Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

a reply to: SheopleNation

And if one day the UK government changed the laws that they have the right to keep and bear arms, and all they had to do would be to get a conceal and carry, then how many of them do you suppose would jump on that?

Tell us it's ingrained, but tell me how many would get a gun there if they could? You know they would. And funny thing, when they come here to live, they suddenly get gun licenses and buy guns. What's up with that?

Funny thing, isn't it. They spout it there but when they come here they get guns. Imagine that.

a reply to: WarminIndy

It would pretty much be all the people, that you would LEAST want to have them.
And i'm sure brits who live in countries where lots of people would have guns do get them. I can completely understand that if you live a society where guns are easily available, you would feel vulnerable if you didnt have.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: SheopleNation

About all I hear from you is more insults, yet nothing to back up your drivel. Did you forget what your friends said in that video, you know the ones who butchered that innocent Man that day? Here, let me help you out Mr. Proud Englishman.........

~$heopleNation

Just a couple questions, how does having a handgun or even an effing rpg, prevent you from being run over out of the blue with no warning whatsoever?

How does having a handgun prevent a bomb from blowing up in your face, when you have no clue that there is a bomb there?

The most funded military in the world couldnt stop a gang of saudi sheep herders, hiding in caves in Afghanistan from flying planes into the twin towers(apparently). So what makes you think a pea shooter will prevent a surprise attack of any sort?

Did handguns prevent the Boston Bombing?
Did they prevent the 1993 attack on the Twin Towers?
Did they stop the una-bomber blowing people up?
Did they prevent the Oklahoma bombing?

Seriously the argument is pretty flawed. But hey lets not let reality get in the way of an agenda.

The argument just doesnt fit reality.

So if something cannot prevent all potential issues, then it should be disregarded entirely? I don't think that is logical, IMHO.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: WarminIndy

It would pretty much be all the people, that you would LEAST want to have them.
And i'm sure brits who live in countries where lots of people would have guns do get them. I can completely understand that if you live a society where guns are easily available, you would feel vulnerable if you didnt have.

But I don't have a gun.

That's a hard argument to prove for those of us who do not have guns and really, of all the ATS members, those from the US on ATS that do have guns, really are a small minority. And it is to those you keep making the argument toward, not against.

The thing is, we don't have to have guns if we don't want to, you guys just assume it is so cultural that every thinks they must have guns, no, that is not it, we first and primarily have guns because we are allowed to, not because we think we must.

But in some instances, in some places, some people must, that's just how life is. I just happen to live where I don't fell that I must. But that's really where the assumptions come from. The statistics that there are as many guns as people, where do they get that idea?

If there were that many guns, then we would have the largest civilian police arrmy in the world, think about it.

originally posted by: WarminIndy


Tell us it's ingrained, but tell me how many would get a gun there if they could? You know they would. And funny thing, when they come here to live, they suddenly get gun licenses and buy guns. What's up with that?

Funny thing, isn't it. They spout it there but when they come here they get guns. Imagine that.

Thats quite a claim, do you have any supporting evidence for that claim, some of your sources so far have been beyond spurious, I doubt this would be any different.
Just claiming something doesnt make it true.

Im God.

See.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: SheopleNation

About all I hear from you is more insults, yet nothing to back up your drivel. Did you forget what your friends said in that video, you know the ones who butchered that innocent Man that day? Here, let me help you out Mr. Proud Englishman.........

~$heopleNation

Just a couple questions, how does having a handgun or even an effing rpg, prevent you from being run over out of the blue with no warning whatsoever?

How does having a handgun prevent a bomb from blowing up in your face, when you have no clue that there is a bomb there?

The most funded military in the world couldnt stop a gang of saudi sheep herders, hiding in caves in Afghanistan from flying planes into the twin towers(apparently). So what makes you think a pea shooter will prevent a surprise attack of any sort?

Did handguns prevent the Boston Bombing?
Did they prevent the 1993 attack on the Twin Towers?
Did they stop the una-bomber blowing people up?
Did they prevent the Oklahoma bombing?

Seriously the argument is pretty flawed. But hey lets not let reality get in the way of an agenda.

The argument just doesnt fit reality.

So if something cannot prevent all potential issues, then it should be disregarded entirely? I don't think that is logical, IMHO.

That is not at all what I said.
I was arguing against the premise that Lee Rigby having a gun would have prevented what happened to him.
I then went on to highlight that being armed as a citizen will not stop a terrorist who is determined to kill people.

That is all.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: WarminIndy


Tell us it's ingrained, but tell me how many would get a gun there if they could? You know they would. And funny thing, when they come here to live, they suddenly get gun licenses and buy guns. What's up with that?

Funny thing, isn't it. They spout it there but when they come here they get guns. Imagine that.

