Images of Adam and Eve discovered in Paradise.

I am a Native Alaskan and a friend of mine from Port Graham Alaska who is an Aleut Shaman told me stories from the past 100 years of human type beings who come in from the Northern Pacific Ocean. They walk in on land and are very feared and revered by the local villagers. There are not just one species either. I grew up in Alaska and I am inclined to believe him. These beings are very Alien in their description. When you put descriptions I have heard to the test one description reminds me of the fish people many of you are describing as a possibility. You can talk to any of the locals and hear vivid, descriptive, and many times extremely frightening stories which will be corroborated by others. If you are respectful and get the chance I encourage you to visit the local villages and expect to be met with skeptical individuals. You will be embraced if you are respectful. Sit outside and listen to the sounds of the night well you are there an don't forget your recording devices is some advice I will give. You won't be disappointed.

a reply to: Anaana

The paper i sourced the images from was this www.academia.edu..., the source you considered though is actually a whole lot better and now i'm going Eeeek!!!

The Westward transmission of Indus valley sealing technology



They're surprisingly consistent in these representations of the twelve dot grid symbol, which the paper i sourced considered represented the Field constellation Pegasus, and which i tend to agree with as it was represented by a grid in Dilmun, and the association of that with the waters of the Abzu and the planting of the tree of Life in that field, in terms of a celestial axis.



Other things to note, were a Mother of the couple is also represented that is in conjunction with a birthing brick, which then passes to the daughter, the Sumerians and Indus valley culture correlated the building of a family to that of a brick built dwelling, and the foundation bricks of important buildings sometimes contained seven Apkallu within the foundation brick.



A good paper then that really demonstrates how in Dilmun there was a great merging of Indus Valley and Mesopotamian tradition through what they held in common, the spiral around the vertical axis is also most interesting above.





a reply to: Spider879

An interesting aspect of these is the correlation of the seed pod and seeds symbolism which is highly reminiscent of the Dogon Fish people tradition, any thoughts on that?



a reply to: galadofwarthethird

With that attitude Pippin there won't even be any message board...


a reply to: polarboarder1

It would be nice to meet some actual Fish people, i hope...

a reply to: Kantzveldt

An interesting aspect of these is the correlation of the seed pod and seeds symbolism which is highly reminiscent of the Dogon Fish people tradition, any thoughts on that?

Well they used a very tiny seed to demonstrate Sirius B which they call Po Tolo





The Dogon star plot of Sirius A and B compared to the modern observation.

Anthropologists first learned of the connection between Sirius and the Dogon in 1931. The Dogon claim that Sirius, or rather an invisible companion star around Sirius, is one of most important things in the sky.

According to the Dogon, Sirius is called sigi tolo, and it has a tiny unseen companion called po tolo, or "deep beginning." This star po tolo is associated with the fonio grain, which is native to Africa, and the Dogon call po. This po grain is the smallest grain the Dogon know of, and was the first of the eight different seeds made by the creator, Amma.

The Dogon say the po grain is just like the star po tolo, tiny, white and very heavy. According to the Dogon creation myth, all things emerged from this star, just as all the other grain emerged from the first po seed grain.

The Dogon say that the star Po is the heaviest of stars, and used to be where our Sun is now. Then Po and the other stars all moved away from the Sun. But even though Po tolo has moved, it is still important. It is the "center of the sky." Po tolo’s influence keeps the other stars in place. The dogon say that Po tolo circles around Sirius once every fifty years.

starryskies.com...

Somewhat related but not exactly is this seemly impossible revelation that the Bozo a people related to the Dogon knew of an ancient meteor crash in Ghana now a lake called Bosumtwi.

Ironsmiths hold a special status in Dogon society. And, until recently, they were required to make an annual pilgrimage to Lake Bosumtwi in Ghana. Lake Bosumtwi is considered a sacred place and the location where the first ironsmith initiate learned ironsmithing from the Nummo. The lake is considered equally sacred by other groups including the Bambara and the Maliniki tribes who, according to the Dogon, originated with them from the same group.

