How About Some Islamic Doom Porn?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FallenHuman
A man should not be able to reach 1400+ years into the future. Right. If he does, what do you think about that?

Got a source for those alleged prophecies of Muhammad?

What do I think about people who can see into the future? Their gift comes either from God or the Devil. And considering Muhammads bloody history and the murders he committed and the caravans he robbed ... If he actually had any visions, which it is highly doubtful that he did, they would have come from an evil source.

Muhammad wasn't a prophet. He was a war lord who invented a religion in order to make people follow him.

Wow. Just plain wow. So much misinformation, who are you trying to fool? Yourself?

You mention God and the Devil as if you think they are on the same level. No. Only God knows what will happen in the future. If God is on your side, you don't have to fear the Devil.
Seeing into the future is not like what you think. Do you know that time is only relevant for those that are alive - time itself is a created thing. God is not subject to it Himself. Past, present and future all already happened if time wasn't a factor. Past, present and future are like pearls, time being the string that puts them in order.

You say the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) invented a religion. Well let's look at what you claim. You do know that Jesus (AS) foretold of one to come after him right?

John 16:12

12 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13" But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
14" He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.…

The only person to claim prophethood and to come after Jesus is...you guessed it the Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Don't bother with 'It's talking about the Holy Spirit' claim. You would think if that were the case he could have said Holy Spirit instead of Spirit of Truth. Also, this is a unique verse in the Bible. Why? Simple. Because 'He' is used 8 times + 1 'his'. That there is a strong emphasis. Who is this 'He' that is going to guide you to all truth. What are the many things that you cannot bear so was not recorded in the Bible? If you think you follow Jesus, you've got to listen to what he is saying.

In Makkah/Medina at the time of the Prophet Muhammad there were Jews. Now you might ask what they were doing there. Well, they were there because according to their books, the last Prophet would appear in that region. And in their interaction with the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), the most learned ones among them tested him and he passed their tests, asking him things which according to them only a prophet would know. Half converted to Islam and half didn't.

The Qur'an was revealed not as a complete book, but in parts, verses or chapters. Over the 23 years of his prophethood. He became a prophet at 40 years old like Moses (AS). Sometimes in response to events or situations happening at the time, or sometimes mentioning future events. Sometimes mentioning past events, and then saying neither you nor your people knew this before. You see the Qur'an is unique in that. Sometimes it mentions what people were thinking, plotting in secret or thinking or feeling in their heart. Information that no human being can claim to know.

On top of all this, he preached a global religion from the beginning. Imagine that. The poor nomads of the desert. One of them stands up and says worship The One True God. Stop worshiping idols. Pay charity to the poor. Treat women kindly. Be good to your neighbors. You can marry up to four women (if you can treat them equally) but it is better to marry only one. Believe in all the previous prophets and take their example. Don't drink alcohol. Don't eat pork. Wash and keep clean. Fight against those that fight you. Is anything wrong with this?

So there you have it. Muhammad - the most popular name in the world. Meaning he praises. There was no one that ever lived that praised God more than the Prophet Muhammad. Ahmed (another of his names) meaning he is praised. There is no one more praised than the Prophet Muhammad, around the clock on a daily basis there is someone in the world saying "La ilah ha illal laah, Muhammad Rasoolahlah" (SAW) - There is no God but Allah. Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. (SAW = Sallallah hu Alalihi Wasallam) - May peace and blessings be upon him.

This is not something a human can achieve without it being decreed by God. Imagine organizing a book in your head because you cannot read or write, which is delivered piecemeal, that has to be coherent. That book is memorized by people today, cover to cover. Is there any religion where the people memorize their holy book off by heart other than Islam?

"When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood is by its nature bound to perish."
Surah Isra Chapter.17, Verse No.81

originally posted by: FallenHuman
Wow. Just plain wow. So much misinformation, who are you trying to fool? Yourself?

The information I provided is accurate. And I'm not trying to fool anyone, only educate others, even if they don't like it.

You mention God and the Devil as if you think they are on the same level.

Nope. Not even close. I never said any such thing.

No. Only God knows what will happen in the future.