Thats quite a claim, do you have any supporting evidence for that claim, some of your sources so far have been beyond spurious, I doubt this would be any different.
Just claiming something doesnt make it true.

Im God.

See.

Excuse me, but just how do people in your country get guns anyway?

You know, I watched a TV show from there and in this episode of EastEnders, Michelle Fowler, Sharon Watts and that one guy were held in The Vic by a man with a shotgun. Michelle got shot so they took her to the hospital but had to not say anything because the guy knew how the other guy got the gun.

But that's TV, but there must be some basis in reality for that episode. Really, how do people in your country get guns?

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: WarminIndy


Tell us it's ingrained, but tell me how many would get a gun there if they could? You know they would. And funny thing, when they come here to live, they suddenly get gun licenses and buy guns. What's up with that?

Funny thing, isn't it. They spout it there but when they come here they get guns. Imagine that.

Thats quite a claim, do you have any supporting evidence for that claim, some of your sources so far have been beyond spurious, I doubt this would be any different.
Just claiming something doesnt make it true.

Im God.

See.

Excuse me, but just how do people in your country get guns anyway?

You know, I watched a TV show from there and in this episode of EastEnders, Michelle Fowler, Sharon Watts and that one guy were held in The Vic by a man with a shotgun. Michelle got shot so they took her to the hospital but had to not say anything because the guy knew how the other guy got the gun.

But that's TV, but there must be some basis in reality for that episode. Really, how do people in your country get guns?

Hang on, are you using Eastenders as a basis for anything in reality?
Legally you apply for a license. Illegally, you just have to know the right people, and there are plenty of those around.
Farmers are allowed to have shotguns to protect their livestock from predators.
My friend who lives in the countryside, used to have farmers firing warning shots at him for trespassing on private land.

Should I base my opinion of the USA on the tv series Dallas? Or maybe Knots Landing.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: WarminIndy


Tell us it's ingrained, but tell me how many would get a gun there if they could? You know they would. And funny thing, when they come here to live, they suddenly get gun licenses and buy guns. What's up with that?

Funny thing, isn't it. They spout it there but when they come here they get guns. Imagine that.

Thats quite a claim, do you have any supporting evidence for that claim, some of your sources so far have been beyond spurious, I doubt this would be any different.
Just claiming something doesnt make it true.

Im God.

See.

Excuse me, but just how do people in your country get guns anyway?

You know, I watched a TV show from there and in this episode of EastEnders, Michelle Fowler, Sharon Watts and that one guy were held in The Vic by a man with a shotgun. Michelle got shot so they took her to the hospital but had to not say anything because the guy knew how the other guy got the gun.

But that's TV, but there must be some basis in reality for that episode. Really, how do people in your country get guns?

Hang on, are you using Eastenders as a basis for anything in reality?
Legally you apply for a license. Illegally, you just have to know the right people, and there are plenty of those around.
Farmers are allowed to have shotguns to protect their livestock from predators.
My friend who lives in the countryside, used to have farmers firing warning shots at him for trespassing on private land.

Should I base my opinion of the USA on the tv series Dallas? Or maybe Knots Landing.

And a weapon is a weapon. And here, that farmer can't wave his shotgun around to warn anyone, that's illegal here.

Hold a second, are you guys implying there is a difference in handguns or shotguns when it comes to usage? Is that my imagination?

a reply to: WarminIndy

It's illegal here too.
My school used to have an armoury, I used to go to the schools shooting range every Friday. I got my first class workmanship badge at school through the cadet force.
This was 20 odd years ago, don't know if they still do.it now.

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: WarminIndy


Tell us it's ingrained, but tell me how many would get a gun there if they could? You know they would. And funny thing, when they come here to live, they suddenly get gun licenses and buy guns. What's up with that?

Funny thing, isn't it. They spout it there but when they come here they get guns. Imagine that.

Thats quite a claim, do you have any supporting evidence for that claim, some of your sources so far have been beyond spurious, I doubt this would be any different.
Just claiming something doesnt make it true.

Im God.

See.

Excuse me, but just how do people in your country get guns anyway?

You know, I watched a TV show from there and in this episode of EastEnders, Michelle Fowler, Sharon Watts and that one guy were held in The Vic by a man with a shotgun. Michelle got shot so they took her to the hospital but had to not say anything because the guy knew how the other guy got the gun.

But that's TV, but there must be some basis in reality for that episode. Really, how do people in your country get guns?

Hang on, are you using Eastenders as a basis for anything in reality?
Legally you apply for a license. Illegally, you just have to know the right people, and there are plenty of those around.
Farmers are allowed to have shotguns to protect their livestock from predators.
My friend who lives in the countryside, used to have farmers firing warning shots at him for trespassing on private land.

