Which is more of a threat to America, Radical Muslims or Radical Christians?

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

And because we can't be hit at home we shouldn't concertn ourselves.
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim males.
3. In 1972 a Pan Am 747 was hijacked and eventually diverted to Cairo where a fuse was lit on final approach, it was blown up shortly after landing by Muslim males.
4. In 1973 a Pan Am 707 was destroyed in Rome , with 33 people killed, when it was attacked with grenades by Muslim males.
5. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim males.
6. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim males.
7. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim males.
8. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim males.
9. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim males.
10. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim males.
11. In 1993 , the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim males.
12. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim males.
13. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim males.
14. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim males.
15. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and beheaded by---you guessed it---a Muslim male.
16. In 2013, Boston Marathon Bombing 4 Innocent people including a child killed, 264 injured by Muslim males.
I wonder wher England would be if they held such an opinion about France during your wars?

Hegelian dialectic will win out eventually. The solution is already in progress.

a reply to: randyvs

I'm going to play the quote mining game that you Christians love SOOO much.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Radical Christianity is the driving force behind the decisions to go to war with Muslim countries which causes Islamic terrorism to grow. You want proof? Why did the USA extend their crusades into Iraq if their original mandate was to topple the Taliban and capture Osama? What did Libya have to do with Osama or 911? Radical Christianity isn't cutting off heads with sword, it's carpet bombing the hell out of innocent civilians under the guise of defending your freedom. Only the law defends your freedom.

Neither is plausible. We have secular rule of law and most people are too educated to fall for a theocracy or a caliphate.

I suspect you haven't spent much time in the South talking to average people.They would be happy with that change,

IMO all religion is radical and harmful. When you get down to it they all:
1. Have a set of rules believers must follow stemming from unprovable events.
2. Implore followers of these rules to get non-believers and children to follow them (for their own good).
3. Cause followers to feel superior to non-believers, yet at the same time feel threatened by non-believers.
4. Have leaders whose power & wealth increase with more followers.

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken
Radical Christianity is the driving force behind the decisions to go to war with Muslim countries which causes Islamic terrorism to grow. You want proof? Why did the USA extend their crusades into Iraq if their original mandate was to topple the Taliban and capture Osama? What did Libya have to do with Osama or 911? Radical Christianity isn't cutting off heads with sword, it's carpet bombing the hell out of innocent civilians under the guise of defending your freedom. Only the law defends your freedom.

You may be right to some extent but "extending the crusades" is not proof of it. And really if its all about Christian nation against Muslim nation then why do the dang Muslims fight each other?

Lets face it folks who despise christians still expect them to roll over and are aggravated about the position of many of them. So we are having a which god is greater war or who sect is greater what else is new. Who was it the Ottomans that built a Mosque over the old temple grounds? Oh like thats not going to piss someone off.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Radical Jains!

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken
Radical Christianity is the driving force behind the decisions to go to war with Muslim countries which causes Islamic terrorism to grow. You want proof? Why did the USA extend their crusades into Iraq if their original mandate was to topple the Taliban and capture Osama? What did Libya have to do with Osama or 911? Radical Christianity isn't cutting off heads with sword, it's carpet bombing the hell out of innocent civilians under the guise of defending your freedom. Only the law defends your freedom.

You may be right to some extent but "extending the crusades" is not proof of it. And really if its all about Christian nation against Muslim nation then why do the dang Muslims fight each other?

Lets face it folks who despise christians still expect them to roll over and are aggravated about the position of many of them. So we are having a which god is greater war or who sect is greater what else is new. Who was it the Ottomans that built a Mosque over the old temple grounds? Oh like thats not going to piss someone off.

The Ottomans were toppled 100+ years ago after being in power since the 15th century. Not fair to drag them into a modern discussion. No didn't build a mosque over a church, they just converted the interior. It was the seat of power for Byzantium and they got rid of it. Makes perfect sense. Nothing compared to the Spanish Inquisition and the original 7 Crusades started by Europe, or what Christians have done to native people all over the world from Siberia to North America. Anywho that's off topic.

Muslims kill Muslims, that's a part of reality. Just like people shoot cops in the us. Or why Ukraine and Russia blow the hell out of each other. If you are talking about Shiites and Sunnis there are a lot of countries like Azerbaijan that are majority Shiite with peaceful minority Sunnis and vice versa, and still it doesn't give Christians a right to invade them to profit off their differences or to have a holier than thou outlook. So what if Muslims kill Muslims? Does that mean you should kill all the Muslims?

Well there arent any radical Muslims in elected positions so I would say radical Christians are way more dangerous.

a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

With all due respect the current wars pushed by the US have nothing to do with Christianity.

Even if some of our skull n bones member leaders might happen to use some twisted Christian sounding quote it is in no way related to what Jesus taught.

