"There are things you simply don’t do." Netanyahu's upcoming Congressional address

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: neo96

After watching 6 years of Obama's foreign policy decisions it's clear he doesn't know what the hell he's doing

I think he knows exactly what hes doing

Aiding and abetting terrorists setting up the war on terror to last longer than it should.

My bad I guess he does.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Youre telling me Abbas and Bibi arent fighting who they both think are terrorists? They are fighting EACH OTHER and they could show up.....TOGETHER to stand besides EACHOTHER

You're a little mixed up here. Benny isn't fighting Abbas he's fighting Hamas Abbas is in the West Bank Hamas is in Gaza. Also they wasn't standing besides each other but they was in the same line.

Stop with the cop out......

No cop out just fact. Besides we are footing the bill for Israel to fight those "terrorist".

Seriously he cant make that show of solidarity,because its too short notice but he can show up to this monsters funeral?

Where is their show of solidarity to America? How much are these nations spending to fight ISIS and Al-Qaeda? How many of their soldiers have died fighting them?

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: neo96
No he doesn't not on his own. Read a link before posting it.

This procedure required either unanimous consent or resolution by the chamber that wished to receive the foreign leader.

Where was the unanimous consent by Congress? You do understand what the word unanimous means right? If one person in congress is against him speaking to congress then he does not have the right to invite him. Where is the resolution?

I did read it.

Did you ?

Congress has invited speeches by dignitaries throughout its history.

a reply to: buster2010

Im not confused at alll buster

Youre splitting hairs and you know it

The point is, they stood side by side and could make it.......

Obama cant make it because its "short notice"

But he can make it to see the family of a man who is famous for his connection to some seriously barbaric practices?

Give me a break..

Honestly do you work for MSNBC or what? just the lengths you go to justify Obamas actions are astounding.....

There is no justification........

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: beezzer
In 2007, then Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, went against the Bush administrations decision to meet with Assad.

Context is very important.

Context sure is important.

To wit:

history.house.gov...

And:

history.house.gov...

This is nothing new.

Just the White House/MSNBC crying 'victim'.

This isn't a simple "left vs. right" issue. This is our President (i.e. chief foreign policy figurehead) conducting sensitive meetings on the topic of nuclear Iran, and a foreign leader who is a bitter enemy of Iran entering the U.S. to talk to a Congress that does not agree with the President on any issue. This is a very clear and dangerous signal to both the people of the world and the U.S.

READ THOSE LINKS.

Then try to spin that again.

After watching 6 years of Obama's foreign policy decisions it's clear he doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

Someone deciding that our elected president "doesn't know what he's doing" doesn't grant them carte blanche to begin acting as President II to foreign dignitaries, particularly not without the President's consent. I don't care how little you like Obama; the US must present itself to the outside world in one voice, or things become complicated and potentially dangerous.

Say hello to why our system of government was created in the FIRST PLACE.

To check the power of the EXECUTIVE.

That is the function of congress.

Want to know who is behind the snip in YEMEN ?

IRAN.

And the presidents wants to cut deals with them?

What a joke.

Iran-Backed Rebels Just Sacked Yemen's Presidential Palace

The president clearly said he will veto any sanctions on Iran.

Which is why Netanyahu is coming here in the first place.

Lots of Democrats want sanctions too.

Democrats revolt on Iran

All congress needs is a VETO PROOF majority.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

This isn't a simple "left vs. right" issue. This is our President (i.e. chief foreign policy figurehead) conducting sensitive meetings on the topic of nuclear Iran, and a foreign leader who is a bitter enemy of Iran entering the U.S. to talk to a Congress that does not agree with the President on any issue. This is a very clear and dangerous signal to both the people of the world and the U.S.

so obama throwing a temper tantrum doesn't give the people of the world and the U.S. a very dangerous signal. and lets not forget that israel is still our ally who we supply all sorts of aid. which 75% of that aid has to be spent on U.S. made goods and services.

