GOP rep.: Keep minimum wage low ‘for minorities’ who aren’t worth more than $7 an hour

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

If you had half the brain you believe you have you would see that talking about food prices and how much a dollar can buy or even going out and spending money is not at all realitive to the need washingtown and wallstreet has to create some sense of financial security for america and just maybe the numbers do not reflect peoples day to day needs as much as it fits the needs of the corporate machine.

Like i said in the first place if you have a need for a study that shows 47.5% of ats members are aliens and you have some money to give me i will get you that study done and i will even leave a paper trail behind me that draws you away from the reality that aliens are not proven. For a bit more money i can run this study around the world and have much of the population believing by visiting this site they are communicating with aliens.

It is just the basic principle of supply and demand.

a reply to: deadeyedick
It is just the basic principle of supply and demand.

So once again you have nothing to back up your bluster and banality.

And just to clue you in, if there was rampant inflation it would manifest in demand economics which it has not.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: neo96
I wonder what minimum wage would be if EMPLOYERS where not paying half of employees ss, and and medicare contributions.

All of the employees workmans comp, and unemployment insurance.

They would exactly the same, only difference would be that the employer would stick the rest in his/her pocket.

Read up on this guy.

Particulary On the Principles of Political Economy and Taxation

And the Law of diminishing returns.

en.wikipedia.org...

For example, consider a simple farm that has two inputs: labor and land. Suppose the farm has 100 hectares of land and one worker (the labor input). This land-labor combination produces some level of output. If the amount of land is increased, and the amount of labor stays the same, the worker will have to give less attention to each acre of land (provided that nothing else changes). So, output may increase, though the additional (marginal) output from adding an acre of land may decrease.

If more and more land is added that must be tended by this one worker, there will eventually be so much land that output starts to decrease as the worker becomes overwhelmed (that is, less labor time, on average, is devoted to each acre). This is the typical stylized result of increasing one productive input while holding the others constant (versus increasing all inputs, generating economies of scale)

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Land owner=Business owner.

Just for snips and giggles:

More on Ricardo.

On the principals of political economy and taxation

. The fundamental groundwork of the Principles is based on the theory that given free competition in trade, the exchange value of commodities will be determined by the amount of labour expended in production. This thesis was reinforced by Ricardo’s theory of distribution in which he argued that the demand for food determines the margin of cultivation; this margin determines rent; the amount necessary to maintain the labourer determines wages; the difference between the amount produced by a given quantity of labour determines profit.

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Goes for around $70 grand US dollars.

Seems to me the guy knows what he is talking about.

AKA FREE MARKET principals.

Government dictation of wage is the antithesis of what free market is suppose to mean.

He`s so out of touch with the reality of todays job market.
Paying a low minimum wage to unskilled workers who then gain experience and move up to better paying jobs is great when there are better paying jobs, but the problem now is that there are so few better paying jobs that people are stuck in minimum wage jobs.

To use his ladder metaphor the middle rungs of the ladder have been moved so far apart that a lot of people are stuck on the bottom rungs. the people at the bottom who are waiting for better jobs need to eat and pay bills just like the rest of us.
if you can`t afford to pay your workers a living wage then you can`t afford to be in business and you should just close up shop.

a reply to: Tardacus

How many people work for you?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: onequestion
I forgot to mention that every job you do for a team or company is only 1 cog in the wheel of jobs that need to be done in order for the company to continue to profit. In this way every job is as essential as the other in order for the system to work. So cleaning toilets may not be worth jack # but that persons time is worth enough in order for that guy to enjoy quality time with his family and afford basic living costs with a little extra spending for quality of life.

As it is obvious you have never owned a business I can say that not all jobs are equal and some are more skilled or specialized, and therefore more important, than others. The CNC operator makes the manufacturing plant money, the janitor cleaning the toilets does not. One is a net contributor the other is not. A CNC operator is a skilled, in demand job, a janitor can be found quite easily.

Really?

I remember contemplating that very assertion years ago when, during contract negotiations, my employer made the same argument and while I do realize that different qualifications are required in order to fulfill different positions within the workforce, every position is crucial to the overall performance of the company.

Anyway, It wasn't hard to come to the conclusion that every person contributing to the overall performance of the company is important and should be compensated fairly.

If something doesn't need to be done, then don't hire someone to do it and just because you may view picking vegetables and/or cleaning toilets, etc., as menial work without real value or merit, doesn't make it so.

Here's a short parable that comes to mind regarding this very issue, enjoy.

The Boss

When the body was first made, all the parts wanted to be Boss....
The brain said. "I should be Boss because I control the whole body's responses and functions." The feet said, "We should be Boss as we carry the brain about and get him to where he wants to go." the hand said, "We should be the Boss because we do all the work and earn all the money."