Should I base my opinion of the USA on the tv series Dallas? Or maybe Knots Landing.

And a weapon is a weapon. And here, that farmer can't wave his shotgun around to warn anyone, that's illegal here.

Hold a second, are you guys implying there is a difference in handguns or shotguns when it comes to usage? Is that my imagination?

Shotguns have always been the easiest of guns to get here in the UK, simply because so many farmers own them.
For bank robbers in the past the sawn off shotgun was par for the course.
Guns are much more widely available nowadays though. I have seen two guns myself.
A sawn off shotgun and a luger.

a reply to: WarminIndy

I firmly believe there is a difference in usage. Handguns are treated entirely differently to rifles in the UK. It's why some of our Olympics shooting teams have to train outside of the country.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: WarminIndy

I firmly believe there is a difference in usage. Handguns are treated entirely differently to rifles in the UK. It's why some of our Olympics shooting teams have to train outside of the country.

Yes I think that is correct.

I have always been into air rifles and airsoft, used to go to gun shops regularly, handguns are still widely available though.
Just need that license.
I dont think my criminal record would allow me to go shooting for sport, as much as Id like to.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: WarminIndy

I firmly believe there is a difference in usage. Handguns are treated entirely differently to rifles in the UK. It's why some of our Olympics shooting teams have to train outside of the country.

A weapon is a weapon, you just gave me examples.

There is no difference, really. If you use a sawed off shotgun for the purpose of robbing a bank, then it's the same as using a handgun. Same premise.

So how does that work out for you? Just because you have less handguns, you still have rifles and shotguns that can be obtained easily. And correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a Lugar a handgun?

a reply to: WarminIndy

But it's much harder to hide a rifle in your pocket. To me handguns have one purpose which is to kill people.
I don't have great understanding of gun licencing in the UK I did believe hand guns could only be kept on the premises of a gun club, but it sounds like I'm wrong on that.

A quick look on the met website says handguns are illegal within England unless they are muzzle loading, that doesn't mean much to me I'm afraid.

originally posted by: WarminIndy And correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a Lugar a handgun?

Who said anything about either of them being legal.
When you are born into the bottom of society, you get to meet all the bottom feeders on the way up.
I have had an eventful life, its taught me a lot.

originally posted by: WilsonWilson
a reply to: WarminIndy

But it's much harder to hide a rifle in your pocket. To me handguns have one purpose which is to kill people.
I don't have great understanding of gun licencing in the UK I did believe hand guns could only be kept on the premises of a gun club, but it sounds like I'm wrong on that.

A quick look on the met website says handguns are illegal within England unless they are muzzle loading, that doesn't mean much to me I'm afraid.

A weapon is a weapon.

Regardless if they can be hid or not, a weapon is a weapon.

What would you say if you saw gangs of thugs with shotguns in downtown London? Would you say "oh those kids, they're hunting geese"?

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: WarminIndy And correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a Lugar a handgun?

Who said anything about either of them being legal.
When you are born into the bottom of society, you get to meet all the bottom feeders on the way up.
I have had an eventful life, its taught me a lot.

But a Luger is a handgun, is it not?

The OP is from a Brit complaining about a Jewish rabbi that said Jews should arm themselves. But you just told me about sawed off shotguns and rifles being used in bank robberies and a farmer friend waving one around and the use of Lugers.

What am I missing here,,,let's see, tougher gun laws but still, bank robberies, waving them around to warn people with and Lugers.

Nope, got it all. Your tougher gun laws are not going to prevent a mass shooting one day of someone from a bell tower, it will happen, tough gun laws or not, culture or not. It will happen. Why? Because people don't care about gun laws.

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: WarminIndy And correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a Lugar a handgun?

Who said anything about either of them being legal.
When you are born into the bottom of society, you get to meet all the bottom feeders on the way up.
I have had an eventful life, its taught me a lot.

But a Luger is a handgun, is it not?

The OP is from a Brit complaining about a Jewish rabbi that said Jews should arm themselves. But you just told me about sawed off shotguns and rifles being used in bank robberies and a farmer friend waving one around and the use of Lugers.

What am I missing here,,,let's see, tougher gun laws but still, bank robberies, waving them around to warn people with and Lugers.

Nope, got it all. Your tougher gun laws are not going to prevent a mass shooting one day of someone from a bell tower, it will happen, tough gun laws or not, culture or not. It will happen. Why? Because people don't care about gun laws.

Criminals dont care about any laws.

There is a difference between knowing where to get a gun and getting one, and going to the local supermarket to buy an AK47 with armour piercing rounds.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Gangs of kids carrying.g shotguns in London would be dealt with by armed response units. That the wholepoint, they could all have handguns and you wouldn't know until somebody is dead.