or another.

As you pointed out, look how well the propaganda blitz from the complicit MSM has worked here on ATS.

Even people that were always totally against war are jumping on the propaganda bandwagon.

Amazing how perfected their method of mass mind control is.

A storm is coming that is for sure.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: crazyewok

Cause our army are tiny it would be impossible to put that amount in as we have only 100k troops and need them elsewhere. 

And we cant just raise 25k extra troops out of nowhere. 

What's your population?
Sounds like cold feet to me.

Are you that naive?

You cant just raise battalions out of thin air. This aint 1914.

You need months of training, modern and expensive equipment and volunteers.

We certainly wont conscript to sort out a American # up.

You really ARE a crazy Wok.....remember a guy called Tony Blair?
Basra? am I getting warm?
truth to tell GB was instrumental in that invasion.....get real....

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
Ah, there we go, that's more like it. Let's re-ignite a US led ground war.

CNN

ashington (CNN)The U.S. military is trying to gather as much intelligence as it can about ISIS defenses in Mosul to make a key decision about whether it's necessary to recommend American ground troops accompany Iraqi forces on the looming fight to retake Iraq's second largest city.

The first move by Iraqi forces on the ground could come as soon as April, a U.S. Central Command official told CNN.

ISIS is continuing to attempt to reinforce its defenses of Mosul. If those defenses grow to a significant level, then Iraqi forces may need U.S. help in locating military targets to hit, the official said.

If ISIS defenses reach that critical point, the Pentagon and Central Command may then recommend to President Obama that U.S. troops be involved, the official said.

Aren't Americans tired of being the ones who always have to put down the bad guy? Especially considering it's your own government that creates these problems and these groups to begin with?

Are you all actually going to support MORE war in Iraq? More American lives lost in a war that isn't yours?

This manufactured group and conflict have done enough harm to you all I think.

~Tenth

What you don’t understand is that much of the time

THE US IS THE BAD GUY

The US is the bad guy who started this war in the first place


Did you forget that?

a reply to: Willtell

And us boots on the ground would make it worse, how do you ignore that truth?

We have to let other middle east countries carry the load.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

No, no, no. You have it all wrong, Jordan is leading this offensive..... With the support of the US. They are their simply for logistics and support..... cough......



In all seriousness though, holy crap. Jordan is going to town. I watched a video of a run on a giant complex and they pounded it to ash.... They hit some buildings two or three times... It literally looked like a stream of jets going by.

a reply to: EternalSolace

They aren't Jordan will be. The US will be supporting them.

It is amazing how people forget


Iraq under Hussein wasn’t perfect but their problems were manageable.


The US literally caused the death of over a million Iraqis AND THOUSANDS OF YOUNG American troops with their f up invasion by the jack ass George Bush and the human devil Dick Cheney. Not to mention that that invasion is the reason we even HAVE ISIL IN EXISTENCE NOW!


So any idea of America needs to mind its business should have been understood before they invaded in 20003 under false pretenses and outright lies

So please spar us all this bs about

America always does this or that

AMERICA HAS MADE THIS BED AND IT HAS TO LIE IN IT

As in all things...follow the money. Who ultimately profits from war?

America is in the business of war, manufacturing, exporting and profits for those that control our foreign policy.

www.nationalpriorities.org...



We glorify war so the inexperienced youth will take up the sword and follow orders from those that profit in their blood.

a reply to: olaru12

AS per the Jordanian finance minister the US agreed to supply them with arms and armor.