The Dogon knew, in the 1940’s, that Lake Bosumtwi was formed by a meteor impact and they described it in great detail including the direction and angle of entry of the meteor. Modern geologists, however, did not even seriously speculate that the lake was formed by a meteor impact until 1979 largely because it is situated in a dense jungle forest that limited access to the lake. (see omzg.sscc.ru... ). The debate went back and forth for years as to whether or not the lake was formed by an impact until recent evidence positively confirmed its meteor origins dated to 1.07 million years ago.

byroneric.wordpress.com...
Keep in mind non of these folks are native to Ghana especially that area,these are folks from further up north in the savanna country.
score one more for ancient knowledge recently rediscovered and confirmed...alien knowledge or human lost skills .

a reply to: Spider879

I thinks that's the cultural contamination version, Sirius would have been important to them but not in the sense that it was foisted onto their beliefs, have a look at this in terms of what you're also seeing in the Dilmun seals, the oval seed pod, the three seeds, the three upright shoots that develop from them;

The entire work of Digitaria is summarized in a drawing whose various parts are carried out in the following order:

a vertical line issues from the oval - the first shoot to emerge from the sac;

another segment, the second shoot, takes up a crosswise position, and thus supplies the four cardinal points: the stage of the world. The straightness of these two segments symbolizes the continuity of things, their perseverance in one state.

Last, a third shoot, taking the place of the first, gives it the form of an oval which is open in its lower section, and surrounds the base of the vertical segment. The curved form, as opposed to the straight, suggests the transformation and progress of things. The personage thus obtained, called the 'life of the world', is the created being, the agent, the microcosm summarizing the universe

Dogon order of creation

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Good work OP, but I've gotta ask...How does Adam and Eve play a part in this tale?

From what I've read online and from my own library it seems that these tales of 'fish men' could've started near the cradle of life itself...The Dogons called them Nommos, and there are tales of fish men in many of the ancient cultures that spanned the Mediterranean-Triton, Poseidon, etc- perhaps these stories migrated with the folk that told those tales.

Christianity never existed in countries like China or Australia before immigrants introduced it, and the same can be said about Zen buddhism. IMO the link is tenous at best, but yet we are all linked in one way or another.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

The Hebrew myth drew on several Mesopotamian creation myths and merged them into one with their own spin on things, the relevant aspects they took from the Dilmun seals and tradition was the tradition of Paradise, the quadratic garden enclosure, which related to the Dilmun tradition of the Field-grid constellation Pegasas in connection with Enki, the creator of all living creatures, the Tree of Life established within that also sacred to Enki, and a first couple breeding pair.

Differences arise when they conflate that with the myth of the first humans created from clay, which didn't involve gardens and trees in the Mesopotamian tradition, the Tree is a Celestial axis and the point of the couple in association with it is of Cosmological connectivity, through the Fish people, the Sumerians would never have considered Dilmun as a place for origins of humanity as it was unoccupied virgin territory when they colonized it.

It's unfortunate for them they messed up so badly, the suggestion of a first breeding pair of a new type dating back to their point of creation around 6,000 years ago would have been more interesting than insisting that was when the first humans arose.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

With that attitude Pippin there won't even be any message board...

I am no pippin. And yes message boards would have existed regardless. If its not one thing, there is always another, people would be talking about the warts on there bottom foot if it came to it. But hey like I said, even if fish people existed. The fact is none of you will likely meet any, so its sort of just more of an exercise in futility. So exercise away, you all likely need it. Just try not to take it all to serious, we dont need any more cookie religions and cults around. Plenty of those as it is, did you see the guys dressed as fish back then yonder? Imagine how high they had to be to take themselves seriously. As a kite!

a reply to: Kantzveldt

I'm not saying the people were of extra-terrestrial in origin per se, though they appear to have had contact traditions and suggestions of inter-breeding, and any advanced knowledge received was practical in terms of irrigation, clay firing, cultivation, animal management and ordering of society that would facilitate establishing civilization themselves, like the traditions indicate, they simply taught. 

Aha, now we're talking.
I had a look after first reading your reply yesterday for an article about a theory of human evolution that said that basically we evolved not in dense woodland but along the coast where we developed the ability to swim. The reason why we moved away from dense forest living and toward the coast was because predators are far more numerous in forests than coastal areas so it increased our chances of survival. Some of the bones in our neck supposedly support this theory in they more closely resembles swimming mammals than land mammals, I can't tell you what features they exactly refer to as I can no longer find the article, but if its true this would be another possible explanation for the origins of these enlightened fishstar beings as you call them. There might have been some early human tribes who rarely made contact with the oceans in their thousands of years of history making a tribe who for perhaps exclusively travelled and lived along the coasts eating fish etc maybe after thousands of years alien in appearance. We don't know, but there is a strong body of evidence as you have said suggesting there was some kind of class or tribe (I prefer the word tribe) in our early history that travelled extensively through out the world sharing knowledge teachings with other tribes.
I am not a theosophist by the way, I had no idea what that word even meant until you accused me of being one. I had to look it up. I just find the subject very interesting and want to find the truth.