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
Hegelian dialectic will win out eventually. The solution is already in progress.

I am afraid you are dead on with that thought.

a reply to: stosh64

Exactly. They're not Christians. Doesn't anybody look at the history of these politicians, the groups they're part of and the people they associate with? They're not Christians, they're part of groups with different beliefs and agendas (of course the endgame is control, so the members are essentially slaves to the system, much like how we're slaves to their system).

Let's just say the people "in power" (servants) have their gods and the public has theirs.

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

With all due respect the current wars pushed by the US have nothing to do with Christianity.

Even if some of our skull n bones member leaders might happen to use some twisted Christian sounding quote it is in no way related to what Jesus taught.

I really appreciate your input. I know Jesus would not condone such belligerent policies, all targeted against one group of people. That is why I used the term radical Christianity. Christianism is a real problem just like Islamism.

a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

No he wouldn't. So you see why heartless puppets who follow orders are not Christians. They have no respect for life, freedom or people's beliefs. They don't worship Jesus, they don't believe in love and peace.

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: stosh64

Exactly. They're not Christians. Doesn't anybody look at the history of these politicians, the groups they're part of and the people they associate with? They're not Christians, they're part of groups with different beliefs and agendas (of course the endgame is control, so the members are essentially slaves to the system, much like how we're slaves to their system).

Let's just say the people "in power" (servants) have their gods and the public has theirs.

And they use their Christian conservative bases of power to mobilize and rally the masses to adopt a warlike mentality and thirst for more war. Despite what people are saying, how many wars did Bush and Obama create, using Islamic terrorism as an excuse? Terrorism exists in all societies. You have the Mexicans just below you beheading thousands of people on a MONTHLY basis as they run drugs and guns back and forth across the border. You have armed color coordinated gangs doing drive bys on civilians every day. Yet Islamic terrorism is the only issue worth bombing people for or trying to eliminate.

a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Because war is profit. And they wouldn't dare go after their very profitable drug trade south of our border. Theyr'e scared to man up and say we have problems with violent gangs because it would hurt people's feelings.

Sure there's a war against all religions. Funny how people fall into the trap even on ATS. "Christians are evil! Hateful! Against gays!!!" "Muslims behead people! Wahhh!"

So keep fighting instead of uniting, in the end all our heads will roll and it won't be in the name of any god.

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Because war is profit. And they wouldn't dare go after their very profitable drug trade south of our border. Theyr'e scared to man up and say we have problems with violent gangs because it would hurt people's feelings.

Sure there's a war against all religions. Funny how people fall into the trap even on ATS. "Christians are evil! Hateful! Against gays!!!" "Muslims behead people! Wahhh!"

So keep fighting instead of uniting, in the end all our heads will roll and it won't be in the name of any god.

Absolutely agree with you. I don't fault Christianity as a religion itself. Just like Islam and countless other religions being militarized over history and currently, it's because of selfish interests and the easiest way to mobilize people is by pandering to their religious side. If terrorism was indeed the sole focus of the western powers, then there would be concerted efforts in non Muslim countries where terrorism is prevalent, such as South America, Eastern Europe, etc.

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
a reply to: stosh64

Exactly. They're not Christians. Doesn't anybody look at the history of these politicians, the groups they're part of and the people they associate with? They're not Christians, they're part of groups with different beliefs and agendas (of course the endgame is control, so the members are essentially slaves to the system, much like how we're slaves to their system).

Let's just say the people "in power" (servants) have their gods and the public has theirs.

And they use their Christian conservative bases of power to mobilize and rally the masses to adopt a warlike mentality and thirst for more war. Despite what people are saying, how many wars did Bush and Obama create, using Islamic terrorism as an excuse? Terrorism exists in all societies. You have the Mexicans just below you beheading thousands of people on a MONTHLY basis as they run drugs and guns back and forth across the border. You have armed color coordinated gangs doing drive bys on civilians every day. Yet Islamic terrorism is the only issue worth bombing people for or trying to eliminate.

I believe the leaders, from both sides, as you pointed out, use the media that they control to brainwash the masses through endless controlled propaganda.
I don't believe it was the Christian base that pushed for these wars.
Look at the bi partisan support, although denied, it is a matter of record.
Both sides pushed for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The masses were propagandized into war through the control of MSM.

I am not saying that extremists of any belief aren't a problem.

But it was not a Christian led coalition that beat the drums of war. It was an elite driven agenda propagandized through the MSM. That many of us sheeple fell for.

Problem they have now is a lot of the sheeple are waking up. But I am afraid not enough.

a reply to: stosh64

Yeah both sides supported it as much as people from both sides voiced their contempt for going to war. When it comes to wars whoever's paying the most at the time determines who gets fired upon. Religion is a great way to unite people. It's also sadly a very useful tool to divide them.