And so it went on and on with the heart, the lungs and the eyes, until finally the asshole spoke up. All the parts laughed at the idea of asshole being the Boss. So the asshole went on strike, blocked itself up and refused to work. Within a short time, the eyes became crossed, the hands clenched, the feet twitched, the heart and lungs began to panic and the brain fevered. Eventually, they all decided that the asshole should be the Boss, so the motion was passed. All the others parts did all the work while the Boss just sat and passed out the #.

Moral of the story.....
You don't need brains to be a Boss....any asshole will do!

I'm sure Tom McClintock has since backpedalled and clarified that he meant that only minorities should be paid minimum wage and not unskilled workers

For all of you unfortunate enough to not have taken a basic economics class, watch this video of renowned black economist Walter Williams dropping knowledge on the negative effects of minimum wage and its racist origins. The minimum wage part starts at about five minutes.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: neo96
I wonder what minimum wage would be if EMPLOYERS where not paying half of employees ss, and and medicare contributions.

All of the employees workmans comp, and unemployment insurance.

They would exactly the same, only difference would be that the employer would stick the rest in his/her pocket.

Man, if we didn't have all that to pay, I really think the wages would go up in a lot of places. The better you pay your employees the more retention you get and the better moral and more work and higher quality work they do. It's always been like that.

You think so huh?

For starters, if the employer doesn't pay his/her percentage of S.S. & Medicare, then the employee will be paying the whole amount for those benefits and whether or not you give him/her a raise to equal what the employer was contributing, at best it's a break even scenario for the employee. At worst, no raise is awarded and the employee just pays it all.

Secondly, if your company is not paying for workman's comp. insurance and someone gets hurt on the job, who do you think should pay? What are you going to do when that employee sues the pants off the company for lost earnings or unsafe work environment etc.? Are you gonna file for bankruptcy and disregard these liabilities? Or, are you just gonna keep advocating for more Tort reform to negate worker's rights and avoid getting sued in the first place?

IMO, minimum wages that don't equate to "Living Wages" are nothing more than corporate welfare. Anytime that someone can't live on what they earn, society picks up the tab and why the hell should I be paying for any part of what it takes to sustain your employee?

If your gonna hire him, pay him a living wage. Otherwise, don't hire them in the first place because all you're really doing is expanding your workforce on my dime.

a reply to: Flatfish

The market dictates wages, and benefits.

Not the GD state.

Hell that is so GD funny its surreal.

Them GD evil employers!

They should pay people more so they can go out, and buy more stuff!!!

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
He was not saying that people are only worth $7 an hour. He was saying that the job that needed doing was only worth $7 an hour and those jobs will be eliminated.

Good!! Eliminate them!!

Seven dollar and hour wages are nothing more than a social drain to begin with. If the job ain't worth doing, don't hire someone to do it.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Flatfish

The market dictates wages, and benefits.

Not the GD state.

Hell that is so GD funny its surreal.

Them GD evil employers!

They should pay people more so they can go out, and buy more stuff!!!

Then tell the evil employers to get their employees off of social welfare!!

When employers fail to pay a living wage of their own free will, they make it the business of the state!!

Tell me again, how many employees does Walmart have that are on some form of welfare? While how many is it, 6 Waltons, possess more wealth than what percentage of the rest of the population? Talk about some B.S.!

I've probably negotiated more labor contracts than you are years old and I don't need you to tell me what it takes to get a employer to devote more resources to the workforce.

I heard him speak before he ever was elected to any position. He was scary back then. I didn't think he had a prayer of ever getting elected. Sadly, I was wrong.

a reply to: Flatfish

The only thing I will tell those employees is to get a second job.

Then find one that pays more.

Like millions of Americans have long since done including myself.

Enough of the GD social engineering already.

Enough trying to change the environment to suit the individual. As we all know people have the ability to adapt.

You are not doing any favors for your fellow man.

In fact it's reverse darwinism.

Aka as anti-evolution.

My grandmother is so old she thinks immigration reform
is about the Polish people taking all the canning jobs.

It is said to make a living wage for the suicide net at break employees of companies like apple would increase the price of a phone by two or three dollars...
Which would prolly be cheaper then the nets they put out to catch people so they don't land on the boss' rolls and panzaraties...

BTW, why don't we pay the politicians what they are worth...?
oh yeah, riecht, silly me....they would owe us

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Flatfish

The only thing I will tell those employees is to get a second job.

Then find one that pays more.

Like millions of Americans have long since done including myself.

Enough of the GD social engineering already.

Enough trying to change the environment to suit the individual. As we all know people have the ability to adapt.

You are not doing any favors for your fellow man.

In fact it's reverse darwinism.

Aka as anti-evolution.

And while you're at it, why don't you say the same thing to the Uber rich at the top of the pay scale who are constantly whining about paying the taxes levied on their earnings....Get another job!!! One that doesn't pay so much and then you won't have to pay those damn taxes. After all, it's their choice isn't it?

The more I think about it, the more I believe Congressmen are not worth more then minimum pay wage. They seem to lack loyalty to the people they represent, don't read bills and have to be instructed by lobbyists how to vote. Many also seem to be poorly educated.

Sounds quite unskilled to me.