Have you ever seen the bones of a dolphin or many whales flippers?

www.locolobo.org...

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www.readmoby.com...

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And here is the bone structure of a Manatees flipper.

www.learner.org...

This has always fascinated me and keep in mind Whales, Dolphins, and Manatees are not fish they are oxygen breathing Mammals.
It is not such a far stretch of my mind that evolution, breeding, or some other cause could have led to species of humanoids including possibly ourselves.

originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: Kantzveldt

After reading the title I came here getting reading to gripe but this thread is excellent and well put together mate. Great pics as well.

Haha LOL I feel you. But let's get more serious. IMO religion is based on inner universal principles and the most fundamental is that of the man and women, Adam and Eve. So therefore I don't think it matters that much.
If correct a statue of a hindu God was found in Brazil long ago, before any Indian had traveled there. Another fact to support my arguement in hinduism one of the incarnation of one of the Gods said he was going to flood the world and asked one person to build a fleet. Sounds familiar? Resembles the Ark of Noah. That is why I say, religion is based on some universal principle which most like is found inside oneself.

a reply to: Elisa24

I do not at all doubt that they found a hindu statue in Brazil, but I'm more inclined to beleive it was bought there by boat... But who knows? I've heard stories of people carving statues of gods after witnessing them in sacred visions.

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: Chronogoblin
You sure are bitter today! [thread about Springer's files]

The connection is that a primordial couple depicted on a seal with 3 seeds in a pod and animals and such, were found in Paradise [Eden] that is, the Sumerians' idea of Eden, in Bahrain. As the Bible is mostly taken from Mesopotamian mythology and culture, this could be Eden's origins!

You mean Eden's Deathknells don't you ???

a reply to: funkadeliaaaa

There are complications because there was a Fish-people ancestry cult at Lepeinski Vir close in place and time to the Vinca culture, there are aspects of it that became interwoven with the Celestial visitation paradigm.

Even the dead kept watch. They sat upright in their graves, men and women, and faced the river, waiting, it seemed, for the waters to roil again with massive, steel-grey fish. The sturgeon, barbeled giants with rows of bony scutes down their backs, appeared each spring in Serbia’s Danube Gorge, after battling the current all the way from the Black Sea. The largest of these fish weighed more than a dozen men.

Zivaljevic and some of her colleagues think that the people of Lepenski Vir saw the returning sturgeon as ancestors, fish ancestors. They sculpted boulders into rotund figurines that are half human-half sturgeon. One has the eyes and nose of a human being, but the distinctive mouth of a sturgeon: along its upper back, the artists sculpted a row of scutes. There is no clear distinction or boundary between fish and human: they are one and the same

Caviar for the dead

Lepenski Vir

So i've no doubt that tradition influenced the way the encounter with the figures seen in the Vinca figurines was understood in that region, but it needs to be noted the Vinca figurines do not in any way resemble the fish-people pebbles but in terms of periodic returns and an ancestry cult there was likely comparison made.


a reply to: polarboarder1

They're interesting, is it because they were land mammals that returned into the sea?

this symbol is Hellenic, it represents the negatives and the positives. Also the weapons of the 3 main gods, Zeus, Poseidon, Ploutonas, have the same shape.
According to ancient philosopher Evimeros (here is the wiki about him Evime ros) Sumerians are ancient minoans, but neither the less, sumerians formed after the global cataclysmic event, that is being recorded in all ancient civilizations.
In our days, Evimeros is a very hatred philosopher, because of his ideals, but I believe it is also because he studied sumerians, he lived in their homes! And if they didnt downgrade this philosopher in our age, they couldnt promote sumerians as a different race of humans that is " vanished " like a smoke (lol).

Also the names Sumerians used are similar to ours, Anou - Ouranous and if you search our mythology, Oyranous and Dhmitra (Gaia, earth), were the first gods here (after chaos). Oyranous means SKY and its the Oyranians dogons speaks about... (came from the sky)


link about the work of evimeros

You can use google translator to translate.

ps: The only think I disagree from the today books about Evimeros, that sumerians rulled under the command of Zeus, i believe this is wrong, or misstranslation, because indications showing us, it was under the rule of SET-SAT-KRONOS-SABBAOTH-ΣΕΘ (its the same b#43h). They used sacrifices and only one global b#$#tch is knowing as a sacrifice lover... And that is SET-SAT, Kronos...etc

It was punishable by death if you dare to sacrifice living organisms in the name of Zeus, also we have many stories (myths) for people who sacrificed animals in order to provoke Zeus and they died for it.