The main expression of Congressional support for Israel has been foreign aid.[1] Since 1985, it has provided nearly 3 billion in grants annually to Israel, with Israel being the largest annual recipient of American aid from 1976 to 2004 and the largest cumulative recipient of aid ($121 billion, not inflation-adjusted) since World War II.[2] Seventy-four percent of these funds must be spent purchasing US goods and services.[3] More recently, in fiscal year 2014, the US provided $3.6 billion in foreign military aid to Israel.[2] Israel also benefits from about $8 billion of loan guarantees.[2]
Israel–United States relations

now i'm one of the first ones to say cut foreign aid to any and all, but when we get 74% of that aid back spent on U.S. made goods and services that's not so bad to me.

plus what has iranian government done for us other than being a pain in the a@@ for the past 30 years.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: neo96
No he doesn't not on his own. Read a link before posting it.

This procedure required either unanimous consent or resolution by the chamber that wished to receive the foreign leader.

Where was the unanimous consent by Congress? You do understand what the word unanimous means right? If one person in congress is against him speaking to congress then he does not have the right to invite him. Where is the resolution?

Cool.

We have a poster here at ATS who knows more about the Congressional rules than Obama and the entire Congress.

So if you're right, why isn't somebody, ANYBODY, (except you) making this claim?

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Sunwolf

originally posted by: buster2010
Obama should snub him he didn't invite him over he and he has no right to address congress. Boehner should be held in violation of the Logan act because the only reason why he is bringing Benny over here is to try and interrupt the peace negotiations with Iran. Boehner does not have the right to interfere with the peace negotiations with another government the secret service should meet Benny at the airport and send him right back to Israel.

You mean like this?

www.noquarterusa.net...


I am waiting for Obama to be charged with Logan act violations.

Ed Morrissey is an idiot. In 2011 Obama was not only a Presidential candidate he was also President. Also Obama didn't have to do anything to draw down the troops in Iraq that paperwork was signed before Bush left office.

Uh...that was written on Sept 15,2008.....

originally posted by: neo96
Want to know who is behind the snip in YEMEN ?

IRAN.

And the presidents wants to cut deals with them?

What a joke.

I think current negotiations are going well with Iran. What exactly do you want done to Iran? Harder sanctions? or more? what does this mean? It's all good an well to insist we must get tougher on Iran and whatever but at the end of the day it's important to back that rhetoric with substance, with details.

By the way I would note Beezers comment about Pelosi visiting Assad to much the displeasure of the whitehouse in 2007. I don't believe politicians should be undermining the president and protocol to foreign leaders, whoever it may be in the white house.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Why the hell are we even negotiating with them in the first place?

U.S. military says Iran behind rising deaths

Record Number of U.S. Troops Killed by Iranian Weapons

U.S. military leader says Iranian weapons killing Americans in Iraq

With as much American blood on their hands.

We should not be making deals with them.

Scores of documents made public by WikiLeaks, which has disclosed classified information about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, provide a ground-level look — at least as seen by American units in the field and the United States’ military intelligence — at the shadow war between the United States and Iraqi militias backed by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards.

Leaked Reports Detail Iran’s Aid for Iraqi Militias

a reply to: neo96

You just ignored my question to you. Here, I'll repeat it:

"What exactly do you want done to Iran? Harder sanctions? or more? what does this mean?"

You seem to be reluctant to bring up specifics. It seems the Republicans do too. Why is that? Is it because the answer will be obviously unfavorable to the public? hmm.

I think the whole thing is silly anyway.
I think its silly for the following two reasons;

1.) Appearance of a United Front Argument
Can anyone name me a country that thinks for a second that Republicans and Democrats agree with each other here, anymore than their own Nations Political Parties agree with one another? If you can show me that Country I will show you a country that does not have Television.

2.) The Danger of the Speaker, speaking to someone.
Why does it matter if someone in Congress or the House speaks with another nations leader publicly?
Can they actually do anything to help them without the executive branches permission?

3)

originally posted by: Southern Guardian

"What exactly do you want done to Iran? Harder sanctions? or more? what does this mean?"

Let me answer this question....

