Next Level BS: Why is ATS now hell bent on shoving this turd down mine and everyone else's throat?

I swear, people will only be happy with videos hours and hours in length. Going over every possible ounce of evidence for every possible side of the story. And then they will want the extended edition. Heaven forbid there be a video series under fifteen minutes long expressing someones personal opinions (whether they be supported by ATS or not). God be damned if people have to further research a topic from NLBS and come to their own conclusions, and discuss them in the NLBS threads. It's just easier to take the time to rant that they aren't doing enough to spoon feed you every possible view on a subject. Which would be the only way to be completely objective. Big deal that there are NLBS ads up and down the sides of the screen. They are definitely more annoying than all of the other obvious BS ads (e.g. See what this *insert your city name here* resident did to lose weight). Poor me I can't harness enough brain power to remember not to click in those areas of my screen. I am being forced to see NLBS when I choose to come to ATS. It's being shoved down my throat despite the fact I come here of my own accord.

Maybe you haters should start complaining about threads with opposing views as well.. That's essentially what you're doing already.

For the record, I am neither a fan or a hater.

My only complaint is the background color went from black to gray.

Change it back!

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme

No that's not at all my point. It would just be interesting with another personality. Adding a woman would add diversity which in turn makes things more interesting.

And yea it's a show so of course a camera friendly face would help as long as it had an intelligent personality to back it up.

My god, I don't know where you got "naked woman" out of that.

The truth is "Ego"...

There is not a single member that doesn't think they could do it better.

Just ask them. It's the price of dealing with intelligent yet highly egotistical people.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: JessicaRabbitTx

They used to have the conspiracy chicks when I first joined.

Yea, I remember that! From way back when I just lurked.
I just think the male/female energies together would make it more entertaining.

As I said though, I have no problem with the show, it's ads, or it's views, I just don't particularly enjoy watching it.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

The show is being pushed on the practical home of conspiracy theorists on the internet and is successfully making some of its member base, who have been around for years upon years, look like loons in the eyes of the public. This show, which is the first thing that new people are going to see upon coming to this site, discredits probably over half of this very own sites member base.

How someone could NOT see the problem in this is beyond my comprehension.


It isn't about opposing views which seems to be what some people don't understand. At least in topics there is back and forth discussion with those opposing views. These videos have NO OPPOSING VIEW. There is no show sponsored that offers the opposing viewpoint on the discussion and instead the subject matter is presented in a way that says, "We know better than anything you could hope to know so the opposing view is wrong."

a reply to: TheNewRevolution

I think you don't realize that

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: deadeyedick

I think they would have more effect if they would present both sides of the debate and try to remain unbiased.

We'd never do that if one side was wrong.

Well you get my respect for your honesty.

imo you will get much more of what you are looking for if you take the middle road that has been taken in the past.

Other than a sore hand from all the high fives there is not much to gain in rendering judgment in any case.

I see it kinda like putting two dogs in a pen and throwing in a steak. It seems to me that one dog may still be on the leash if he is even in the ring anymore. Yes bad example but fits too well not to use it.

I see the disclaimer at the bottom of every page i open that made this site a great place.

a reply to: TheNewRevolution

You are right, you are not the only person concerned about the presentation of the NLBS video series. However, presentation and whether one likes it or not, is a matter of personal taste, and while you find the format not to be to your personal taste, there will be others who will find the presentation less of a problem, and others still who quite like it.

This however, is from your first post in this thread...

And I watched some more. And I read some of the titles of other episodes and it seems to me that instead of promoting the discussion of conspiracy theories, this show is instead trying to embrace that idea that pretty much every conspiracy theory in existence in complete and utter garbage. Using personal opinions, one sided arguments, and generally adhering to information provided by government run institutions, they are unsuccessfully attempting to debunk every conspiracy theory, one by one.

