Possible Future Drug Makes 8 Hours Seem Like 1000 Years!

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

So here's the downfall I see...How much more intelligent would a person who's had 1,000 years to think, learn, and scheme? My guess is with that much simulated time that an individual will have so much time to think that they'll surpass our intelligence in no time. It's how we always talk about alien civs that would be so far past us in technology because of the head start they could have.

There are some questions I have regarding this

1) If I give a person this drug and they are sitting in a chair, does time just slow down for them and they are sitting in this chair for 1000 years in their mind? in their mind do they just take one breath every 10 years? the environment isn't going to scale to their speed...so they can't move, it would take 20 years of effort to blink an eye. This makes no sense, it would basically be paralysis with the mind still going at full speed...right?

2) If you were going to put them in some type of VR...how would that scale to their mind's speed? how would it be monitored...if they are living 1000 years in 8 hours, then that's 2 years a minute....what type of VR would be required to keep up with this? How would we control this environment?


I personally think that if Einstein was given 1000 years to think, he could do alot...but unfortunately there would be no way to empirically test anything, interact with anybody or improve any type of technology since it's all just a VR. He'd come up with some great thoughts I guess with no way to validate anything.

As far as punishing people with this technology, that is such a base human reaction. There is no punishment or rehabilitation in our legal system...it is just a way to keep people who don't do the right things to keep our society healthy segregated. Making someone think about what they did for 1000 years isn't going to change the fact that they are essentially bad people....are you going to let a child rapist out of jail because he just served a 2000 year life sentence in his head? no way....

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: Kuroodo

originally posted by: James1982
This is psychological torture and any sane person would be against it. Prison is supposed to accomplish two things: Protect society from dangerous people, and rehabilitate people so they can reintegrate into society. This does neither, and in fact in counterproductive. What is the point of having a person serve 1,000 years in 8 hours, just to release them into society an entirely broken human being? Are they TRYING to encourage the inmates to break with reality and harm people once released? This is totally absurd.

If someone did something so bad you think they deserve to serve a 1,000 year sentence then grow a pair and just execute them with a firing squad. I'll never understand these types that think they are being progressive and civilized by figuring out new ways to torture people.

Oh yes, we'd be MUCH better off with women running things. This woman is a shining example that sick people come in all genital configurations and instead of fighting against the opposite sex we need to fight against maniacs like this sorry excuse for a skin sack. Not to mention the author who writes the article in such a light manner, it's all incredibly disturbing and the fact that the disturbing nature isn't commented on makes it even more so. Seriously, humans, what are we doing? Why not just start sticking garden hoses with barbed wire up people's butts, since suddenly horrific torture of prisoners is such a light subject.

I think she should be the first person to test it.

The arrogance of modern peoples to think those in older times were more barbaric. Crucifixion is more humane than what this bozo woman is suggesting.

Actually, if someone commits a crime like murder and there is no valid reason as to why they murdered (survival, self defense, etc) then they should be punished. Don't execute them because then you're giving them a way out and is kinda like forgiving them.

Instead they should suffer for taking away a life for no reason. That Is a life that, that person will never have back. You should lose your life for taking a life for no reason. But lose as in be punished.

The drug is a perfect way to punish those that commit such crimes.

The only problem I see here though is that it will be abused and used on people who have committed small crimes or crimes that aren't as big as murder.

Wtf!!????

Mods really!!??

So it is ok to kill someone by cutting them thousands of times then pouring lemon juice on the wounds then cauterizing the wounds while giving them blood transfusions and drugs to keep them awake?

Because they killed someone?

Lions kill gazelles all the time, they deserve this?

I was thinking more like keeping them in a dark room for the rest of their life never to see the light again, or see anyone again (they will still be fed after being sedated though). Maybe force some of them to labor just to make em useful.

Also about the gazelle part...I stated that it's only if the life is taken without valid purpose. Survival and self defense count as valid purposes.


But even if they do use the drug on them, murderers shouldn't be let out because they don't deserve a life for taking away a life. Pedos, rapists, and other such criminals can be let out after the drug yeah (after psychological evaluation). If they continue to commit more crimes, then force em to labor for a long time, and have those that continue to commit horribly and or disgusting crimes spend time in the dark for a long time.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

My God! What if they slip this into injections.

Maybe a nightmare but maybe awesome,
one would have the feeling of being
immortal.

I completely agree with you that even considering
this for an application against criminals is
totally ridiculous.

And how are they going to be, after they get out of prison
in 9 hours after perceiving they were there for 1,000 years.

I certainly wouldn't want them on the streets, I'd think
they'd be absolutely psychopathically insane.

Rebel 5

Then in eight hours you create someone who's mind isn't right anymore. Think of the ramifications. It's endless!