No. The devil can see the future as well. This is well documented via encounters with the demonic in exorcisms as well as soothsayers. It is also in scripture. The devil wanted Jesus dead from the very beginning because the devil knew Jesus was going to save souls.

You say the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) invented a religion. Well let's look at what you claim.

It's not a 'claim'. It's a fact. Muhammad invented it. And he gave no proof of the truth of his words. In fact, what he said can easily be debunked. All he did was poorly retell stories he had heard from the other religions, and he tossed in some fun stuff for himself.

You do know that Jesus (AS) foretold of one to come after him right?

You do know that Jesus foretold that the Holy Spirit was to come after him, right? You do know that Muhammad isn't the Holy Spirit, right? Muhammad wasn't a foretold prophet. That's ridiculous. Muhammads stories contradict the eyewitness accounts told in sacred scripture ... and he mass murdered people and was a thief. That's not the behavior of a true man of God. Muhammad is the exact opposite of the spirit of truth.

The Qur'an was revealed not as a complete book, but in parts, verses or chapters.

The Qu'ran wasn't 'revealed'. It was invented by a caravan thief who mass murdered people. God doesn't talk to people like that. But the devil does.

a reply to: ketsuko

Your source misquoted the name of the compilation of ahadith (narrations)

It is actually Kitab (BOOK) "al-Ghaybah", compiled by Sheikh Tusi..

en.wikipedia.org...

This narration is found in almost every major book of Shi'ite ahadith..

في غيبة الشيخ الطوسي : عن أبي بصير ، قال : سمعت
أباعبدا لله يعني الإمام الصادق (ع) قال : ( من يضمن لي موت عبد الله أضمن له القائم . ثم قال: إذا مات عبد الله لم يجتمع الناس بعده على أحد ، ولم يتناهَ هذا الأمر دون صاحبكم أن شاء الله . ويذهب ملك السنين، ويصير ملك الشهور والأيام . فقلت : يطول ذلك ؟ قال : كلا . ( البحار : 52 / 210 ) غيبة الشيخ ص 286 وغيبة النعماني ص 147 والارشاد ص 339).

“Whoever guarantees for me the death of Abdullah, I will guarantee for him the Qa’im (Imam Mahdi). When Abdullah dies, the people will not unite after him under anyone, and this matter will not stop until the arrival of your Master (companion) inshallah. And the kingdom of years will be over, and it will become the kingdom of months and days. So I asked: Will that be prolonged? He said: No.”

— Narrateed Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (a) - Biharul Anwar, Vol. 52, p. 21; Ghaybah, al-Tusi, p. 286; Ghaybah, al-Numani, p. 147; al-Irshad, al-Mufeed, p. 339

It is also found in similar wording in sunni book: Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal

Actually, the wording you quoted in the OP, is the wording found in the Musnad Ahmad - the above mentioned Sunni compilation of ahadith..

It is believed to be true by the Muslims

a reply to: FallenHuman

The Devil is the Father of Lies. He knows enough to take what God knows and twist it out of true for use to his purpose. How much more convincing is a lie when it echoes the truth?

nvm

a reply to: FallenHuman

Do you believe the Quran is the word of God?

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: FallenHuman

Do you believe the Quran is the word of God?

Yes I do. Next question

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FallenHuman
Wow. Just plain wow. So much misinformation, who are you trying to fool? Yourself?

The information I provided is accurate. And I'm not trying to fool anyone, only educate others, even if they don't like it.

You mention God and the Devil as if you think they are on the same level.

Nope. Not even close. I never said any such thing.

No. Only God knows what will happen in the future.

No. The devil can see the future as well. This is well documented via encounters with the demonic in exorcisms as well as soothsayers. It is also in scripture. The devil wanted Jesus dead from the very beginning because the devil knew Jesus was going to save souls.

You say the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) invented a religion. Well let's look at what you claim.

It's not a 'claim'. It's a fact. Muhammad invented it. And he gave no proof of the truth of his words. In fact, what he said can easily be debunked. All he did was poorly retell stories he had heard from the other religions, and he tossed in some fun stuff for himself.