So what is the deal here? What is going on? I get that some theories out there are bonkers and crazy to some people, but shouldn't it be our choice and our prerogative to get information and learn for ourselves rather than be pushed the agenda of what is seemingly completely anti-conspiracy?

Is this no longer a conspiracy site or am I mistaken? Or is it that the only REAL conspiracies are JFK, Roswell, and 9/11.

*Note to moderators:Now, before someone worried about the large quote there comes to tell me off, this quote is not excessive, because I have made sure to quote enough of the post, that the comments therein cannot be considered to have been quoted out of context, which is necessary to back up what I am about to say*

TheNewRevolution, the segment of your original post in this thread, which I have quoted above, clearly demonstrates that your problem is most certainly not with presentation, but with the conclusions drawn by the shows creators. I think that it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise, and since we have covered the reasons why that is a poor stance to take on the issue of NLBS, bordering on being NLBS itself, I am wondering why you are flogging the dead horse on this topic.

Let's face it, NLBS does not have to be to your liking, to be a worthy endeavour. Would it be impossible for you to admit that you just do not like it very much for your own reasons, rather than trying to change tack and find another subjective angle to attack it from?

a reply to: TheNewRevolution

I'm sorry but you assume so much that is utterly beyond anything close to rational I just couldn't not respond to you...

On second thought, I think I'll leave it there.

sigh...

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

It is a pretty terrible site skin, nonetheless.

We'd never do that if one side was wrong.

This is a pretty presumptuous thing to say. Are you and ATS now traffickers of what is the right and wrong side of a conspiracy theory? Is that the purpose of this site now, to tell people how to think when it comes to these theories?

It's funny, because if these issues had such defined right and wrong answers to them, you would think there wouldn't be any kind of "conspiracy" or "theories" surrounding them at all. They would just be straight up, undeniable facts.

Problem is, there are very few straight up, undeniable facts in this world, especially when it comes to the issues presented. There are theories, there is evidence for said theories, and there is evidence against said theories. Who designated the creators of NLBS to determine which evidence is viable or not and which conspiracy theories are real and not?

Not that you don't have the right to do that and to your opinion, but is ATS about discussion and finding truth, or telling people what the truth is?

a reply to: JessicaRabbitTx

I like it! But you know who you should suggest that to?


JOE OF COURSE! Go and hit one of his threads, or theNLBS inbox with it! He wants to hear our suggestions and our feedback on that sort of thing!

a reply to: TrueBrit


How much have you drank mate?????

I occasionally click on the NLBS site by mistake but just close it and carry on reading.

Fair play to ATS if they make a bit of money off that.

originally posted by: TheNewRevolution Now I've been coming here and trying to avoid this show NLBS but it seems an impossibility to do so at this point.

while i agree the NLBS prescence is impossible to ignore, i don't really consider it a problem. if one of the subjects covered in NLBS takes my fancy i'll check it out. otherwise i'll ignore it and click on the thread(s) in which i am interested. no biggie.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
I swear, people will only be happy with videos hours and hours in length. Going over every possible ounce of evidence for every possible side of the story. And then they will want the extended edition. Heaven forbid there be a video series under fifteen minutes long expressing someones personal opinions

It only took fifteen minutes or less for the British House of Parliament to vote in three parent families today..just their personal opinions?

a reply to: TrueBrit

No, I will gladly admit that the show is not to my liking. I don't like the presentation, the name, or conclusive mindset it has to the issues it presents.

However, the main problem I have with it, as should be clear in my opening post, is that it only works further to shepherd people into whatever idea of "truth" the producers of the show decide to go with. This idea is completely against anything that has been promoted in ATS in the past, a place where open discussion and civility about issues was embraced and encouraged.

Now these videos are targeted towards outsiders of the conspiracy community (as stated by SkepticOverlord himself), and they are presenting the opposite of the ideals of debate and critiquing of the information provided.