Damn sounds a little "A Clockwork Orange"
Doesn't sound like a great idea

originally posted by: Kuroodo

originally posted by: James1982
This is psychological torture and any sane person would be against it. Prison is supposed to accomplish two things: Protect society from dangerous people, and rehabilitate people so they can reintegrate into society. This does neither, and in fact in counterproductive. What is the point of having a person serve 1,000 years in 8 hours, just to release them into society an entirely broken human being? Are they TRYING to encourage the inmates to break with reality and harm people once released? This is totally absurd.

If someone did something so bad you think they deserve to serve a 1,000 year sentence then grow a pair and just execute them with a firing squad. I'll never understand these types that think they are being progressive and civilized by figuring out new ways to torture people.

Oh yes, we'd be MUCH better off with women running things. This woman is a shining example that sick people come in all genital configurations and instead of fighting against the opposite sex we need to fight against maniacs like this sorry excuse for a skin sack. Not to mention the author who writes the article in such a light manner, it's all incredibly disturbing and the fact that the disturbing nature isn't commented on makes it even more so. Seriously, humans, what are we doing? Why not just start sticking garden hoses with barbed wire up people's butts, since suddenly horrific torture of prisoners is such a light subject.

I think she should be the first person to test it.

The arrogance of modern peoples to think those in older times were more barbaric. Crucifixion is more humane than what this bozo woman is suggesting.

Actually, if someone commits a crime like murder and there is no valid reason as to why they murdered (survival, self defense, etc) then they should be punished. Don't execute them because then you're giving them a way out and is kinda like forgiving them.

Instead they should suffer for taking away a life for no reason. That Is a life that, that person will never have back. You should lose your life for taking a life for no reason. But lose as in be punished.

The drug is a perfect way to punish those that commit such crimes.

The only problem I see here though is that it will be abused and used on people who have committed small crimes or crimes that aren't as big as murder.

Hopefully you'll never find yourself wrongfully convicted of a heinous crime. It's easier than you think with only a stroke of bad luck and an overzealous, thoughtless prosecutor (the majority of them)

The justice system is not supposed to be about punishment, it is supposed to be about safety and rehabilitation. If punishment is the goal then why have a justice system at all? Why not just let vigilante justice take its course all the time? Eastern European blood feuds are so much fun, you know.

I have deep desire to inflict unimaginable pain and suffering on people that harm others for no reason, but I also have a deep desire to see a better world in the future, and acting out my primal urges is not a way to accomplish that. Having the state carry out those primal urges isn't any better.

I have only briefly skipped through the thread and not really digested any ongoing discussions.

but i would say that sounds like a poor mans immortality machine

Sounds good to me lol

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a reply to: Answer

Imagine what Einstein could have done with 1000 years... or Stephen Hawking... or Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Probably what the OP meant, the prison experience would be like the "Zeta Reticuli Incident"
The physics of Einstein's paradox twin imprisoned in a capsule traveling close to the speed of light.
All they could do is watch Earth evolve at an insane pace.

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It sounds grate, I would get in trouble just to have the experience.
I wonder if you would be able to retain information faster.
How long would it take to read a book? Would you come out of it with
a 1000 years of mental experience?
Imagine being able to philosophies for 1000 years.

Does it make your brain work faster?
It would seem that it has grate potential to provide the user with a grate amount of wisdom.

a reply to: and14263

I don't think any great thinkers would go anywhere near that lol.

Sounds a whole lot like cruel and unusual punishment to me.....

They are not developing the technology, they're only considering how aspects of technology in the future can be used.

To me, the term "1000 years in 8 hours" was used to illustrate what could be done - not an actual suggestion for sentence length.

I understand some folks have strong feelings on how certain types of crime should be punished, if certain types of criminals can be rehabilitated, etc..

Those feelings aside..

If the drugged environment was a jail cell (with standard amenities), and the sentence length was standard - I think the method would save an incredible amount of money that could be used with a much more positive effect elsewhere.

So if I'm convicted for overdue parking tickets and my sentence is "2 weekends in county" - if that's served mentally in the span of an hour, who cares - as long as I experienced the sentence pass and learned the intended lesson (I'm not going to want to sit in a virtual jail cell for what feels like another 2 weekends - so I'm going to do a better job of parking).

That would save 12 meals, the cost to provide the cell, the cost of water, linen, soap, climate control (etc), the cost to pay trained personal to watch me for 96 hours and so on.. To me, the method makes a lot of sense, assuming the bounds of reason.

A life sentence (or more) translates to "death by us housing you for the rest of your life" - which doesn't make a lot of sense to begin with. A virtual life sentence also wouldn't make sense - You'd have to adjust the length of sentence to match the presumed life span, or have them spend their life sentence(s) over the course of an hour, then euthanize them. The non-desirability of euthanization creates life sentences.

I also think the idea would greatly benefit education. A poster stated Einstein wouldn't have any new ideas given the natural limit of his brain. I understand the limit part but disagree on new ideas, because knowledge is compounding; it can grow on itself.

