Forcing perfectly healthy people to take medical treatments at the point of a gun.

originally posted by: paraphi
Not just the Nazi's .... en.wikipedia.org...

However, it's good to dislike vaccinations when you live in a society where major diseases have been conquered, or are kept at bay by (er) vaccines. I say to people who don't like vaccinations that they should go and do some travelling, perhaps take in some poor counties where preventable diseases are rife. Luckily, chances are you would have been vaccinated, so you can just watch and learn.

In the developed world, the anti-vaccine crowd can hide behind "herd immunity" which probably gives a sense of security.

Best test, is to make sure your kids are not vaccinated then give one tetanus. That'll make you laugh with joy, while you blame everyone but yourself.

Regards

Sanitation and knowledge of germs/disease and how it/they spread/spreads is why we are better off disease wise than in some other places in the world. We all know unfortunately that this is why things like ebola can be a big problem in some places but not so much here.

My child suffered because of vaccinations and I didn't think it was a laughing matter moron.
regards

years ago, i did some research on gulf war syndrome, following a theory that it might have been the result of vaccinations/inoculations the soldiers got before going to the gulf war. along the way, i encountered the research of a doctor who said they were all suffering from mycoplasma fermentans infections. then i found the info on the inoculations they received, one of which was for japanese tick borne encephalitis.

gulf war syndrome was manifesting in several different ways, but always mimicking some kind of neurological problem. many died from various forms of encephalitis, demylenation and other problems related to the degradation of nerves. i still hadn't made the connection till i happened upon a LYMES disease group who had several gulf war syndrome people in attendance - primarily because they shared so many of the same symptoms, such as chronic fatigue, for example. that's when the light bulb went on:

what did the japanese tick borne encephalitis vaccine have to do with LYMES disease? The tick. the tick carries mycoplasmic infections.

yeah.

the anthrax vaccine killed a green beret in just a few days. he went from being in top notch physical condition, to dead in just a few days.

here's an interesting write up

NO MORE FORCED ANTHRAX SHOTS
SAYS FEDERAL JUDGE – “ILLEGAL”
WITHOUT PROVIDING “INFORMED
CONSENT” – CLAIMS FOOD AND DRUG
ADMINISTRATION FAILED TO FOLLOW
OWN GUIDELINES IN APPROVING
CONTROVERSIAL “VACCINE” – BIOPORT
PROFITEER ADMIRAL CROWE BACKED
LOSING PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
RET. LT. COL. RUSS DINGLE PRAISES
MILITARYCORRUPTION.COM FOR
“LEADING ROLE” IN FIGHT AGAINST
“GUINEA-PIGGING” U.S. MILITARY
www.militarycorruption.com...

another soldier's brain literally shrank as a result of the anthrax vaccine, until he could no longer talk or do anything for himself.

i just read an article from 2007, where they were talking about the possibility of forcing american civilians to take that same anthrax vaccine, following the incident with the anthrax laced envelopes.

www.wnd.com...

for the big wigs, it's just a hop skip and a jump from military guinea pigs to civilian guinea pigs. don't think because you're not a soldier, that the vaccines are all safe for you. had they given the anthrax vaccine at that time to american civilians, it would've been genocide/mass murder.

a reply to: undo

SSSSHHHHH

We are not to discuss mycoplamsic infections!

That would give away the dirty little secret that no one is talking about!

Plum Island/ Fort Dietrich I am looking your way!

a reply to: elementalgrove

or ticks, apparently. lol
ah well, that is just a theory i have, based on the dots i connected.

here's the doctor who's been treating them with antibiotic therapy (stuff is apparently pretty resistant and doesn't show up on blood tests unless you know what you're looking for.. since it has no cell wall of its own, it commandeers the cell wall of your cells, thus hiding inside the cell. this would explain why they decided it had too many symptoms to be from one thing - cause degrading nerves can manifest as organ failure (inadequate blood supply to organs will cause them to malfunction and nerves need to be involved in blood flow or you get something like diabetic neuropathy and a plethora of other problems)

www.immed.org...

a reply to: undo

The epidemic that is Lymes disease is tragic and infuriating, I know all to well about the institutional cover up that is going on with the "undiagnosable" chronic lymes disease.

It was in my humble opinion created at Plum Island and than given its name when they tested it on the poor people of Old Lyme Connecticut right across the way, literally the first town near the island. How coincidental.

People are fools to not believe that all of the research into Biological warfare are not being used upon the masses. Also a part of my humble opinion is that it is done through vaccination!

check this quote from his page on gulf war syndrome

Although there is not yet a case definition for Gulf War Illness, the chronic signs and symptoms loosely fit the clinical criteria for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and/or Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Some patients have additionally what appears to be neurotoxicity and brainstem dysfunction that can result in autonomic, cranial and peripheral nerve demyelination, possibly due to complex chemical exposure

the underlined part is the definition of encephalitis of the brainstem, caused when the nerves suffer from demyelination (infection eats the rubber like sheath off the motor nerves causing them to touch each other and short circuit, thus automatic functions stop = coma. i dont know if dr. garth knew about the vaccine or not cause the rest of the quote tries to suggest complex chemical exposure, when they received a vaccine (encephalitis vaccine) for just that sort of thing. things that make you go hmmm.)

now recall one of the vaccines they got was for japanese tick born encephalitis. it's possible they didn't even know about the mycoplasms at the time because the dang things hide

here he is talking about the MMR vaccine and so forth

originally posted by: undo
here he is talking about the MMR vaccine and so forth

It always amazes me when people say "big pharma are pushing the vaccines!!!!!".

The they post a video from a man who runs a business trying to convince people that chronic illnesses are everywhere and only HE has the answer.

Strange.

originally posted by: johnnyBgood

originally posted by: paraphi
Not just the Nazi's .... en.wikipedia.org...

