Hezbollah destroys Israeli tank after tensions increase

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: Dabrazzo
LOL did Israel not learn their lesson last time?, how many tanks did they loose then?, 50?, lol.

That must have really taken it's toll on their 1800+ MBT's...

Seeing how the IDF couldn't run back to Israel fast enough it did take it's toll on them.

Whatever floats your boat, buster. We should get you some pom poms. You can cheerlead hezbollah if war breaks out

Hell you could cheerlead anyone! As long as they are against Israel, right?

No I'm just a firm supporter of karma and one of these days Israel is going to find out that karma is a real B####. If you go around attacking people that aren't attacking you then you should expect to get attacked.

Really? So the Arab nations never attacked Israel?

Hamas never attacked Israel? Hezbollah has never attacked Israel? Israel is the sole aggressor in the entire region and always has been? I'll have whatever you're smoking.

You really are ignorant when it comes to history aren't you? 99% of the time Israel is the one that starts the wars. In 48 they started it with the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. In 67 they started it with the bombing of the Egyptian airfields. The Yom Kipper war Egypt started that one. And since that war Israel has been constantly attacking Palestine with it's hostile occupation of land and turning Gaza into a open air prison and their occupation of the West Bank. So yes most of the time Israel is the sole aggressor in the ME. Stop listening to the Zionist propaganda and start looking at facts.

I am not ignorant of history at all. Your version seems to be extremely one sided. It's almost as if the arabs can do no wrong, and have never once initiated any sort of conflict with Israel. If that is the way you see history, I wouldn't be making accusations of ignorance if I was you.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

So preventing terrorists who are plotting to attack your nation from doing so is considered an "unprovoked" attack?

Israel always cries this but never backs it up with any proof. When you kill people that haven't done anything to you then it is a unprovoked attack. This should help you.
un·pro·voked
adjective
(of an attack, or a display of aggression or emotion) not caused by anything done or said.
"acts of unprovoked aggression"
(of a person) not provoked to do something.

Israel's Channel 2 is reporting that Givati Brigade commander Colonel Yaron Finkelman was killed in the attack.

originally posted by: DerekJR321

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: DerekJR321
a reply to: DeadSeraph

Let me ask you something, because I'd like to hear your opinion on it. What transpired during the 6-day war?

The Israelis preemptively attacked Egypt due to solid intelligence (which is now a matter of history) that indicated egypt was building up both its rhetoric and its forces to attack Israel. After Israel decimated the Egyptian air force and pushed the egyptians back across the Sinai, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel, at which point it defended itself on 3 fronts, eventually resulting in territorial gains.

So.. Israel didn't attack Egypt because it was the opportune time? Israel didn't attack Egypt because Egypt was at least a year and a half away from having any significant ability to fight Israel? Israel didn't use the 6-day war as a means to take even MORE land away from Palestinians?

I'm just trying to gauge how much of an "Israel was / is defending itself" stance I'm going to have to expect.

What? Egypt had far superior numbers to Israel at the time. This was even before Israel was being spoon fed by the U.S military. Nasser's rhetoric was obvious. You can find his speeches on youtube. He was actively calling for the arab world to unite and wipe out Israel as one. Once his people and his neighbors called him on his bluff, he mobilized his forces across the sinai and positioned them to attack Israel. It's a matter of history. Israel's only hope for survival was to catch the Egyptians off guard and hit their air force on the ground by surprise, or they would have been annihilated by Egypt's superior numbers alone. The only reason they were even able to beat Nasser's forces back across the sinai was because they had complete air superiority.

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: DeadSeraph

originally posted by: Dabrazzo
LOL did Israel not learn their lesson last time?, how many tanks did they loose then?, 50?, lol.

That must have really taken it's toll on their 1800+ MBT's...

Seeing how the IDF couldn't run back to Israel fast enough it did take it's toll on them.

Whatever floats your boat, buster. We should get you some pom poms. You can cheerlead hezbollah if war breaks out

Hell you could cheerlead anyone! As long as they are against Israel, right?

No I'm just a firm supporter of karma and one of these days Israel is going to find out that karma is a real B####. If you go around attacking people that aren't attacking you then you should expect to get attacked.

Really? So the Arab nations never attacked Israel?

Hamas never attacked Israel? Hezbollah has never attacked Israel? Israel is the sole aggressor in the entire region and always has been? I'll have whatever you're smoking.