Additionally the discovery process while proving a hypothesis would be greatly shortened. For instance we could accurately simulate interstellar travel... Imagine if you could watch a diamond grow...

I'd like to see more thought put into the science of time distortion.

What if this is happening to you right now? What if you are living in series of life-dreams, one life after another until your jailer has decided you've lived enough times and gotten things "right"?

Perhaps somewhere in a lab you are strapped to a table and scientists are watching your life as you live it. Suddenly you begin to wake up and you see the fuzzy images of doctors with face masks looking down at you with concern, suddenly you wake back up into what you think is your normal life...

originally posted by: MysterX

They also had a version of this time expansion technology in a Star Trek Voyager episode, where a convict is sentenced to a certain amount of time, say 50 years, and this is served in about a day in real time.

A better example that more people might be familiar with is the DS9 episode Hard Time, where Miles O'Brien is accused of espionage & undergoes a 20 year prison sentence over just hours. I thought that it was a good episode, personally, as it explored both sides of the punishment.

Making people experience decades of a prison sentence might actually be a good thing, depending on the person. Some people have been known to turn around completely & become model citizens bent on enjoying life & avoiding ever being sentenced to another term behind bars. I think a lot more needs to go into the psychological recovery period aspect to make sure that's a common outcome, rather than a rare one. I wouldn't say we're anywhere near ready for this to be implemented full-scale yet, though.


Edit: Ratcals beat me to it on this DS9 episode, lol. Kudos, Ratcals, that's what I get for not reading the whole thread before posting.

Just implant or remove unwanted thoughts in criminals, so they become good citizens.

Just remove the memory of crime and insert the memory of being a moral human.
So if you break the law you just become mind controlled into becoming a more moral person. So no suffering needed.

As to using this 1000 year sentence on criminals I think it should not be done as to me at face value of how the article described it and suggested a computer virtual prison to put you in while you served your immortal sentence, its to be considered torture in my opinion.

I consider torturers and child abusers to both be equal criminals in my opinion, dont become the thing you dispise, dont stoop to the same level of evil as those who commit evils as it means your no better than a criminal yourself and need mental help.

If you murder a murderer your just as evil. . .
If you rape a rapist your just as evil. . .
If you kill a killer your just as evil. . .
If you torture someone who tortures your just as evil. . .
If you condone crimes against humanity its like your on board with the crime being done in itself which is just as evil as being a criminal, its criminal minded.
When people think others got what they deserved when terrible suffering is projected onto others its just as evil as being a criminal, because its supporting evil and criminal behavior.
Two wrongs dont make anything right.
Wishing evil on others doesnt make you good, it makes you evil.




Now I personally believe this technology should only be used for lucid dreaming technology to allow people to create worlds within thier own minds which seem to last an eternity.

Just think of stimulating the bliss/pleasure portion of the brain while in this 1000 year state, so your in bliss for 1000 years while you create your own world in a lucid dream.

To create ones own physics and live out ones various fantasies in thier own self created worlds every night living out 1000 years in your own world.
Then spending the rest of your waking time doing your normal 9-5 in the normal real world just to go for another 1000 years of lucid experiences the next evening.

The possibilities are truly endless as ideas can be recorded from your dreams and saved should you want them to be.

It would be true exponential growth beyond anything humans on earth have done within the last 500 years.

Of course one could get lost in ones dreams and forget your even dreaming, so there should be a way to remind the dreamer that its just a dream just in case one forgot.

originally posted by: AndyKowalski

Lol what does the picture represent? Criminals become super intelligent after gaining thousands of years of time to contemplate thier existance, who knows they may gain psychic abilities. . . .

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

super- intelligent at best, psyched blank at worst; if one uses the grey matter a life time for what it was meant for in first place, er Thinking, who could estimate the outcome? needless to say that this *creature comes free after only 8h while the judges just finished their coffee. Brilliant. Dr Roache claims the prison sentence of serious criminals could be made worse by extending their lives. Extending their lives by sending them on a slo mo drive through Alice in WonderLand for a third of a day; sounds like a well thought over plan to give the bastards criminal arses a good spanking ...haha

originally posted by: AndyKowalski
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

super- intelligent at best, psyched blank at worst; if one uses the grey matter a life time for what it was meant for in first place, er Thinking, who could estimate the outcome? needless to say that this *creature comes free after only 8h while the judges just finished their coffee. Brilliant. Dr Roache claims the prison sentence of serious criminals could be made worse by extending their lives. Extending their lives by sending them on a slo mo drive through Alice in WonderLand for a third of a day; sounds like a well thought over plan to give the bastards criminal arses a good spanking ...haha

What they are talking about is torture, which in my opinion is criminal.

I think this tech could have countless advantages with controlled lucid dreaming. . . .

I think the whole punish criminals thing is wrong, rehabilitate is right, use mind control and there are no more criminals just good moral citizens.

So you can think 1000 times faster than ever one else!!
sounds good.
could it turn you into a Flash?