Breaking News: Springfield MO officer shot, in serious condition

a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

No. I get tired of people who apply the broad brush to their life and think that's a good way to handle things. For somebody who's screaming about what a law abiding person you are, you sure do seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder.

The attempt at drawing a parallel to the SS was really just the icing on the cake of a hysterical, unintelligent, misanthropic tirade.

If there was a beating anywhere in your ranting and raving, I guess it was so utterly lightweight that I missed it.

You have a good day now champ.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.

They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.

Are you one of those guys who demands a lawyer be present for a simple traffic stop? I'm asking honestly.

I've never been stopped in traffic, and yes I would. Now you are going to stereotype me as "one of those guys" ? I'm a civilian, a tax payer who funds their #ery.

Well if we're stereotyping...

I have a feeling your attitude towards LEOs in general is the cause of your bad experiences. You mentioned that you don't have call an LEO "Sir" or "M'am". That's very true, actually, but I call EVERYONE "sir" or "M'am". Especially if I'm just meeting them. Doesn't matter if it's some coked-out homeless guy or a Police Officer, everyone in my book gets at least THAT much respect. My parents raised me well, I guess. It's fine to know and want to exercise your rights, but I get the feeling that you're disrespecting officers before they even get a chance to show you they're decent people.

I could be wrong, of course. But consider this. If I were an LEO, and I pulled you over for speeding and you tried to get all legalese on me and start demanding lawyers and generally being a disrespectful jerk and wasting my time, I'd probably be less likely wear my kid gloves when handling you. Just saying.

Now you're just taking your hypotheticals to the extreme...you're going to get physical with me during a traffic stop if I ask for a lawyer? What if you are harassing me from the get go? Like I said many times, I don't go out of my way to break the law. If I was speeding I'm man enough to take the ticket. But if you start saying, "oh boy I smell something weird is it okay if we search you and your car type nonsense then yes I will be calling my lawyer right away because cops are afraid of lawyers. IYou said even your cop friend is bothered by the rising militarization. So how are we going to stop it when non-cops such as yourself and the other skeletor avatar guy keep brushing their crimes under the rug and using cute semantic word play to defend them? They're all puppy huggers and lollipop hander outers.

I don't call homeless people sir or madame.

Did I say I'd get physical? No I didn't. I simply said I'd be less likely to wear kid gloves. You hassle me, I hassle right back. And speaking of stereotyping, I believe neither of us had stated that "All LEOs are puppy huggers". We BOTH said there are bad cops, and there's corruption. But when you blame an entire group for the action of a few... Well, you're limiting your worldview. You're letting your personal feelings get in the way of what should be a rational assessment of the bigger picture. Yeah there are dirty cops and corrupt departments. No, fixing it will not be easy.

It takes a certain type of person who blames the entire group for the actions of a few. They're usually racists, sexists, etc.

I'm not calling you a racist or a sexist, but that's the path you tread when you blame everyone for something only a few have done.

Ok I can see where your problem with my thinking lies, and you feel I am wrongfully stereotyping all cops. So in terms of addressing and rectifying the growing militarization...are only bad cops sitting in armored personnel carriers holding assault rifles, silent regarding our slow erosion of liberties by their handlers, silent about the STEEP rise in civilian deaths at the hands of cops? Will change be brought about by going through each and every department and singling out the "good cops" from the "bad cops" and then going forward from there? Does that make an ounce of sense? No, and in fact we must treat this phenomenon with the gravity and urgency it deserves. If you want to make macro sized changes, you have to treat the police as an institution that it is. No more hiding behind this "ohhhh but so many cops are puppy huggers"

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.

They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.

Are you one of those guys who demands a lawyer be present for a simple traffic stop? I'm asking honestly.

I've never been stopped in traffic, and yes I would. Now you are going to stereotype me as "one of those guys" ? I'm a civilian, a tax payer who funds their #ery.

Well if we're stereotyping...

I have a feeling your attitude towards LEOs in general is the cause of your bad experiences. You mentioned that you don't have call an LEO "Sir" or "M'am". That's very true, actually, but I call EVERYONE "sir" or "M'am". Especially if I'm just meeting them. Doesn't matter if it's some coked-out homeless guy or a Police Officer, everyone in my book gets at least THAT much respect. My parents raised me well, I guess. It's fine to know and want to exercise your rights, but I get the feeling that you're disrespecting officers before they even get a chance to show you they're decent people.

I could be wrong, of course. But consider this. If I were an LEO, and I pulled you over for speeding and you tried to get all legalese on me and start demanding lawyers and generally being a disrespectful jerk and wasting my time, I'd probably be less likely wear my kid gloves when handling you. Just saying.

Now you're just taking your hypotheticals to the extreme...you're going to get physical with me during a traffic stop if I ask for a lawyer? What if you are harassing me from the get go? Like I said many times, I don't go out of my way to break the law. If I was speeding I'm man enough to take the ticket. But if you start saying, "oh boy I smell something weird is it okay if we search you and your car type nonsense then yes I will be calling my lawyer right away because cops are afraid of lawyers. IYou said even your cop friend is bothered by the rising militarization. So how are we going to stop it when non-cops such as yourself and the other skeletor avatar guy keep brushing their crimes under the rug and using cute semantic word play to defend them? They're all puppy huggers and lollipop hander outers.

