Ukraine crisis: Rockets 'kill 20' in Mariupol

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Except all of Eastern Ukraine that the rebels did not PREVENT from voting voted for the current pro EU/West government.

So you are flat out wrong.

Sure...

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

Abraham Lincoln

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Except all of Eastern Ukraine that the rebels did not PREVENT from voting voted for the current pro EU/West government.

So you are flat out wrong.

Sure...

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

Abraham Lincoln

So I catch you flat out lying and you post a quote that has nothing to do with the topic? Thought so.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Needing to call someone a liar to look convincible gives the opposite impression.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I would argue needing to lie to look "convincible" was the problem, not my calling you out on it. Then the fact you did not even dispute it is more or less the finishing blow.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

A big lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

- Adolph Hitler

You honestly expect people to believe any of the votes held by the rebels and the Russians were valid and fair? Those "votes" occurred because Russia lied about the events in those part of Ukraine. Luckily for Putin some members on this site will accept what he states at face value, even when its buried under facts that show otherwise.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Now needing Hitler to try and give your claims more power as there wasn`t a majority in both Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea to reject the coup installed government?...humorous.

originally posted by: stumason

At least 20 people have been killed and dozens injured in rocket attacks by pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine's government-held port of Mariupol, police there say.

Grad rockets hit a market in a residential eastern area, the police chief said.

The main eastern Ukraine rebel leader said an offensive against Mariupol had begun, RIA news agency reported.

Ukraine crisis: Rockets 'kill 20' in Mariupol

We often see from the pro-Russian crowd - the ones who say Russia didn't start the War and never invaded Ukraine - say that they are only defending the civilians from indiscriminate attack by Government forces - despite the fact rebels routinely use civilian area's to fire from - but what do they say about this?

The rebel commander has stated an offensive has begun, so no denial of the attack and that they have "no interest in peace talks".

Oh no 20 killed by Pro Russian Resistance in Ukraine! OH NO! Someone call UN quick!

F#ck you all! Thousands die in Donetsk and Lugansk, children and elderly bombed daily. What happens then? USA and EU give more military funding the the Ukrainian Nazi Bandera War Party.

This is why I left USA and got a citizenship in a different country, our country is a cancer of this world that is trying to start WW3 to get rid of our debt. Our greed got us to this stage and now we pointing fingers at Russia, mind you saying that ISIS members are the ones we trained to fight Sadam. The same guys we funded in Libya and Syria that are now causing us problems!

It is rather funny how us Americans scream genocide or crimes against humanity when 20 people get bombed. While 1000's already dead in Donetsk and Lugansk with the help of the military funding we provided to the Ukrainian Nazi Party.

* Stands up and begins to slowly clap.... Well done America well done! Now let's go look those 5 year old children who are now blind and without limbs in the eyes and pretend to be their saviors and heroes.

a reply to: OneManMasquerade

That post was one of the best examples of propaganda, misinformation and willful ignorance I have seen to date.

Bravo

Any chance you would like to support your post with, you know, facts and what not.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Like this ?

East Ukraine cities shelled from Smerch rocket launchers, over dozen killed

Around 150 people have been hospitalized over the past 24 hours as a result of shellings by Ukraine’s army formations, LPR health minister Larisa Ayrapetyan said

Source

Where`s the outrage now in Western media ?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

First, may I point you to this article about the Russian doctrine of maskirovka.. That sets the background.

Then there is this Website - made by Ukrainians - which seeks to dispel all the disinformation.

That same website here goes into great detail dispelling an RT report into Ukrainian Army shelling villages. As it turns out, from the investigation they carried out using information contained within the RT report itself, it shows the villages were actually being shelled by Pro-Russian forces despite claims they were shelled by Ukrainians. There are plenty of other stories - such as a child being crucified - being shown to be totally bogus and only reported to whip up support and to paint the enemy as "animals".

So forgive me if I don't believe a word of what "Russian media" says - they seem to be going to great lengths to create such confusion and tell outright lies just to mask what they are up too.

I highly doubt, however, you will even look at and read the links I posted, but I recommend you do so you can see just how much you're being led up the garden path by Moscow.

a reply to: stumason

I have told before FlopFake is the one side which is too full with propaganda it`s unreadable for me, things as BBC, The Guardian, Reuters, Der Spiegel, Dutch News, etc. are also full of it, but not to such an extend it becomes completely unreadable to me.

Just look at YouTube videos about what goes on over there and the reactions of the civilians say enough...it`s simply to big to be cover upped nowadays with media showing what is going on.