We also have in our books that SET-SAT Kronos (I give you some of his names known in the global history), created the atlantians from Minoans. So Minoans is very clear that in a point, some of them, followed Kronos. And this abomination pretending to be something like a god, is the one who promoted witchcraft into the world. That is why there is no such a thing as white magik.

Also words like SATAN comes from Kronos or SET or SAT, or SETH, or Sabbaoth... And those who hated Zeus/DIAS in our modern history, about 2000 ago, they created the word " DIABOLO " and that means the life of Zeus (Life of DIAS ), humans today use both words but they reflect in 2 different entities Zeus and Kronos. In the first word they represent true evil as Sabbaoth or Kronos and in the second word they condemn the existence of Dias, both created from 2 different parties.

people dont know these things.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

You're forcing your 21st century post modern mysticism onto a 3000 year old culture.

That's kind of disgusting honestly.

a reply to: Gorman91

1. There's no such thing as Post Modern Mysticism and even if there was i wouldn't like it.

2. All evidence i presented in this thread is considerably older than 3,000 years.

3. I don't appreciate shallow ignorance and rudeness.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

It's not rude. It's factual. You're assuming things about a culture you do not speak the same language of, you are not a contemporary of, nor use any decent sources of. You're pulling an Joseph Smith. Stealing a culture to force your own ideology. It's really rather rude to the dead men you're stealing from to do that. You neither write nor read their language, and yet you feel you can prick some random characters of their writing, force a link to some phonetician letters half a world away, and call that archaeology?

Pathetic.

a reply to: Gorman91
Well I do think the OP is sort of stretching things and really reaching for things.

But the bottom line is. If fish people existed and they came here from worlds away or were aliens or who know what. I do believe we would be getting better pictures then stick figure representations, possibly even photographs, I do believe if you can traverse the cosmos you can also take some sort of photograph even if you are an aquatic creature. But that is all assuming this place is not some zoo or experiment and has some sort of embargo set on it...You know, when you go to Earth. Please dont feed the animals. They must have that sign set on the wall of there spaceships or something.

I mean you can say that those images represent Adam and Eve or that they just represent a Man and a Woman, and Animal. All kinds of old cultures throughout the world have similar depictions. There meaning can take on a whole plethora of things depending on who is looking at it and why.

To me however I just see some stick people drawings. Maybe the people who drew them were trying to say something, but obviously there art skills were lacking. Which is a given. I mean now a days were still pretty much just animals in fancy cities with fancy technology. Back then it was more so. If anything it likely all better represents the domestication of humanity then anything else.

You know cave people to wondering hearsdmen to the first towns and to the first cities and city states. Really you would have to pull quite a trick to get people to come to live in cities back then. The places were literally dumps. If anything this and even things like the Gilgamesh story represents the first attempts at domesticating the human animal, or various tribes in the area. And for that like now a days. You need a hook and line and a sinker. The OP seems to be merely following that old tradition of Babylon and yonder.

The reality of the day was different then the depiction of the reality of the day. Which is true today in this age as well....Its all about who has the coolest Pokemon cards you know. If these fishpeople aliens did exist. They like the gods likely just left everything to fall or rise as it is, they may not even be aware or concerned with it at all, merely another experiment.

But hey, everybody it seems has theories.

a reply to: Ploutonas

Also words like SATAN comes from Kronos or SET or SAT, or SETH, or Sabbaoth... And those who hated Zeus/DIAS in our modern history, about 2000 ago, they created the word " DIABOLO " and that means the life of Zeus (Life of DIAS ), humans today use both words but they reflect in 2 different entities Zeus and Kronos

I think Set/Satan link make a better fit to Egyptian etymologically as Set was the god of chaos and the wild his color red,perhaps the reasoning behind the saying and our image of the " red devil "
The Minoans as Sumerians, while undoubtedly Mesopotamian in some of their origins,it is more likely they were off-shoot from Anatolia Catal Hoyuk than from Sumer further east and south east in the gulf.

a reply to: Gorman91

That's ridiculous, nobody speaks the language of the Indus valley civilization or is a contemporary of them and that's somehow supposed to make anyone who tries to understand them the equivalent of Joseph Smith who interpreted imaginary Golden Tablets whilst talking out of his hat !?!

The thread does reference the most up to date academic papers on the subject, they may not be good enough for you but you don't appear to have any genuine interest or expertise so your opinion counts for nothing all said and done.