I don't call homeless people sir or madame.

Did I say I'd get physical? No I didn't. I simply said I'd be less likely to wear kid gloves. You hassle me, I hassle right back. And speaking of stereotyping, I believe neither of us had stated that "All LEOs are puppy huggers". We BOTH said there are bad cops, and there's corruption. But when you blame an entire group for the action of a few... Well, you're limiting your worldview. You're letting your personal feelings get in the way of what should be a rational assessment of the bigger picture. Yeah there are dirty cops and corrupt departments. No, fixing it will not be easy.

It takes a certain type of person who blames the entire group for the actions of a few. They're usually racists, sexists, etc.

I'm not calling you a racist or a sexist, but that's the path you tread when you blame everyone for something only a few have done.

Ok I can see where your problem with my thinking lies, and you feel I am wrongfully stereotyping all cops. So in terms of addressing and rectifying the growing militarization...are only bad cops sitting in armored personnel carriers holding assault rifles, silent regarding our slow erosion of liberties by their handlers, silent about the STEEP rise in civilian deaths at the hands of cops? Will change be brought about by going through each and every department and singling out the "good cops" from the "bad cops" and then going forward from there? Does that make an ounce of sense? No, and in fact we must treat this phenomenon with the gravity and urgency it deserves. If you want to make macro sized changes, you have to treat the police as an institution that it is. No more hiding behind this "ohhhh but so many cops are puppy huggers"

Someone thought many of the same things about the Jews once in the mid 20th century.

You can't solve a problem by judging an entire group of people guilty. It's that simple.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

No. I get tired of people who apply the broad brush to their life and think that's a good way to handle things. For somebody who's screaming about what a law abiding person you are, you sure do seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder.

The attempt at drawing a parallel to the SS was really just the icing on the cake of a hysterical, unintelligent, misanthropic tirade.

If there was a beating anywhere in your ranting and raving, I guess it was so utterly lightweight that I missed it.

You have a good day now champ.

I'm done with you skeletor, have a great day don't bump into anything sharp.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.

They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.

Are you one of those guys who demands a lawyer be present for a simple traffic stop? I'm asking honestly.

I've never been stopped in traffic, and yes I would. Now you are going to stereotype me as "one of those guys" ? I'm a civilian, a tax payer who funds their #ery.

Well if we're stereotyping...

I have a feeling your attitude towards LEOs in general is the cause of your bad experiences. You mentioned that you don't have call an LEO "Sir" or "M'am". That's very true, actually, but I call EVERYONE "sir" or "M'am". Especially if I'm just meeting them. Doesn't matter if it's some coked-out homeless guy or a Police Officer, everyone in my book gets at least THAT much respect. My parents raised me well, I guess. It's fine to know and want to exercise your rights, but I get the feeling that you're disrespecting officers before they even get a chance to show you they're decent people.

I could be wrong, of course. But consider this. If I were an LEO, and I pulled you over for speeding and you tried to get all legalese on me and start demanding lawyers and generally being a disrespectful jerk and wasting my time, I'd probably be less likely wear my kid gloves when handling you. Just saying.

Now you're just taking your hypotheticals to the extreme...you're going to get physical with me during a traffic stop if I ask for a lawyer? What if you are harassing me from the get go? Like I said many times, I don't go out of my way to break the law. If I was speeding I'm man enough to take the ticket. But if you start saying, "oh boy I smell something weird is it okay if we search you and your car type nonsense then yes I will be calling my lawyer right away because cops are afraid of lawyers. IYou said even your cop friend is bothered by the rising militarization. So how are we going to stop it when non-cops such as yourself and the other skeletor avatar guy keep brushing their crimes under the rug and using cute semantic word play to defend them? They're all puppy huggers and lollipop hander outers.

I don't call homeless people sir or madame.

Did I say I'd get physical? No I didn't. I simply said I'd be less likely to wear kid gloves. You hassle me, I hassle right back. And speaking of stereotyping, I believe neither of us had stated that "All LEOs are puppy huggers". We BOTH said there are bad cops, and there's corruption. But when you blame an entire group for the action of a few... Well, you're limiting your worldview. You're letting your personal feelings get in the way of what should be a rational assessment of the bigger picture. Yeah there are dirty cops and corrupt departments. No, fixing it will not be easy.

It takes a certain type of person who blames the entire group for the actions of a few. They're usually racists, sexists, etc.

I'm not calling you a racist or a sexist, but that's the path you tread when you blame everyone for something only a few have done.