You do know that Jesus (AS) foretold of one to come after him right?

You do know that Jesus foretold that the Holy Spirit was to come after him, right? You do know that Muhammad isn't the Holy Spirit, right? Muhammad wasn't a foretold prophet. That's ridiculous. Muhammads stories contradict the eyewitness accounts told in sacred scripture ... and he mass murdered people and was a thief. That's not the behavior of a true man of God. Muhammad is the exact opposite of the spirit of truth.

The Qur'an was revealed not as a complete book, but in parts, verses or chapters.

The Qu'ran wasn't 'revealed'. It was invented by a caravan thief who mass murdered people. God doesn't talk to people like that. But the devil does.

Well, isn't it good that you're around to point people in the right direction. As always just more opinionated nonsense without really replying to what I wrote, because you cannot. If you claim that he invented a religion you gotta come up with more than that. Gosh.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
Isn't everyday full of Islamic doom porn on ATS? LoL!

ETA: dang! Andy already played my joke!

I love all the absolute BS that appears on this forum, but somehow discussing something that's very real and happening everyday, all around the world is considered "Islamic doom porn".

I hate to break it to you all, but Islamic armies are waging war all over the planet. Somehow I feel like you all would have a different attitude if it were white Christians rampaging around the world.

originally posted by: FallenHuman
As always just more opinionated nonsense without really replying to what I wrote, because you cannot.

I posted no 'opinion'. I replied perfectly to what you wrote ... with facts.
oh .. I did miss these

Muhammad ... the most popular name in the world. Is there any religion where the people memorize their holy book off by heart other than Islam?

SO WHAT? That doesnt validate Muhammad. It just means people are gullible or that they want so badly to believe in something that they'll latch on to anything, even unsubstantiated claims of visions. I could easily counter with the fact that there are 2 billion christians on the planet and only 1 billion muslims. So because there twice as many Christians does that mean that Christianity must be the correct religion? Of course not. Truth isn't a numbers game.

If you claim that he invented a religion you gotta come up with more than that.

Muhammad invented a religion. I don't have to come up with more than that. He gave absolutely no proof of his claims of divine visitation. NONE.

Since Muhammad didn't have any visions and wasn't a prophet of God, then any so called Islamic prophecy is not from God either. That means the so called prophecies are either totally made up by humans, or they are demonic in origin. And yes, the demonic can tell soothsayers the future. It's one of the ways that they lure people in.

a reply to: Dr0neT3k

Oh, the rampage that Islamist armies are on is very real. That no one will deny.

The part that gets a bit doom-pornish is the part where a tweenish child from hundreds of years ago will mystically re-appear and usher in the end times as a result of the that rampage ... oh and that Jesus will re-appear with him and bow to him and proclaim that Islam is the only way and turn on and slaughter his believers afterward.

That's the doom-pornish part.

Reality verges into the fantastic in a lot of these threads. It isn't beyond belief to think that Islamic radicals could engineer a nuclear takeover somewhere and cause death and destruction or that they could cause the downfall of the Saudi Kingdom. But when you start talking about people who realistically SHOULD have died hundreds of years ago coming back into the world and ushering in a new global Islamic kingdom in which all unbelievers will be destroyed?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FallenHuman
As always just more opinionated nonsense without really replying to what I wrote, because you cannot.

I posted no 'opinion'. I replied perfectly to what you wrote ... with facts.
oh .. I did miss these

Muhammad ... the most popular name in the world. Is there any religion where the people memorize their holy book off by heart other than Islam?

SO WHAT? That doesnt validate Muhammad. It just means people are gullible or that they want so badly to believe in something that they'll latch on to anything, even unsubstantiated claims of visions. I could easily counter with the fact that there are 2 billion christians on the planet and only 1 billion muslims. So because there twice as many Christians does that mean that Christianity must be the correct religion? Of course not. Truth isn't a numbers game.