So no matter how many trolls the Ukraine is planning to spew out over the internet by their "Ministry of Thruth" and uses blogs to try to cover things up, for anyone who wants to see what is going on it`s there to watch.

I suggest you start watching the videos which actual show about what goes on (the stuff the West doesn`t want you to see)...

Here

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

You want me to watch Youtube as a credible source? Er, no.

Case in point - that website discusses some video's put on the net and they are even worse than the crap spouted by RT and TASS, such as showing images of children taking shelter, purporting to be from Ukrainian fire, when in actual fact they are Israeli children.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

You want me to watch Youtube as a credible source? Er, no.

Case in point - that website discusses some video's put on the net and they are even worse than the crap spouted by RT and TASS, such as showing images of children taking shelter, purporting to be from Ukrainian fire, when in actual fact they are Israeli children.

Don't ruin his beliefs in propaganda. it's amazing how people will believe anything if they want to logic goes out the window. You see this stories coming out like Ukraine shelling civilians and people want to believe it without even checking the facts. RT has been doing this from the beginning. And people fall for it because they want to believe.

a reply to: dragonridr

Thing is, civilians are being shelled but it would appear that in at least some of these cases it is pro-Russian (or even Russian forces, those are some big guns they have) are actually doing it and then trying to blame the Government forces.

For the record, I don't doubt shells land in places they're not meant to, mistakes happen and civilians die - that is war - but to deliberately target a village with 155mm (or equivalent) artillery pieces to frame your enemy is a war crime.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I never said there was an American fighting,

And yet you started a thread that says this and I quote...

Evidence of American mercenaries fighting in the Ukraine ?

Sure seems your implicating that here, or are you just using these headlines to get more views for your threads?

.you still haven`t found out what question marks are haven`t you?

And as I said before my punctuation isn't the topic of this or any thread, but hey why stick to actually discussing the topic as it seems your good at making claims that you obviously can't back up.

Yeah, it`s probably fake...everything coming from the "wrong side" is staged according to you...it must be one happy place in your mind with being on the best side of the World.

Did I say it was fake...NO, so don't put words in my mouth.

SO glad you know what I think...hell of a gift you have there too bad it is far from being right.

I can`t believe ATS is allowing the deliberate cover up of war crimes on it`s site.

How does it feel to be an accomplish to crimes by trying to obscure them from the public?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

have told before FlopFake is the one side which is too full with propaganda it`s unreadable for me, things as BBC, The Guardian, Reuters, Der Spiegel, Dutch News, etc. are also full of it, but not to such an extend it becomes completely unreadable to me.

But they are good enough for you to use when they are backing your claims...and you do know the Gallup poll you use is from the West.

And yet you think Russian media is the only truth about UKraine even when they have been found lying and even fabricating stories that are blatantly false, but hey what does actual research matter when you them to tell you what you want to hear.

As for stopfake...prove what they say is wrong, i bet you can't.

So no matter how many trolls the Ukraine is planning to spew out over the internet by their "Ministry of Thruth" and uses blogs to try to cover things up, for anyone who wants to see what is going on it`s there to watch.

Unlike Russia who just blatantly lies and you lap it up like a hungry dog. Case in point this report about UN helicopters in UKraine that they said was true, but when any research was done the helicopter they say is in Ukraine was actually in Africa, but of course it is true because Russian media says it is.

Should I go on, because there are many more reports they made that were false and a lie.

I suggest you start watching the videos which actual show about what goes on (the stuff the West doesn`t want you to see)..

I'm sorry, but this source has shown to be lying about what his videos are, so exactly what makes this source the truth maker you think he is?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

As for stopfake...prove what they say is wrong, i bet you can't

If it works like Western media works, and as shills found on the internet, it simply leaves out important stuff to paint a whole different picture of what is going on...lying is also deliberately not telling everything you know about what goes on.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

If it works like Western media works, and as shills found on the internet, it simply leaves out important stuff to paint a whole different picture of what is going on...lying is also deliberately not telling everything you know about what goes on.

Something Russian media knows all about as they have done it consistently through out this whole conflict.

And it started with Crimea. Or did you forget Putin was caught lying and only when he did was he forced to come out and admit his lie.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

If it works like Western media works, and as shills found on the internet, it simply leaves out important stuff to paint a whole different picture of what is going on...lying is also deliberately not telling everything you know about what goes on.

Something Russian media knows all about as they have done it consistently through out this whole conflict.

And it started with Crimea. Or did you forget Putin was caught lying and only when he did was he forced to come out and admit his lie.

...and that somehow doesn`t make certain things which are happening true ?