ISIS Expands In Libya: Obama, the foreign policy disaster IS WRONG AGAIN!

originally posted by: American-philosopher
a reply to: sg1642

Right the order of Saddam throwing mustard gas on his own people and torturing people yeah that's order

well the country wasn't in the state it is in now. And the region wasn't quite as unstable as it is now. That wouldn't be any of the CBRN weaponry we gave him would it? And I don't need a lecture about how evil Saddam was because I've personally witnessed American and British soldiers committing war crimes in Iraq. We are no better. How long will it be our fault? When we stop meddling in other countries affairs and making a hash of it maybe? The 2003 invasion and current events are directly related. If you add western arming and funding of these groups it also makes us more implicit in all of this.

a reply to: JiggyPotamus

I agree with you Bush was worst.

But Obama by running for president has to take the responsibility of past presidents mistakes


That’s part of the job

He cant wish away what Bush did

He has to own up

I'm not sure what planet people are living on if they think US, UK or French troops on the ground will end in anything but a repeat of Afghanistan and the previous jaunt in to Iraq. A pointless and drawn out counter insurgency campaign with no real end or chance of solving anything.

IS can only be stopped by a coalition of muslim countries.
if we go there, it will be another guerillia war we can't win. after some time we have to get out again because people have enough and another terrorist group arises again.
let's learn from history.

iraq and syria have to be freed by like-minded people just like germany was freed by other european countries (and the us which is not too different) in ww2. you bet germans back then wouldn't want to be freed by an invasion of muslim africans!
even the russian occupation was very troublesome.

the fact that other muslim countries now do pretty much nothing is a whole other story. in my opinion their lack of intervention is some kind of chatting-up with IS and terror.

You see Bush’ war was an immoral and unjust war…

That’s why it created a greater evil

It’s a reality we can’t forget about because reality won’t let us forget it in the form of Isil


If Obama, either through building a REAL coalition or sending in Huge amounts of troops to end this fast, will be fighting a just war

A big difference…


He can end this evil karma Bush started

originally posted by: anticitizen
IS can only be stopped by a coalition of muslim countries.
if we go there, it will be another guerillia war we can't win. after some time we have to get out again because people have enough and another terrorist group arises again.
let's learn from history.

iraq and syria have to be freed by like-minded people just like germany was freed by other european countries (and the us which is not too different) in ww2. you bet germans back then wouldn't want to be freed by an invasion of muslim africans!
even the russian occupation was very troublesome.

the fact that other muslim countries now do pretty much nothing is a whole other story. in my opinion their lack of intervention is some kind of chatting-up with IS and terror.

exactly what he said.

a reply to: Willtell

I can't believe people still think Obama is incompetent, he and Valerie Jarrett are doing exactly what they were installed for.

All the media shills on cable news and talk shows act like Obama is a dolt when they know perfectly well what he is and what he is doing with the Muslim terrorist and Iran.

quote from Audacity of Hope; I will stand with the Muslim's should the political winds shift in an ugly direction... his father would be proud.

Boggles my mind that people still prefer to assign blame before the problem is fixed.

In short stop putting the cart before the horse... What bush did, didn't do or might have done means squat at the moment.

Do you think the people living in fear every day under those animals care about who caused it?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Willtell

Why is it the US responsibility to get rid of ISIL?
We just got out of that area, can we just stay out of it for once and not sacrifice our men and women and spend more money that we don't have.

Poke the nest of hornets,stir up the rabid ones,then retreat and wash your hands of it.
Is that what you are saying?

Great job-wasn't the idea to leave them all "civilized" and "democratic" ?
What a joke that was.

Not the fault of the USA alone though,many countries have poisoned the already diseaesd pie of the middle east and now we are beyond proxys and control.
Insanity and evil rules now.

We sorted it out though yes?,beat those I rakkys and talibans good and proper right?
Sorted it right out.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Boggles my mind that people still prefer to assign blame before the problem is fixed.

In short stop putting the cart before the horse... What bush did, didn't do or might have done means squat at the moment.

Do you think the people living in fear every day under those animals care about who caused it?

yes mate to be quite honest. There will be large groups cursing our name and asking where we are now. They would be the same people who would be happy to see us for 6 months and then start planting IED's under our vehicles, however but you are right in many respects the damage is done. Now how to sort it?

a reply to: American-philosopher

Isn't mustard gas a weapon of mass destruction?

