Paul says Jesus is the Devil in Acts

a reply to: vethumanbeing

"Here is a question for you; why latch onto one faith only, there are 4 other majors out there that carry a truth within them".

My love for Jesus is greater than my love for anything else. When I read and find truth in other faiths I see my Jesus. I don't see different faiths, I see the eyes of my Beloved, Who tells me I need not search, but to love and embrace Him, for all is in that.

originally posted by: backcase
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

VHB: "Here is a question for you; why latch onto one faith only, there are 4 other majors out there that carry a truth within them".

backcase: My love for Jesus is greater than my love for anything else. When I read and find truth in other faiths I see my Jesus. I don't see different faiths, I see the eyes of my Beloved, Who tells me I need not search, but to love and embrace Him, for all is in that.

Yes, they are much the same are they not; even though different in time frames/language/history are repeating identical messages (particularly the Hindu).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I see the face of Jesus shine brightly in the gita. At some point you realize that the search for Him is a game of hide and seek. Then, realizing it was a game, I called the game off, because I felt it was time to get serious. It was about the time when I read St. John of the Cross's 'Dark Night of the Soul'.

a reply to: Akragon

Bro, I think you are trying to mix classic Gnosticism with the mingling of Christianity and Gnosticism, which happened in the 3rd century AD.

The early church fathers wrote and condemned classic Gnosticism.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Akragon

Bro, I think you are trying to mix classic Gnosticism with the mingling of Christianity and Gnosticism, which happened in the 3rd century AD.

The early church fathers wrote and condemned classic Gnosticism.

No actually im not... What is "Gnosticism"?

A belief that there was a particular knowledge that was needed and only passed on to the initiates of the belief system...

Sorry to say brother, there wasn't a religion called Gnosticism until recently...

As I've said, the "gnostics" were just people who didn't have the same kind of exposure as the church did... and did not hold the same beliefs as the orthodox church had...

Valentinus was a Christian who was deemed a Heretic... considered a gnostic because he believed in said "gnosis"

He wasn't part of some religion called Gnosticism... I've noticed this seems to be what most people believe about the gnostic writers of the time but its simply not true

Now there is a religion called Gnosticism based around those old writings... but again that is a very recent religion based on old writing

the early church fathers were not condemning a religion called Gnosticism... they wrote about and condemned Christian heretics who believed in this gnosis

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Akragon

Bro, I think you are trying to mix classic Gnosticism with the mingling of Christianity and Gnosticism, which happened in the 3rd century AD.

The early church fathers wrote and condemned classic Gnosticism.

Exactly. And all the disciples were married. Essenes didn't marry. The white clad gentlemen identified as angels by Jesus' tomb, were most likely Essene healers that had been summoned to treat Jesus after the crucifixion. John the Baptist may have been Essene though, but it appears he had his own thing going.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

St. John was not married, St. Thomas was not married, Simon Zealot was not married, and many many of the disciples were not married.

Your information is rubbish.

a reply to: backcase

Rubbish?

Do we not have the right to eat and drink? Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife, as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas? [ESV] 1 Corinthians 9:5

Paulus says the other apostles are all married. And how can you say a Zealot would automatically be unmarried? Read about the Roman siege of Masada in the years after the sacking of the Temple and the Jewish revolts. Here, most if not all Zealots are married, and they even kept their wives and children inside the stronghold. Also John the apostle? Sure you're not mixing with the baptist?

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Akragon

NOTurTypical: Bro, I think you are trying to mix classic Gnosticism with the mingling of Christianity and Gnosticism, which happened in the 3rd century AD.
The early church fathers wrote and condemned classic Gnosticism.

Utnapisjtim: Exactly. And all the disciples were married. Essenes didn't marry. The white clad gentlemen identified as angels by Jesus' tomb, were most likely Essene healers that had been summoned to treat Jesus after the crucifixion. John the Baptist may have been Essene though, but it appears he had his own thing going.