It is as if a public forum that was once a beacon of objectivity based upon the discussion of its members is now trying to herd its members and newcomers into a particular brand of thinking that they feel is correct. Whether or not they actually believe this to be true, the unignorable presence of the show will work to do just that and paint ATS with an agenda.

a reply to: Springer

Thank you for your informative response.

Second line.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
TheNewRevolution, the segment of your original post in this thread, which I have quoted above, clearly demonstrates that your problem is most certainly not with presentation, but with the conclusions drawn by the shows creators. I think that it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise, and since we have covered the reasons why that is a poor stance to take on the issue of NLBS, bordering on being NLBS itself, I am wondering why you are flogging the dead horse on this topic.

Let's face it, NLBS does not have to be to your liking, to be a worthy endeavour. Would it be impossible for you to admit that you just do not like it very much for your own reasons, rather than trying to change tack and find another subjective angle to attack it from?

We most certainly have NOT found disagreeing with the show's conclusion a 'poor stance to take'. The fact is that, over the long haul, every person is going to find disagreement with the shows conclusions...after enough shows. The presentation style of the show treats you like an idiot if you don't agree. It's a highly preaching format and the creator even avoids presenting unnecessary balance. I am fully convinced that, after enough shows where people disagree, they will stop watching because the format makes them feel stupid.

NLBS surely does not have to be to my liking to be worthy. Glad you added that attack with the rest of your combative replys.

You find the OP trying to 'change tack and find another subjective angle to attack it from'. Oddly I find that the OP has read comments in his thread, evaluated them and included them as important in his own understanding of the show. Oddly that's the major benefit of a back and forth discussion...something that NLBS explicitly avoids.

originally posted by: TheNewRevolution
The show is being pushed on the practical home of conspiracy theorists on the internet and is successfully making some of its member base, who have been around for years upon years, look like loons in the eyes of the public. This show, which is the first thing that new people are going to see upon coming to this site, discredits probably over half of this very own sites member base.

Not sure how it makes some people look like loons in the eyes of the public. It's not as if the general public is visiting ATS as the go to representation of conspiracy theorists.. And maybe you should clarify exactly what you're after here. You assume the ads discredit "probably over half of this very own sites member base".. Not sure how you got there but ok. Before I ask anything else.. what about that other half? The half that the show presumably represents. Am I now to assume you crusade for only you and those of a like mind?

How someone could NOT see the problem in this is beyond my comprehension.

There is no problem. At least not one as large as you believe. My opinion, ofc.

It isn't about opposing views which seems to be what some people don't understand. At least in topics there is back and forth discussion with those opposing views. These videos have NO OPPOSING VIEW.

Excuse me but NLBS threads are topics. In those threads I often read discussion and opposing views. A great example is Episode 35. In which the debate may still be going on. Furthermore..

Where is YOUR opposing view? How come THIS thread is not representing all sides and opinions in the OP. Where is YOUR objectivity?

There is no show sponsored that offers the opposing viewpoint on the discussion and instead the subject matter is presented in a way that says, "We know better than anything you could hope to know so the opposing view is wrong."

Oh man, that's like.. a large portion of threads at ATS. Like this one for example. Maybe you just don't like the NLBS style, which is fine. No issues there. Maybe you just can't handle the fact ATS itself has and shares opinions. Idc if they come off as know it all or not, are they not entitled to their own opinions? Or are they here merely to cater to you and your perceptions of what a conspiracy oriented site should be?

For the record..

I don't think conspiracy theorists (all lumped together) need any help looking like crazed lunatics. Idiots on YouTube have sealed that fate. Or maybe you are one who does believe every celeb death was an Illuminati assassination.

I don't have to click the link. I was watching NLBS before I signed up here. I also don't feel the need to critique someone else's way of doing things. Make your own if you want it your way. Just think about what that entails. Someone else telling you what you need to do with your site.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

Well said I think the OP believes a certain thing and a video has gone one way destroying his view and he is annoyed ATS has not backed up his personal view.