IS tries to anger whole Muslim world by executing 3 Chinese Muslims for fleeing

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs


I have the texts written about muhummad burning a man alive...and slaughtering, and pillaging, and raping.


So do you.


Your prophet was a murderous madman and the seeds he cast are bearing murderous fruit all over the world - and have been for centuries.

It is inherent in islam, as has been demonstrated since it's invention.

Created in violence, spread by violence, perpetuated by violence.

In spite of all your excuses.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I am not saying they are not twisting the ahadith, what I am saying as they are using them as their justification for their actions..

While in the bunker, the Prophet invoked Allah humbly and expressing his neediness before Allah. He then threw a handful of sand at the disbelievers and said, (Humiliated be their faces.) He then commanded his Companions to start fighting with sincerity and they did. Allah made this handful of sand enter the eyes of the idolators, each one of them were struck by some of it and it distracted them making each of them busy. Allah said (And you threw not when you did throw, but Allah threw.)

Therefore, it is Allah Who made the sand reach their eyes and busied them with it, not you (O Muhammad) .

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When you put this with that ahadith.. you find their justification..

a reply to: FlyersFan


oh I agree with you...

I am trying to point out to the readers in the thread that the capital punishment dealt to the 3 volunteers who refused orders, assignments or just as well "Deserted" was not a radical act of horror by ISIS.... even a death cult must have discipline and obedience in following orders

the 3 miscreants deserved punishment for dereliction-of-duty not for joining

a reply to: Seamrog

You gonna share the texts or keep talking about them?

a reply to: OpinionatedB

I know Op I didn't mean to seem like I was disagreeing with you.

I can definitely see how they'd twist it for their plans.

In fact it doesn't surprise me to be honest, they're not the first to do it, probably won't be the last either.

It's not against Islam. The Qur'an calls for the the death of anyone who goes against the qua'ran and it turns out that there are many things that constitute denying the Qur'an.

This is an explanation from a native Arabic speaking man who left Islam. He calls himself an expert on the religion with inside knowledge.

It is very difficult for decent, well-meaning Americans and Europeans – who truly believe the propaganda of Muslims that Islam is only a religion and as such must have redeeming characteristics – to be told by myself and others who know Islam from the inside that the truth is quite different.

Unfortunately, most Americans – as well as most of humanity – have been misled because Muhammadan Islam is not merely a religion but a cult belief system, the cult of Muhammad. Believing Muslims must follow Sharia. It is obligatory for all Muslims, everywhere, for all time. Sharia – based upon Muhammad’s Quran and Sunna (Muhammad’s acts, deeds, thoughts, behavior, etc. as recorded in the hadiths and Sira) – explicitly commands deceit, hatred, misogyny, racism, and warmongering against non-Muslims.

There is no other “religion” that does this and this is why I say that Islam cannot be considered merely a “religion” like any other – and it most certainly cannot be called “moderate”. For this is the command from Allah to all Muslims, as recorded in the Qur’an:

Al Tauba 9:29 “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle [Muhammad] nor acknowledge the religion of truth [ISLAM] (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians & Jews] until they pay the Jizya [onerous Tax for not being a Muslim] with willing submission and feel themselves humiliated”

2. How about “moderate Muslims” ?

There is no such thing as a ‘moderate Muslim’. Every Muslim – especially the males – is fundamentally a JIHADI. That is, one who will fight Unbelievers (currently 80% of humanity including ALL Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, etc.) – any and all those who do not follow Muhammad. Sharia gives the Unbelievers the following three choices:
(A) Convert to Islam (whether we like it or not)

(B) Be subject to Islam as Dhimmis in humiliation and degradation forever

(C) Be Exterminated

In fact, believing Muslims are not allowed to so much as question Islam, again per the Qur’an:

O ye who believe! ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble — Q 5:101

…the command of Allah is a decree determined — Q 33:38 5.

If people, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, took the time to read and study the Qur’an, what would they learn?

I have spent more than 30 years on these subjects and not once did I attempt to change the indoctrinated mind of a follower of Muhammad, knowing full well it would be extremely difficult.

Most important of all, Americans must understand that any Muslim who leaves the faith would be killed by his own ‘loving’ family and or friends. Even in our Western democracies, most of those who leave Islam must do so in secrecy.

“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.” – Bukhari 9.84.57

“When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.” — Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (08.1)

Acts That Entail Leaving Islam

to speak words that imply unbelief…

to revile Allah or His messenger…

to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it…

to deny the obligatory character of something which by the consensus of Muslims…is part of Islam…

Link to full interview

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I`ve always admired that about China, they know how to take care of things at home and keep their nose out of other countries business, if more countries did that the world might be a better place.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Seamrog

You gonna share the texts or keep talking about them?

I did yesterday, and your reply was "well, we're not sure if that is authentic or not..."


It is authentic when you interpret a text of muhummad cautioning against burning a man alive, but a text that tells of him ordering and witnessing a man being burned alive at his order is inauthentic.


I know that's the one you go with and it - I just enjoy pointing it out.

I always try and put the shoe on the other foot in order to gain a broader perspective.

Example:
If a Banker Robs a nation he is rewarded.
If a citizen Robs a Bank is in criminalized.

I'm no promoter of ISIS and find them quite evil.

So in regards to ISIS, what happens in other armed forces where the people commit to joining and then renig on the deal via desertion?

During WWI 28 New Zealand soldiers were sentenced to death for desertion; of these, five were executed.

306 British and Commonwealth soldiers [were] executed for...desertion during World War I," records the Shot at Dawn Memorial. Of these 25 were Canadian, 22 Irishmen and 5 New Zealanders.[23]

Over 20,000 American soldiers were tried and sentenced for desertion during World War Two. 49 were sentenced to death, though 48 of these death sentences were subsequently commuted. Only one US soldier, Private Eddie Slovik, was executed for desertion in World War II.[citation needed]

The 2012 edition of the United States Manual for Courts-Martial states that:
Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.[2]

I find ISIS evil and also find others evil if they wish to put others to death for exercising their human rights to change their mind.

a reply to: Seamrog

Actually I never "we aren't sure"...

I said its heavily debated due to contradictory texts.


I also said this...
"I won't say you're wrong...
But I have my doubts towards its authenticity."


I have my doubts.


I also have my doubts about burning being forbidden...
As I'm more of a Quranist & haven't read all of the Hadith to decide if it contradicts the Quran...
& I refuse to take the word of so called scholars on my Journey...

They're not middlemen between me & Allah... So until I read all the Hadith for myself, I have no reason to just take their word for it.


What I have been saying is that ISIS do follow the Hadith...
So their should be no authenticity claims about the Hadith I'm referring to which claims burning is forbidden.


Does that make more sense now? I'm not a very good scribe!

a reply to: Seamrog

Look at it like this...


The Hadith you're referrencing is less authentic to Sunnis (which ISIS claim to be) than the Hadith I've been referring to...

& according to the founder of 1 of the Four Schools of Thought, Ibn Ishaq was a liar...


So why would "Sunni" ISIS follow his teachings over the Six Major Hadith?



Either way, we are being lied to about ISIS.
They're either not Muslims as they claim...
Or they are not Sunni as we are being drip fed...


I called them Wahhabi as soon as they hit the headlines, that rings true if they are Muslims.