Of course the Essenes married; the community at Qumran was all inclusive; men, women/wives /husbands and children. They were all equally given the same access to the teachings (and in so participating) attaining the understanding/knowledge of the Gnostic Mystery Schools; (classic Gnosticism began with the Essenes) divine/definition point; The Nag Hammati.

Vegaa reply to: Utnapisjtim

Cephas left his wife to follow Jesus. Simon Zealot was a leper from boyhood until he started following Jesus.

He who is married cares to please his wife and he who is unmarried looks to please God.

That's a scripture quote from my memory, look it up to see it in fullness.

Some of the Apostles HAD wives but they left them to do godly works.

a reply to: backcase

Some of the Apostles HAD wives but they left them to do godly works.

Okay, I call B.S. here. Jesus was against divorce for one thing, and the Holy Spirit says a couple should only keep sex from one another for a very short time for fasting only lest they be tempted of the devil.

The apostles had wives, except Paul.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

Peter began to say to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You." Jesus said, "Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake, but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life.--- Mark 10:29

you said 'The apostles had wives, except Paul.'

I am skeptical that John had a wife, being the apostle who Jesus loved. It is widely known that he was a virgin consecrated to God. Also it is accepted(but less widespread) that Jesus cousin, the biological brother of Judas or St. Jude(not the thief) , was a virgin and had no wife.

And Jesus also says, 'But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."' Matthew 19:11-12

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: backcase

Some of the Apostles HAD wives but they left them to do godly works.

Okay, I call B.S. here. Jesus was against divorce for one thing, and the Holy Spirit says a couple should only keep sex from one another for a very short time for fasting only lest they be tempted of the devil.

The apostles had wives, except Paul.

You have direct knowledge of the holy spirit's teachings? Who is it exactly; other than one of the Trinity, I did not know it could have an opinion. I am serious.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

This is a good dictation on the mystery of the Trinity if you have a few minutes to hear a beautiful charismatic voice dispel the wisdom of God.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: backcase
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

This is a good dictation on the mystery of the Trinity if you have a few minutes to hear a beautiful charismatic voice dispel the wisdom of God.

www.youtube.com...

THIS IS A VERY interesting Bishop; ideas that are western but resonate with eastern thought as well. How is he allowed to put forth these seeming free opinions/ideas within the restrictions/constrictions of his faith (Catholic).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

He has a lot of writings and videos. One of the most intelligent people since the great Thomas Aquinas.

originally posted by: backcase
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

He has a lot of writings and videos. One of the most intelligent people since the great Thomas Aquinas.

I am listening right now to one of his videos; as I said this person is very interesting. Ancient wisdom coming back through the form of a Catholic Bishop (who would have thought). Does it occur to you this person could very well be the reincarnate of Thomas Aquinas? No laughter allowed here, you would be surprised who used to be whom living now among us. I like this guy.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

His ideas are within the Catholic faith, it is a misconception that the teachings are restricting.

He and Thomas Aquinas both teach against reincarnation. The wisdom of God is one but there are many servants.

I am glad you enjoy this great speaker as I do. I find comfort in his voice and sincerity and knowledge in his great wisdom.

A lot of anti Jesus stuff lately.....I mean always on this site but lately there seems to be a bit of an increase.



Only strengthens my faith in him and IMHO lends credence to Revelation.

originally posted by: backcase
a reply to: vethumanbeing

His ideas for with the Catholic faith, it is a misconception that the teachings are restricting.

He and Thomas Aquinas both teach against reincarnation. The wisdom of God is one but there are many servants.

I am glad you enjoy this great speaker as I do. I find comfort in his voice and sincerity and knowledge in his great wisdom.

Here is a clue; and PAY ATTENTION: the statement "He and Thomas Aquinas both teach against reincarnation" is the first reason to demonstrate to BOTH a painful lesson. Both will incarnate as one and the same being. Once you are set on a belief idea, God will 'with objectivity' show to you "YOU DIDNT get that one right" as you ASSUMED some things are not possible (how dare these creations of mine tell me there is no such thing as reincarnation) I can invent any situation for that individual instantly backwards or forward in time to suit whatever time period (and they will not know I have done so). Pooff, Sheen is Aquinas.