Let me explain. Of those as you say 1 billion Muslims, many choose to call themselves or their children Muhammad. Most Christians don't choose to call their children Jesus. Why is that? Let's leave aside the fact that in the languages Jesus (AS) may have spoke (Hebrew or Aramaic) there is no J, so it's probably closer to the Arabic 'Isa'. So who are the gullible now? Most Christians don't even know that! If 'Isa' (AS) Jesus to the uninitiated was walking down the street and you called "Jesus, Jesus", he probably wouldn't even look round, perhaps he never even heard that name in his life!

If you claim that he invented a religion you gotta come up with more than that.

Muhammad invented a religion. I don't have to come up with more than that. He gave absolutely no proof of his claims of divine visitation. NONE.

The way you say he invented it, it's like you think inventing religions is something that's easily done. So do you think he invented it all at once or bit by bit, you know kinda made it up as he went along? I'm just curious. Whether you like it or not, he descended from Abraham. Did you? Who as you know through Ishmael would be 'made into a great nation'. Was from the Nobelist of his tribe, and was known to be truthful and trustworthy. Never sought the riches of this world although he could have. Even the people that were against him recognized his qualities. I wonder why you think that someone calling people to worship The One True God, would be allowed by God to just create his own religion and take such a prominent position in world history. By some accounts, the most influential and successful person that ever lived. Not even Jesus can claim that, in that he himself never said he came to the world, but to the House of Judah. He never called his religion Christianity, that came much later, and by all accounts Christians today follow the teachings of Paul more than Jesus!


Since Muhammad didn't have any visions and wasn't a prophet of God, then any so called Islamic prophecy is not from God either. That means the so called prophecies are either totally made up by humans, or they are demonic in origin. And yes, the demonic can tell soothsayers the future. It's one of the ways that they lure people in.

Another fail. You must not have heard of the saying True dreams/visions are 1/46 of prophet-hood. The reason, because for 6 months before he received the message, The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was seeing true dreams/visions. This equates to 1/46 of his 23 year prophet-hood.

By the way, demons don't usually implore people to worship God.

originally posted by: FallenHuman
Most Christians don't choose to call their children Jesus.

SO WHAT? What people call their kids doesn't validate or invalidate anything. That just goes to the belief that the parents hold ... not what is actual truth.

The way you say he invented it, it's like you think inventing religions is something that's easily done.

It's very easily done. Especially when dealing with uneducated bronze age peasants. And when you have a horde of sword wielding mercs killing those who disagree with you, inventing a religion gets a whole lot easier.

Whether you like it or not, he descended from Abraham.

Whether you like it or not, there is no proof of that. Not one bit. And there is no proof that Abraham even existed. Did Abraham Even Exist? . Oh .. and Abraham wasn't ever in Mecca and he didn't build the Kabbah. There is absolutely no way that there are 3,500 years of geneological records from the time that Abraham supposedly lived, until the time Muhammad was born. Not a single chance.

I wonder why you think that someone calling people to worship The One True God, would be allowed by God to just create his own religion and take such a prominent position in world history.

You mean like Christianity? By your reasoning Christianity would be the true religion because it has twice as many followers and God allowed it. Heck .. there are just as many Hindus as there are Muslims and Hinduism has been around for thousands of years longer than Islam. Why does God allow that if it's not the true religion? See? Your statement that God wouldn't allow it if it wasn't true ... it doesn't work.

The reason, because for 6 months before he received the message, The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was seeing true dreams/visions.

There is NO PROOF that Muhammad received any visions. None. He made claims but gave no proof of their validity.

By the way, demons don't usually implore people to worship God

By the way ... who says that the god of Muhammad is the 'one true god'?? Muhammad? Considering his 'god' told him stories that contradicted the God of the Jews and the God of the Christians ...

Bottom line - Islamic doom porn is fun for failure watch but, just like all the other 'prophecy' out there, there is nothing behind it.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Is this related?
Frontpagemagazine
Supposedly the Iranian government made a film predicting the rise of the Mahdi upon the death of Abdullah.

That was an interesting read. I have not been in Saudi for many years but the seeds of their own destruction have had a long time to take root, IMO. It would have probably already have happened if the west had not supplied them with the latest tec for spying and defense hardware. The Mullahs and their religious police are everywhere (and that is just the religious spying police) No telling how many other spies and undercover drones they have; to protect the few from the many ?