However, it's good to dislike vaccinations when you live in a society where major diseases have been conquered, or are kept at bay by (er) vaccines. I say to people who don't like vaccinations that they should go and do some travelling, perhaps take in some poor counties where preventable diseases are rife. Luckily, chances are you would have been vaccinated, so you can just watch and learn.

In the developed world, the anti-vaccine crowd can hide behind "herd immunity" which probably gives a sense of security.

Best test, is to make sure your kids are not vaccinated then give one tetanus. That'll make you laugh with joy, while you blame everyone but yourself.

Regards

Sanitation and knowledge of germs/disease and how it/they spread/spreads is why we are better off disease wise than in some other places in the world. We all know unfortunately that this is why things like ebola can be a big problem in some places but not so much here.

My child suffered because of vaccinations and I didn't think it was a laughing matter moron.
regards

If that was the case then polio would not have been eradicated from India.
The vast majority of people there live in very unsanitary conditions and it's only been the vaccine that has helped.

a reply to: Pardon?

well pasteur came up with a solution or two. it's not unusual for doctors who specialize in specific areas (like microbiology) to solve problems or find solutions. he's no slouch, btw.

here's his info

Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D.



Professor Garth L. Nicolson is the President and Founder, Chief Scientific Officer and Research Professor at the Institute for Molecular Medicine in Huntington Beach, California. Born in 1943 in Los Angeles, Dr. Nicolson received his B.S. in Chemistry from University of California at Los Angeles in 1965 and his Ph.D. in Biochemistry and Cell Biology from the University of California at San Diego in 1970. He is currently Professor of Integrative Medicine at Capitol University of Integrative Medicine and a Conjoint Professor at the University of Newcastle (Australia). He was formally the David Bruton Jr. Chair in Cancer Research and Professor and Chairman of the Department of Tumor Biology at the University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, and he was Professor of Internal Medicine and Professor of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine at the University of Texas Medical School at Houston. He was also Professor of Comparative Pathology at Texas A & M University. Professor Nicolson has published over 600 medical and scientific papers (including 3 Current Contents Citation Classics), edited 15 books, served on the Editorial Boards of 30 medical and scientific journals. Professor Nicolson has won many awards, such as the Burroughs Wellcome Medal of the Royal Society of Medicine (United Kingdom), Stephen Paget Award of the Metastasis Research Society, the U. S. National Cancer Institute Outstanding Investigator Award, and the Innovative Medicine Award of Canada. He is also a Colonel (Honorary) of the U. S. Army Special Forces and a U. S. Navy SEAL (Honorary) for his work on Armed Forces and veterans illnesses. He is also engaged in research on the role of chronic infections in a variety of chronic illnesses, such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia Syndrome, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Gulf War Illness and various autoimmune diseases.

If it's any consolation I firmly believe that vaccines should never have to be forced upon anyone.

The problem is that there are people who are scared of what they don't know and certainly with the advent of the internet there are an awful lot of people taking advantage of that.

Couple that with the fact that people like to think they know what's best for themselves when they don't, even taking into account the "research" they've done themselves [sarcasm], makes for a very difficult situation.

More education is key for people to understand the risk/benefits of vaccines but people have to be prepared to listen properly.
Unfortunately, as is very evident in this thread, some people just won't do that.

a reply to: Pardon?

if you watched the video, he explains that many of the vaccines that are tested for contaminates, are contaminated with mycoplasms. on its face, that's not the end of the world, since we humans even have mycoplasms in our gut, rather the issue is, what kind of mycoplasm is contaminating the vaccine. not everyone is going to get a contaminated vaccine and not everyone who does get a contaminated vaccine, is going to get a dangerous mycoplasm contaminate vs. a less dangerous or non-dangerous mycoplasm. it's like russian roulette, in a way.

he explains that the issue is that it would cut into the cost effectiveness of the vaccine, to test every batch for mycoplasm contamination.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Pardon?

well pasteur came up with a solution or two. it's not unusual for doctors who specialize in specific areas (like microbiology) to solve problems or find solutions. he's no slouch, btw.

Irrespective of his qualifications his first sentence in that video contradicts the overwhelming evidence about vaccines and autism.
www.sciencedirect.com...

So regardless of possible mechanisms which he proposes in his video, he provides no evidence to support it.
Because there isn't any.

So if he's so far off the mark with that statement, what else is he wrong about?


And he may be no slouch but he's no paediatrician, immunologist, virologist nor epidemiologist either.
Couple that with the fact that he only has one publication on Pubmed about vaccines and that's not about MMR (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...) and that tells me enough about him.

Buy his lipid therapy though, it's great for everything!

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Pardon?

if you watched the video, he explains that many of the vaccines that are tested for contaminates, are contaminated with mycoplasms. on its face, that's not the end of the world, since we humans even have mycoplasms in our gut, rather the issue is, what kind of mycoplasm is contaminating the vaccine. not everyone is going to get a contaminated vaccine and not everyone who does get a contaminated vaccine, is going to get a dangerous mycoplasm contaminate vs. a less dangerous or non-dangerous mycoplasm. it's like russian roulette, in a way.

he explains that the issue is that it would cut into the cost effectiveness of the vaccine, to test every batch for mycoplasm contamination.

They do test for mycoplasm in every batch.
It's part of the quality control testing so the cost is already taken care of.
www.fda.gov...

originally posted by: johnnyBgood
My child suffered because of vaccinations and I didn't think it was a laughing matter moron.

Did you child suffer because of vaccinations, or did your child have problem which you blamed on vaccinations? Just a question, so keep the "moron" out of it.

Also, my point was that would you rather a person died or suffered from tetanus, a terrible and preventable disease, or would you allow the use of a vaccine that is absolutely proven.

Regards