Police union to state lawmakers: Don't mess with no-knock warrants

State Senator for the State of Georgia, Vincent Fort is planning to introduce a bill that would make it harder to get warrants for no knock raids.

Fort says he was moved to introduce his bill after 19-month-old Bounkham "Bou Bou" Phonesavanh was seriously injured when a flash grenade exploded near his face during a botched drug raid involving a no-knock warrant in Habersham County.

He is unsurprisingly facing opposition from the police union. Retired Atlanta police officer and current union rep for the International Brotherhood of Police Officers comments,

"You have to draw the line between your right as a citizen to privacy and a community's right to live in a crime-free environment. You can't have them both,"

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I believe no knock warrants to be a dangerous practice in much need of restrictions. Too often we see the wrong locations being raided, leading to the death of an innocent and no charges for those involved. So perhaps restrictions could help prevent such tragedies in the future.

Communities don't have rights. Citizens do. Seems like the easiest argument to win ever.

originally posted by: FraggleRock
He is unsurprisingly facing opposition from the police union. Retired Atlanta police officer and current union rep for the International Brotherhood of Police Officers comments,

"You have to draw the line between your right as a citizen to privacy and a community's right to live in a crime-free environment. You can't have them both,"

That Union Cop sounds like a Fascist Pig. One thing is for sure however and that is he is a Liar. That or he's just incredibly stupid and full of sh*t.

This isn't about your "right to privacy". It's about your "right to safety and security" in your own home. It's called the 4th Amendment.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That 19 month old baby who had the flash bang thrown next to his face when they raided the wrong house isn't a matter of stepping on his privacy, it's the fact that they almost killed an innocent baby. Which by the way the family is now totally on the hook for the medical bills for it too.

So to be clear. Wrong house, innocent baby injured, no accountability on the part of the cops, innocent family now left to pay for it all. Yeah, sounds like this is a simple issue with privacy.

a reply to: FraggleRock

Lol...there has never and will never be a single " crime free" place on earth.

Especially in the west...specifically america where there are so many laws it is all but impossible not to break several daily without even knowing it.

This is not to mention how often "the wrong house" happens. It is pure laziness.

In Indianapolis there were many instances if the wrong house. Several innocent people were killed.

They passed a law that makes so if you shoot the police in a wrong house raid the police are responsible and the occupant can't be charged.

Magically wrong house raids have stopped all but completely.

originally posted by: infinityorder
a reply to: FraggleRock



They passed a law that makes so if you shoot the police in a wrong house raid the police are responsible and the occupant can't be charged.

Magically wrong house raids have stopped all but completely.

They actually passed a law about that?!? Seems as stupid as pasing a law like if you stick your hand in fire you shall be penalized by damage to your flesh and bone.
I'm still scratching my head.
An intruder in our houses willbe treated as such and we don't care about a tin star on your chest.

No knock raids for drugs is stupidest idea ever. All they have to do is wait for them to leave the house to bust them. Raiding the wrong house shows how incompetent police department are. The only time no knock raids should be used is if someone life is in danger.

originally posted by: Echo007
The only time no knock raids should be used is if someone life is in danger.

This would be one of the restrictions, sort of.

Bou-Bou's law, named after Bou-Bou Phonesavanh, the toddler who was severely injured during a botched no-knock drug raid, would require that police show someone's life would be in danger, or evidence could be destroyed without a no-knock warrant.

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The bill would also create penalties for officer and agencies that lie to judges to obtain a no knock warrant. Other ideas include banning no-knocks between the hours of 10 p.m. and 6 a.m.

Though I'm sure everything is subject to change since nothing is final that I can find.

Sounds like fear drove the police to do these crazy no-knock raids especially after hours. Of course it's obviously safer. But what happened to stakeouts? Sit there for a few days...make sure these people are the actual suspects. Any sign of a child living in the house the raid should be called off and a new strategy developed. If only intelligent people were employed in both the government and police force...

No knock raids transfer the risk from the officers to the citizens.

If someone is not willing to accept the risks that come with the job of being an officer then they shouldn't be one.

originally posted by: CraftBuilder
No knock raids transfer the risk from the officers to the citizens.

If someone is not willing to accept the risks that come with the job of being an officer then they shouldn't be one.

Imagine if our soldiers operated under such a ROE\RUF.....we would just depopulate places enmass...wtf kind of way is this to operate?

a reply to: FraggleRock

International Brotherhood of Police Officers

wow...that sounds almost...cultish....a brotherhood ???

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly

wow...that sounds almost...cultish....a brotherhood ???

I think a Gang would be more appropriate. They are the worlds largest Street Gang. They even call themselves that sometimes as well. That's one of the problems we have today is that there are a lot of cops who now protect and serve "The Brotherhood" rather than the populace like they are supposed to be doing. It's all "Us or Them" mentality created from fear or the desire to dominate others. The fact they are paid for by us is just the icing on the cake.

a reply to: mOjOm

That's one of the problems we have today is that there are a lot of cops who now protect and serve "The Brotherhood"

I guess that's unavoidable. It's a system like so many others in our society that has grown to a point where it becomes primarily self serving. Individual units in the system are primarily working on their own survival. To protect and serve our own asses.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Like someone else said earlier, they choose that job, they know the risk and if they can't hack it they don't have to have the job. They've transferred the danger of the job over to the innocent citizens they are supposed to be protecting which is BS.

Think about it, somebody is getting killed for no reason by dangerous and mismanaged police. That's negligent homicide plain and simple. No different that if it was a truck driver falling asleep at the wheel or crane operator dropping some cargo on someone. It's their screw up that got innocent people killed while on the job. This time it was a child sleeping and now is all burned up costing 100's of thousands of dollars to the family. Any cop involved in something like that should be off the force right then. In fact they should feel like such a POS they'd quit out of disgrace. Not many bother though because the whole mentality has changed.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: FraggleRock

International Brotherhood of Police Officers

wow...that sounds almost...cultish....a brotherhood ???

Seriously? Guess you better watch those electricians. And boilermakers. And magicians.

Since they all have brotherhoods and such.

When civil service unions start acting like trade unions, they should be decertified, like PATCO was.

Stick to negotiating for decent work hours and wages.

a reply to: Bedlam

Completely agree. Hours, wages, benefits and so on are all fair game.

Stretching the definition of "workplace safety" to include campaigning for laws that allow the "safety" to be shifted away from citizens boggles my mind.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: FraggleRock

International Brotherhood of Police Officers

wow...that sounds almost...cultish....a brotherhood ???

Seriously? Guess you better watch those electricians. And boilermakers. And magicians.

Since they all have brotherhoods and such.

nowhere have I seen the designation "brotherhood"...except for the Muslim Brotherhood...and that one rubs me the wrong way.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: FraggleRock

International Brotherhood of Police Officers

wow...that sounds almost...cultish....a brotherhood ???

Seriously? Guess you better watch those electricians. And boilermakers. And magicians.

Since they all have brotherhoods and such.

nowhere have I seen the designation "brotherhood"...except for the Muslim Brotherhood...and that one rubs me the wrong way.

Do an ounce of research then. IBEW - founded 1891; IBOT - 1901; IBM - 1922; IBOB - 1888.

All of which predate the Muslim Brotherhood. "Brotherhood" is a pretty common term with unions.

Knowledge and such

Did that guy say give up your freedom of privacy or they can't/won't protect Americans?

Americans!! Sick that fascist pig!