The Al-Monitor report appears fanciful until all of these pieces are put together. Once they are, it is easier to understand why the Iran-Hezbollah bloc is confident of victory.

“According to Shiites who believe in this [Al-Jafr] book, mainly Khamenei and Nasrallah, there is one possible explanation. The signs of reappearance of Mahdi are being successfully unveiled, and the Great War with Israel and the disbelievers is just around the corner,” writes the Lebanese reporter.

The Shiite Islamists’ End Times worldview does not necessarily result in recklessness. They do consider military strength and geopolitical realities, but the objectives of those calculations are to fulfill prophecy. Any policy debate that takes place among them is not about whether to pursue the war that summons the Mahdi, but how.

a reply to: FlyersFan

It's not a 'claim'. It's a fact. Muhammad invented it. And he gave no proof of the truth of his words. In fact, what he said can easily be debunked. All he did was poorly retell stories he had heard from the other religions, and he tossed in some fun stuff for himself.

You do know that Jesus foretold that the Holy Spirit was to come after him, right? You do know that Muhammad isn't the Holy Spirit, right? Muhammad wasn't a foretold prophet. That's ridiculous. Muhammads stories contradict the eyewitness accounts told in sacred scripture ... and he mass murdered people and was a thief. That's not the behavior of a true man of God. Muhammad is the exact opposite of the spirit of truth.

The Qu'ran wasn't 'revealed'. It was invented by a caravan thief who mass murdered people. God doesn't talk to people like that. But the devil does.

This is absolutely spot on, except you left out the part about him buggering little girls...


...and marrying his daughter-in-law...



...and sanctioning rape...


...and on and on.


The ultimate authenticity of the koran hangs on the word of a murderous pedophillic polygamist narcissist - islam demands the faithful affirm its god, AND its prophet.


When enough people have the courage to begin tugging at that string, it will all unravel.

originally posted by: Seamrog
a reply to: FlyersFan

It's not a 'claim'. It's a fact. Muhammad invented it. And he gave no proof of the truth of his words. In fact, what he said can easily be debunked. All he did was poorly retell stories he had heard from the other religions, and he tossed in some fun stuff for himself.

You do know that Jesus foretold that the Holy Spirit was to come after him, right? You do know that Muhammad isn't the Holy Spirit, right? Muhammad wasn't a foretold prophet. That's ridiculous. Muhammads stories contradict the eyewitness accounts told in sacred scripture ... and he mass murdered people and was a thief. That's not the behavior of a true man of God. Muhammad is the exact opposite of the spirit of truth.

The Qu'ran wasn't 'revealed'. It was invented by a caravan thief who mass murdered people. God doesn't talk to people like that. But the devil does.

This is absolutely spot on, except you left out the part about him buggering little girls...


...and marrying his daughter-in-law...



...and sanctioning rape...


...and on and on.


The ultimate authenticity of the koran hangs on the word of a murderous pedophillic polygamist narcissist - islam demands the faithful affirm its god, AND its prophet.


When enough people have the courage to begin tugging at that string, it will all unravel.

Sura Baqara

(22) And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Surah (chapter) like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (if there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.

(23) But if ye cannot and of a surety ye cannot then fear the Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, which is prepared for those who reject Faith.


So there you have it. You're so smart, it should be easy for you. The challenge was set over 1400 years ago and none have been able to complete it yet. Why don't you have FlyersFan have a go. Then you can disprove the whole religion. Well it's worth a shot at least right?

I paraphrase from memory...an article read yesterday or-so...

because of a Shia attention getter...that events will quickly unfold upon the death of king Abdullah of Saudi monarchy


Isa (Jesus to others) is coming directly/soon and the mission of Isa is to destroy the AntiChrist which is the USA et al...well just about everything not Islamic/Muslim is thought of as AC...
Isa will then hand over a USA/AC less world to the Mahdi etc...

a reply to: FallenHuman

What happened with those Satanic verses again? Wasn't that when the angel making the revelations to Muhammad came back and said, "Btw, we've been feeding you stuff from Satan, not Allah. Why couldn't you tell the difference?" That begs the question of if Satan was feeding Mo bad info once, what kept him from doing it other times? And did Allah himself ever directly speak to Mo or only the angel in which case ... Satan was an angel, too.

