Fast Political Test

originally posted by: ketsuko
What incentive is there to do any more than you must?

Why would you ever try to develop anything new? You get no recognition for it as your discovery is the property of the state, not you. You get nothing more to reward you than the same thing as the lab monkey who just jockeys test tubes in state tests all day.

There is no reason to produce.

We clearly don't have the same values to understand.
I heartily disagree with everything you said.

Oh and you can't even understand me at all, not an once. I didn't talk about Communism yet that's exactly what you are talking about. I never once talked about the state taking merits, I never talked about salaries.

All this time, I never talked about that you seem to be claiming that I am but...
If you can't find reason to work for society other than your own little selfish life than you just can't understand.

In fact you clearly understand nothing at all because you are arguing on things I never even mentioned in my posts.

a reply to: neo96

Giiiiiant yawn here...gawd. Words of the oblivious.
Don't try to understand liberals, your mind just doesn't see it, understand it, grasp it.

It's like ignorance backed by another ignorant.

Liberty is an biased utopian concept in the first place.

a reply to: theMediator

No, you basically want capitalism to fuel your socialist Utopia because you know enough to realize that pure socialism and communism don't work for precisely the reasons I described.

People are not worker ants or bees to completely subsume themselves into the community. People do work for themselves and their families. If I know I cannot get ahead by working hard, then there is no incentive to work hard. Who cares if hard work lifts society if none of that benefit will help my family? If my own situation and my family's cannot be alleviated, there is no incentive. So what if the state flourishes when my son starves because my state allowance does not allow us to eat well? This was the Soviet Union.

So instead, you want people to have the illusion they can get ahead so that the state can steal their property at will to fuel itself. After all, if the rat in the trap can just see the sweet air of freedom, it will run really hard to get there without actually making. You just want us all conned into thinking we can work hard enough to alleviate our situations for ourselves and our families through hard work, but all the while, you want the state to siphon off any benefits we might accrue in the form of taxes to distribute to others as it sees fit.

This is what the economy is headed for today, may even be there, and we can see it is not thriving.

But hey, I'm not the one advocating that state take food off my table and out of my son's mouth to go to the pet projects of your nanny state government.

I find the political compass to be a better quiz than this one. Even though I'm fully libertarian in this one.

209.20.70.21...

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

a reply to: sirlancelot

Hardcore Libertarian here.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: theMediator
So what if the state flourishes when my son starves because my state allowance does not allow us to eat well? This was the Soviet Union.

Okay, so you didn't like the Communism that the soviets used, well I don't either. It's sad that in peoples minds (thank you pro-capitalism propaganda)that Communism always has to come with poverity, no choices, conformity, no opportunity, not a parcel of individualism, corruption from the top. Like if these aspects we're part of the Communism plan in the first place.

No, that's just a failed attempt at Communism and we are failing with Capitalism.

In fact, just to say that Capitalism works when we look at the world it's absurd. But I try to keep an open mind (ahem) and think that maybe our Capitalism is a failed attempt too even if I believe that without restrictions, it will always end up in monopoly.

The first times we tried to fly like birds, we have failed and failed and failed. Some might have said that it was futile and a waste of time because others only failed before. Well look at us now.

Open up, stop thinking only in black and white.

a reply to: sirlancelot

LIbertarian

a reply to: neo96

Like SS,medicare,medicaid,food stamps, and education,healthcare that's all corporate welfare.

No, that's social welfare. Corporate welfare is tax-breaks and bailouts to corporations or businesses. A true free-market Capitalist would be against such, because it's Corporatism, not Capitalism.

a reply to: theMediator

Okay, so you didn't like the Communism that the soviets used, well I don't either. It's sad that in peoples minds (thank you pro-capitalism propaganda)that Communism always has to come with poverity, no choices, conformity, no opportunity, not a parcel of individualism, corruption from the top.

That's not the fault of Capitalism, that's the fault of Socialism/Communism and the refusal to recognize private property rights. (well, except for the Communists themselves)

a reply to: sirlancelot

The red dot for my results is precisely situated on the Left/Liberal label on the chart.

Liberals usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

It boggles my mind that people don't think like this. Guess it's the difference between "me, me, me", and "us, us, us".

For those of you who screech endlessly against Libs, READ the above. *eyeroll*

Sheesh. If you're going talk about this stuff, AT LEAST be aware of what the terms really mean.