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

I get the whole 'you break it you buy it' look on this.

But don't see how the resolution to that is to do the same thing that broke it in the first place in hopes of fixing it.

A small piece written up about twenty years ago called Clean break:a new strategy for securing the realm is worth reading up on if people think today's events and the 2003 invasion aren't linked in any way.

a reply to: FalcoFan

it might be classified as a WMD I don;t know but Saddam probably used it all on his own people before the IEA got there to look

a reply to: Willtell

Why would Obama take out ISIS when US think tanks and NATO made them what they are in the first place

No ISIS was not created by Bush at all. the true responsibility for ISIS as it exists today lies squarely on the shoulders of Nouri al-Maliki, and mainly because of how he an his country suddenly got ignored by president Obama. When Bush was in power him and Maliki had a great friendship, Maliki was able to talk to him whenever he needed to, and the republican party was committed to staying the course until stability could happen.

Obama thought he could ignore regional politics and sectarian strife to score brownie points with the public and say we are getting out right now cold turkey. Of course it took three years because of an agreement Bush signed when he had that shoe thrown at him to make sure American troops and advisors would remain the course at least initially. But Obama completely abandoned iraq. essentially telling Maliki he could run the country however the # he chose. not to mention Maliki could never get in touch with a senior member of the cabinet to discuss any matters.

So he did what he was stopped from doing under Bush's tenure, and began persecuting the Sunni's. The idiot even removed well trained and well respected professional Sunni commanders of the armed forces and began to replace them with incompetent party loyalists based solely on ethnic loyalties. He even began to purge the Sons of Iraq. This was the very same group that Patreus paid off essentially during the years of the surge when violence was out of control to help stem the chaos foreign Al-Qaeda fighters were burdening the country with.

In 2005, the Albu Mahals, a tribe that smuggled foreign fighters and materiel across the Syrian - Iraq border, was being forced out of their territory by the Al Salmani tribe allied with Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. The tribe proposed an alliance with the local USMC Battalion under the command of LtCol Dale Alford in November 2005, after being forcibly displaced from their traditional base in Al Qaim, and began receiving weapons and training.[5][18] In September 2006, the leader of the movement, Sheik Abdul Sattar Buzaigh al-Rishawi, formed the Anbar Awakening Council also called "Anbar Awakening" to counter the influence of foreign fighters—al-Qaeda in Iraq.[18]

Despite warnings from some portions of United States intelligence community, Sheik Abdul Sattar Buzaigh al-Rishawi was assassinated along with two bodyguards, by a roadside bomb planted near his home in Ramadi, in September 2007.[19] His brother, Ahmed Abu Risha, took over as leader, but so far has been unable to unite the various awakening militias.[5]

In October 2008, the Iraqi government took over from the American military the responsibility for paying 54,000 members of the Awakening councils.[6] Many of the Awakening fighters put little trust in the Iraqi government to help employ them.[20] "I consider the transfer an act of betrayal by the U.S. Army," said one Awakening member in response to the transfer.[21]

The Sons of Iraq were virtually nonexistent by 2013 due to former Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's unwillingness to integrate them into the security services. Sunnis formerly serving with the group were faced with options including becoming unemployed or joined the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.[4]

Which basically goes into the next point. This was the second time essentially that the US committed to helping the Iraqi people and then simply up and left. That was too much too bear, especially for the Sunnis. there was not going to be a third, and that is what we are left with today. Is it any wonder that Daesh ran over the iraqi army who was now compose of mostly incompetent and cowardly party loyalists when the idiot Al-Maliki fired and started assassinating the people who were actually trained to fight professionally against an enemy threat???

Yes America did invade and topple the iron fisted ruler that was keeping Iraq stable. However if you want to blame somebody for the direct creation of ISIS, you need look no further than President Obama and the idiot Nouri Al-maliki. Current history and the documented facts show that.

Anyone who has time to spend can watch Losing Iraq, a Frontline special with interviews with almost every senior level administrator and General involved in Iraq during the Bush years on netflix. The last half hour goes into exactly how Obama's revised policy towards Iraq lead to Malikis revised policies against his citizens, and thus the creation of ISIS as we know it today.