That account has always bothered me.

a reply to: St Udio

I think it more likely if the Islamic accounts mesh with the Biblical ones that Jesus comes through the clouds, removes the Saints, the US is destroyed along with others, and the world is handed over to the AC/Mahdi. The bad news for Isreal is that this does mean they will also be conquered or forced to confirm a treaty with the Mahdi, possibly after Ezekial war which may happen after the last of the Tetrad. It may be that Jordan holds firm enough to shelter the remnant who flee to Petra.

a reply to: ketsuko


I posted the following days ago in another thread...

President Ahmadinejad’s office in 2011 argued that Abdullah’s death will be a major prophetic sign signaling the “imminent reappearance of the Mahdi.”
.... a film titled “The Coming is Upon Us” and it teaches that the Islamic messiah named the Hidden Imam or as the Mahdi will soon arrive. (after 2011)
The film teaches that the death of Abdullah will be a fulfillment of prophecy that sets the stage for this last conflict. It even encourages his assassination, saying, “Whoever guarantees the death of King Abdullah in Saudi Arabia, I will guarantee the imminent reappearance of the Mahdi.” It is unclear what immediately follows his death according to this interpretation of Islamic prophecy, but the filmmakers are certain it is the trigger for huge events.
----------“The Coming is Upon Us” movie link to YT

 

originally posted by: St Udio

according to Hadiths made by various Imams... the reappearance of the Mahdi is closer than ever because the Mahdi returns after the King Abdullah of Arabia dies....

an Islamic military commander will also soon enter the saudi kingdom by way of the nation on the south border instead of the north border that is being secured with a 600 mile security ditch-fence protection zone....
oh yeah the invasion will be coming through Yemen to capture Mecca

our Muslim leaning oval-office-occupant has got a great deal of interest in this King transition, and he better be there pressing the Arab flesh because all hell is soon to break loose there on the largest sand desert in the world, way before BHO leaves the WH living quarters vacant

 

originally posted by: St Udio
yes the current and immediate threat was IS-ISIS-ISIL.. the military arm of the Caliphate, whatever the name is today
I reviewed the predictions concerning the death of the King Abdullah of the Saudi monarchy
several Hadiths were issued by different Imam(s)...but all agree that Abdullah death immediately precedes the coming of Mahdi
look through the YT under the movie title : .... a film titled “The Coming is Upon Us” and it teaches that the Islamic messiah named the Hidden Imam or as the Mahdi will soon arrive, after the death of Abdullah ~Hadith~
also in that 25 minute synopsis of the actual one-hour movie from Iran...several more Hadiths are told of the condition of the geopolitical scene at the coming-of-Mahdi

Hadith paraphrased: Yemen is the threshold (doorway) by which the Mahdi army uses for entry towards Mecca
Hadith paraphrased: Palestine will have a 'flag' with 'ALGHOYAH' on it

Hadith paraphrased: Arabia will be ruled by Bani Abass don't know if that is a King or a Sect or a military coup...

Hadith paraphrased: a leader 'Khorasani' comes to power & identified by a bum right hand/ 2nd leader 'Yamani'
......................... both leaders hand over the Islam Flag to Mahdi

Hadith paraphrased: 'Shoeib' will be the commander-in-chief- of Islam-Mahdi army ... that might mean that al Baghdadi
( Ibrahim) will be replaced ?

it seems that ISIS might change tactics and attack Arabia from Yemen rather than Kuwait or Iraq, if the Hadith is sound prediction.... so that reinforced 600 mile security zone on the Arabian northern border dissuaded ISIS-ISIL (but no cupie doll)

those are all recent posts (posted by StUdio) scattered throughout several threads, doom-porn away !



I want to load other doom porn in the very next post...

it, the doom porn is mostly western Christianity... but that qualifies as anti-Christ stuff according to Islam/Muslims