You really are ignorant when it comes to history aren't you? 99% of the time Israel is the one that starts the wars. In 48 they started it with the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. In 67 they started it with the bombing of the Egyptian airfields. The Yom Kipper war Egypt started that one. And since that war Israel has been constantly attacking Palestine with it's hostile occupation of land and turning Gaza into a open air prison and their occupation of the West Bank. So yes most of the time Israel is the sole aggressor in the ME. Stop listening to the Zionist propaganda and start looking at facts.

I am not ignorant of history at all. Your version seems to be extremely one sided. It's almost as if the arabs can do no wrong, and have never once initiated any sort of conflict with Israel. If that is the way you see history, I wouldn't be making accusations of ignorance if I was you.

What I provided is historical fact. Now you are whining because it doesn't follow the Israeli propaganda of them being always attacked and having to defend themselves. If you believe that Arabs attacking Israel is what always starts the wars then you are being willfully ignorant of history. Arabs can scream we are going to attack all they want but until they have actually attacked Israel then Israel isn't defending themselves because nothing has happened. When Israel does a preemptive strike on someone then they are starting the war. There is no such thing as we are defending ourselves from a attack that hasn't happened.

a reply to: buster2010

I see. So history has been revised entirely by the "zionist agenda" am I right? It's not like we didn't have cameras, or documents, or footage that the entire world could see or anything...

I mean lets just forget about the fact Israel's arab neighbors basically tried to snuff it out in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war while it was still a fledgling nation. All Israel's fault right? Arabs didn't invade because it's just revisionist history?

Netanyahu;
"I suggest that all those who are challenging us on our northern border, look at what happened in Gaza, not far from the city of Sderot."



Is this a warning to the children, women, the disabled & pensioners of Lebanon... You betcha!


This statement is proof of Netanyahu's Mental Health problems...

Asserting this with such a conviction that he is proud and ready to do again what he did to the Gazan Martyrs is a clear sign of Psychopathy!

a reply to: daaskapital

It really is a shame you know.... Beirut used to be called "the Paris of the mideast'. I love Lebanon and, having grown up inside a Lebanese community, have many Lebanese friends of whom the majority despise and hate Hezbollah, Arafat and the PLO (as well as Islamic extremism) for what they have done to their once beautiful country.

a reply to: buster2010

and for the record, I never said it was ALWAYS arabs attacking Israel. You are the one claiming that Israel is the aggressor in every single conflict. You are blinded by hatred.

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: daaskapital

It really is a shame you know.... Beirut used to be called "the Paris of the mideast'. I love Lebanon and, having grown up inside a Lebanese community, have many Lebanese friends of whom the majority despise and hate Hezbollah, Arafat and the PLO (as well as Islamic extremism) for what they have done to their once beautiful country.

THIS. I love the Lebanese people. Hezbollah does not speak for all of them, and Israel does not hate Lebanon or want war with Lebanon. It's funny how Israel takes all the blame yet it wasn't so long ago Lebanon was being occupied by Iranian and Syrian active military personnel.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Even though Buster clearly said that Egypt started the Yom Kippur War?


So where did he say that Israel "is the aggressor in every single conflict"?


And furthermore, what has all that got to do with anything considering Israel did in fact start this by murdering Freedom Fighters who are battling ISIS???


Is it a case of "well Lebanon have started wars with Israel as well so neener neener"?




In other news Diaper Sales in Israel earn 650million dollars annually...

A vast majority being sold to the IDF, no doubt!

Even though Buster clearly said that Egypt started the Yom Kippur War?

Do you get the impression he felt Egypt was justified? Furthermore, do you get the impression from busters posts that he has indicated Israel has EVER been justified in ANY of it's military engagements since it's creation? Do you think buster even believes in Israel's right to exist?

And furthermore, what has all that got to do with anything considering Israel did in fact start this by murdering Freedom Fighters who are battling ISIS???

So Hezbollah are "freedom fighters" now? I think many people in Israel might beg to differ. I don't know what Israeli intelligence knew, but I'm willing to believe them over you.

Is it a case of "well Lebanon have started wars with Israel as well so neener neener"?

Where did I ever say anything of the sort? If anything I've indicated that Lebanon has nothing to do with the conflict with Israel. Does Hezbollah represent the nation of Lebanon now?

In other news Diaper Sales in Israel earn 650million dollars annually...

A vast majority being sold to the IDF, no doubt!

Whatever you say, champ.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Again, Israel does not want war with Lebanon (the nation).

Would stealing land from the nation of Lebanon not be an act of war against the Lebanese government?