Ok I can see where your problem with my thinking lies, and you feel I am wrongfully stereotyping all cops. So in terms of addressing and rectifying the growing militarization...are only bad cops sitting in armored personnel carriers holding assault rifles, silent regarding our slow erosion of liberties by their handlers, silent about the STEEP rise in civilian deaths at the hands of cops? Will change be brought about by going through each and every department and singling out the "good cops" from the "bad cops" and then going forward from there? Does that make an ounce of sense? No, and in fact we must treat this phenomenon with the gravity and urgency it deserves. If you want to make macro sized changes, you have to treat the police as an institution that it is. No more hiding behind this "ohhhh but so many cops are puppy huggers"

Someone thought many of the same things about the Jews once in the mid 20th century.

You can't solve a problem by judging an entire group of people guilty. It's that simple.

Comparing cops to Jewish victims of the Holocaust. I'm done with you too anime girl, have a great day don't run with scissors.

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Stop the petty bickering and get on topic.


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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Good points.

I actually did a little research into why people stereotype, a while back. The reasons behind it are pretty interesting. Some pretty in depth articles and papers out there about the psychology behind it.

ETA: Saw the mod post. My bad.

a reply to: MarxMarvellous

Maybe lots of people just see through the illusion you obviously don't.

Police are guardians of corrupt states, they don't protect the people. They are revenue raisers and investigators after the crime is committed.

Could be double the police and if I wanted you dead, you'd still be dead. Brainwashed people live in a "police keep us safe" delusion.



I live on a fairly busy rural highway 18 miles from the nearest town so no, cops are not anywhere near close enough to protect me all of the time and that is just one reason why I know I have to protect myself.

I once shared this same perspective about law enforcement but I am older now and my opinions on this subject have changed somewhat. Yes, cops generally show up after a crime has been committed and were unfortunately unable to stop that particular crime. But what about all of the crimes that could, or would be committed by that same perpetrator if they were not there to track that perpetrator down and bring him/her to justice? "Do cops provide a valuable service to the public"? Hell Yes they do. Yes, cops make mistakes and unfortunate things happen when they do but do we need them? HELL YES!

Update - by Chief Paul Williams - SPD

Officer shot - Aaron Pearson, 30 years old - Married and father of 2 children.

He remains in serious, but stable condition at a local hospital. Out of respect for the family, the department is not releasing where he was shot or much more about his injuries.

Pearson has been on the force for three years. He is married and has two children. "He is a dedicated law enforcement officer. He's a great street officer. He enjoyed working the graveyard shift and keeping y'all safe while you're sleeping," said Williams.

Suspect - Joshua Hagood, 32 years old

Just after 8 a.m., a Special Response Team encountered a man, later identified as Joshua Hagood, 32, in the back of the Rent-To-Own Auto store parking lot, which is located just east of Panda Express. They arrested Hagood a short-time later and brought in a van to transport to him to jail. "He is the main suspect and the focus of our investigation," said Williams. No other arrests have been made and the department doesn't anticipate taking anyone else into custody.

Hagood, who is being held on unrelated charges, has a lengthy criminal history. According to online court records, he was sentenced in 2008 to eight years in prison for assaulting a law enforcement officer and possessing drugs in Greene County. In Dec. 2014, Hagood pleaded guilty in Polk County to charges of assault on a law enforcement officer, theft, resisting arrest, and unlawful use of drug paraphernalia. He also has a prior assault conviction out of St. Clair County from an incident in 2004.

KTTS - Update

Last Officer involved shooting in Springfield occurred in 2013.

Chief Williams is calling for the public to rally around the officer using any of the following methods: Messages can be shared with the SPD on Twitter (@sgfpolice) or Facebook (SGF Police – Springfield, MO) using the hashtag “#PrayersforSPD” or by email at [email protected].

The Springfield Police Department also released information Monday afternoon about how members of the community can donate.


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Many have so generously offered to provide monetary donations to our injured officer and his family. Here is how that can be done.

Donations can be made through the Missouri Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) Foundation. The primary account location is Commerce Bank at 2770 W. Republic Rd.

You can donate money by visiting any Springfield Commerce Bank and donating to the FOP account, or you can send checks with “Springfield Police” in the memo to:

Missouri FOP Foundation
2101 W. Chesterfield Blvd. C100-91
Springfield, MO 65807

We apologize for any inconvenience, but donations cannot be made over the phone.

Anyone who doesn't feel at least a modicum of sympathy for a fellow human being shot just because he's a cop is a scumbag. Plain and simple.

a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken We have scumbags running around after the police arrest them because they are let loose by judges,and overcrowded institutions. Our police are expected to encounter and confront any and all criminals and/ or anyone else that might breaking the law. That in its self is a daunting prospect, but that is his job. I realize it is frustrating to be treated without what you consider respect but you have to realize the policeman does not know if you are going to pull out a gun and shoot him. Especially if you are giving him a hard time and no respect. He could be laying his life on the line every time he encounters another person during course of duty. Saying that I will also say most policeman I have met off duty seem very nice but the ones on duty are much more on alert. They all seemed (to me) somewhat egotistical. My stepson is a police officer and I think I would be one of the first persons he knows who would get a ticket!

a reply to: Stormdancer777

That's a pretty tiny number when you realize there are 1 million cops in the US. 34, 000 in the NYPD alone.

Springfield NewsLeader - Media Briefing


Background info on the suspect