Sanctions lead to the population feeling the pain. In Iran the younger population is moderate, want to be moderate, want to live like the west does, wants to travel, want to be able to have successful and prosperous life. I would love one day to visit Iran, for the people are generous and forgiving, but they can not achieve these things because of the hard lines their government follows.

Iran's controlling government is not moderate and so they do the things they do. Israel's government is not moderate either, but the big difference is that Iran's population is not in fear of attack, is not in fear of rockets or suicide bombers, or even a terrorist group trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. Israel will keep it's government due to these fears and the population will fully support their government.

This takes us to Iran where the younger population just sees their government doing what they do and they suffer because of it when they do not really need to. We will see this in Russia too as Putin loses control as his population suffers due to his choices. For both Iran and Russia there is only two choices, change their government or fight to the death defending a government they do not really believe in.

Watch as both these countries face difficult times from within....

originally posted by: buster2010
Obama should snub him he didn't invite him over he and he has no right to address congress. Boehner should be held in violation of the Logan act because the only reason why he is bringing Benny over here is to try and interrupt the peace negotiations with Iran. Boehner does not have the right to interfere with the peace negotiations with another government the secret service should meet Benny at the airport and send him right back to Israel.

Your anti-"Zionist" hate blinds you at times doesn't it.

Speaking of,

"You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist'. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews" -- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

a reply to: IntroduceALittleIrony

That "quote" from MLK is from a hoax letter.


But nice appeal to emotion using MLK...
Like people can't disagree with the man in any sense.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Is that so ?

Must have missed his other comment about:

'I have a dream that one day man will be judged on the content of their character, not the color of their skin'.

Seems to me same difference.

And yes when people use the pc term zionist they ARE talking about Jews.

Funny coming from someone on the other side of the issue that doesn't like to be called a terrorist.

But it's ok to call Jews zionists!

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

the letter has been found to be a hoax, but there is evidence that he felt that way and it come from a 1969 account by a well known Professor and sociologist. he wrote in a article.

King was, however, quoted by Dr. Seymour Martin Lipset, who is currently the Hazel Professor of Public Policy of George Mason University and a professor at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University. The noted sociologist and political analyst wrote the article "The Socialism of Fools: The Left, the Jews and Israel" which was published in the December, 1969 (page 24) edition of Encounter magazine, and was reprinted in other publications. The article states: "Shortly before he was assassinated, Martin Luther King, Jr., was in Boston on a fund-raising mission, and I had the good fortune to attend a dinner which was given for him in Cambridge...One of the young men present happened to make some remark against the Zionists. Dr. King snapped at him and said, "Don't talk like that! When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism!" Dr. King clearly linked anti-Zionism to anti-Semitism, but the speech as quoted is not accurate.
Breaking A Myth: What Did Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Actually Say About Anti-Zionism And Anti-Semitism?

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
MSNBC

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Is anyone else seeing the cause for possible alarm that I am?

What I see as a cause of alarm is that anyone watches ANY MSM, and then believes the propaganda.

Especially the extreme propagandists like maddow, hanity and the like.


It is all an illusion to pit us against one another. The same people control the BS put out by msnbc and fox.

It is THEIR goal to create divides and then feed the hate.
Anyone who watches any of it and believes it is being played.

a reply to: neo96

Call me a terrorist all you want if that helps you sleep at night.



& what of all the Zionists who are not Jews?


Stop talking rubbish.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

"You cannot substitute one tyranny for the other, and for the Black man to be struggling for justice and then turn around and be anti-Semitic, is not only a very irrational course, but it is a very immoral course, and whenever we have seen anti-Semitism we have condemned it with all our might." -Dr. Martin Luther King J

ADL pays special tribute to Dr. King for his dedication to combating anti-Semitism. He was a leader in the struggle to free Soviet Jewry and supported Israel’s right to a secure and independent state. His deep understanding of our shared history helped usher in an era of steady cooperation and mutual respect. Dr. King understood that, "The segregationists and racists make no fine distinction between the Negro and the Jew."

Anti Defamation League