The interview clearly quotes him saying that they could possibly grab some land.

a reply to: MaxMech

Did you actually read the article?

Yes, I read the article, did you?

What are your thoughts about stealing pieces of land from Lebanon?

Or did you miss that part?

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Do you get the impression he felt Egypt was justified? Furthermore, do you get the impression from busters posts that he has indicated Israel has EVER been justified in ANY of it's military engagements since it's creation? Do you think buster even believes in Israel's right to exist?

To be honest I didn't get that impression.
& it doesn't really matter what I believe I do not know Buster's ideological mindset as I've never asked him.

So Hezbollah are "freedom fighters" now? I think many people in Israel might beg to differ. I don't know what Israeli intelligence knew, but I'm willing to believe them over you.

Yes Hezbollah are Freedom Fighters...
Israelis can beg to differ all they like and you can believe them all you wish.

Where did I ever say anything of the sort? If anything I've indicated that Lebanon has nothing to do with the conflict with Israel. Does Hezbollah represent the nation of Lebanon now?

I never said you did I was asking a question.
Hezbollah does represent Lebanon...
& Netanyahu's proclamation of collective punishent in Gaza that is what he admits he wants to happen in this conflict is a statement that does not equate with "we are only going to be fighting Hezbollah".

Add to the fact an Israeli MP recently said they would send "Lebanon back to the Stone Age" also says to me that this is not about Hezbollah alone, but in fact the whole of the Lebanese Nation.



& bragging about planning a collective punishment, which is against International Law, is not only a prominent Israeli strategy, it is also Psychopathy at its finest

How many hours has pasted since this attack. Israel is holding back with the return fire.

originally posted by: maddy21

sputniknews.com...

An Israel Defense Force (IDF) vehicle was struck by an anti-tank missile near the Lebanese border Wednesday morning, killing 15 Israeli soldiers inside, Sputnik Arabic News Service reports.

Wow i didnt know those could hold 15 soldiers! lol hahahahaha! a merkava wont hold 15 troops. obvious propaganda is obvious.
Also it was 3 israeli soldiers and ONE UN peacekeeper dead.

ALso if Israel wanted to level lebanon they have plenty of daisy cutters in storage or FAB's with which to do so i imagine. daisy cutters incase you do not know are MOAB lights. They have a huge blast radius that is able to clear airfield sized areas. SO if israel stops giving a dang about colatorral it wont be pretty

shame these peopel cant leave each other alone.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Do you get the impression he felt Egypt was justified? Furthermore, do you get the impression from busters posts that he has indicated Israel has EVER been justified in ANY of it's military engagements since it's creation? Do you think buster even believes in Israel's right to exist?

Unless Israel has been attacked then they have no justification for staring a war. In the Yom Kipper they had every right to defend themselves because Egypt did attack them. Also no I do not think Israel has a right to exist because I don't think any nation has a right to exist. For what reason does any nation have a right to exist?

So Hezbollah are "freedom fighters" now? I think many people in Israel might beg to differ. I don't know what Israeli intelligence knew, but I'm willing to believe them over you.

Yes Hezbollah are in many ways freedom fighters. If you don't like them then blame Israel they were formed because of Israels invasion of Lebanon in 1982.

Buster since you do not believe in any nations right to exist...why are you calling for a palestinian state? Since no nation has a right to exist we do not need to give people one or defend one right?

a reply to: buster2010

Thanks for clearing that up.

Also no I do not think Israel has a right to exist because I don't think any nation has a right to exist. For what reason does any nation have a right to exist?

Then why should palestine exist instead of Israel? I feel like you are presenting a double standard here.

Yes Hezbollah are in many ways freedom fighters. If you don't like them then blame Israel they were formed because of Israels invasion of Lebanon in 1982

Hezbollah does not represent the Lebanese people as a whole, regardless of why they were formed. In the case of the Lebanon War, lets not kid ourselves and pretend that Israel simply invaded Lebanon unprovoked without looking at the events leading up to that war (including PLO terrorist activity based in Lebanon). Hezbollah was propped up, funded, and armed by Iran as a shiite resistance organization, hell bent on not only expelling Israel from Lebanon, but destroying it outright.

No, I will never "like" Hezbollah. They are not freedom fighters, they are TERRORISTS who do not have peace in mind, because they simply refuse to acknowledge Israel as a nation. Any organization that refuses to do so cannot be reasoned with. Imagine telling everyone in the U.S to go back to their country of origin. Perhaps we should all go back to Africa and start from scratch?